RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff.

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DesideriScuri -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 2:50:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Were you going to answer my question? So this op link may be put under the heading of bullshit, a site that post half truths and whole lies? You can put anything under any heading you like, thompson. Free (relatively) country.

mnottertail -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 2:51:10 PM)
So, so far the teabaggers are at 100% lies for the last 12 years.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 2:54:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail So, so far the teabaggers are at 100% lies for the last 12 years. Citation? [8D]

thompsonx -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 2:54:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Were you going to answer my question? So this op link may be put under the heading of bullshit, a site that post half truths and whole lies? You can put anything under any heading you like, thompson. Free (relatively) country. All I am asking is if you think that cite is a valid source or is it filled with half truths and whole lies?

mnottertail -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 2:55:50 PM)
quote: Fact is, obamacare cut reimbursements. Do you need some remedial English, or do you have a citation for this. My citation is 100% correct.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 3:05:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Were you going to answer my question? So this op link may be put under the heading of bullshit, a site that post half truths and whole lies? You can put anything under any heading you like, thompson. Free (relatively) country. All I am asking is if you think that cite is a valid source or is it filled with half truths and whole lies? I have answered the question to the extent I'm going to answer it, thompson. If that's not enough for you, well, you're going to have to accept it for what it is.

thompsonx -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 3:41:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx Were you going to answer my question? So this op link may be put under the heading of bullshit, a site that post half truths and whole lies? You can put anything under any heading you like, thompson. Free (relatively) country. All I am asking is if you think that cite is a valid source or is it filled with half truths and whole lies? I have answered the question to the extent I'm going to answer it, thompson. If that's not enough for you, well, you're going to have to accept it for what it is. Well now aint that the rub. Why is it when asked a simple question like whether some site is reliable I get. I have answered the question to the extent I'm going to answer it, thompson. If that's not enough for you, well, you're going to have to accept it for what it is. Please show me where it has been answered at all? Yet the continued whine about the lying messenger should be listened to. Why is it so hard to actually take a position. What I support: A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution When asked what the enumerated powers are= refuse to answer Personal Responsibility Korporations are a mechanism for avoiding personal responsibility yet no call for their disolution. Help for the truly needy Yet no criteria for establishing what constitutes "truly needy". This allows one to act benelovent without actually giving a fuck. Limited Government Yet in favor of govt subsides to korporate amerika Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt) A regressive tax(if that term is unknown try google)

DesideriScuri -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 3:54:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution When asked what the enumerated powers are= refuse to answer I KNEW you knew where they were. You were just playing coy. Awwww, how cute. quote: Personal Responsibility Korporations are a mechanism for avoiding personal responsibility yet no call for their disolution. Being able to incorporate protects people's investments and has allowed people to take great risk while still protecting themselves from "catastrophic" loss. I fail to believe all Corporations are malevolent. quote: Help for the truly needy Yet no criteria for establishing what constitutes "truly needy". This allows one to act benelovent without actually giving a fuck. There is a limit to how many characters you can have in a sig line. Cuts had to be made. quote: Limited Government Yet in favor of govt subsides to korporate amerika Subsidies? Nope. Tax Relief? Yes, to an extent. quote: Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt) A regressive tax(if that term is unknown try google) Not really. Those with more money will tend to spend more, and, thus, pay more taxes.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 5:12:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux During the run-up to the health law, Obama frequently touted the Cleveland Clinic as a model for the health system: “They actually provide great care cheaper than average,” he repeated at an October 2012 debate with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney. But as full implementation approaches on Jan. 1, 2014, clinic leaders say the government — through Obamacare’s cuts in hospital payments, Ohio’s refusal to expand Medicaid and sequestration — is removing significant funding from the health system very quickly. And last week, the clinic announced it was cutting $300 million from its budget and laying off workers. “We know we’re going to get paid significantly less,” said Dr. Delos Cosgrove, the CEO and president. “This is not just Cleveland Clinic. This is every CEO that I’ve talked with across the country.” Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/obamacare-one-blow-after-another-97231_Page3.html#ixzz2fsYBPgfs Cleveland Clinic, one of the world's best heart medicine locations, has innovated for the last 7 years to the point where they're one of the most singularly profitable medical agencies in North America. You can do your own homework but...something tells me they'll hit their numbers next year.

Politesub53 -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 5:31:26 PM)
The title of the thread is hardly the view taken by Cleveland Clinics. Even FoxNews admitted hyping the story. I know how some of you claim to love facts, so here is another one. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/25/foxs-shoddy-reporting-on-cleveland-clinic-and-o/196066

thompsonx -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 5:58:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/09/23/aca-family-glitch-issues/2804017/ Old spin: If you oppose ObamaCare it’s because you want kids to die! New spin: Hey, what’s a half-million kids in the scheme of things? That was pretty much what mussolini said and pretty much what smedly butler took him to task for, which in turn got president hoover's knickers in a twist and had butler arrested and confined to quarters. All because he (butler)thought it was pretty low rent to kill a kid and then dismiss it as if it were nothing.

thompsonx -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 6:05:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution When asked what the enumerated powers are= refuse to answer I KNEW you knew where they were. You were just playing coy. Awwww, how cute. This is a pathetic attempt at discussion.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 6:11:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution When asked what the enumerated powers are= refuse to answer I KNEW you knew where they were. You were just playing coy. Awwww, how cute. This is a pathetic attempt at discussion. There is no discussion. You know where they are listed. I know you know where they are listed. You are simply being difficult, so I'm responding along the same vein.

thompsonx -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 6:17:38 PM)
quote: Personal Responsibility Korporations are a mechanism for avoiding personal responsibility yet no call for their disolution. Being able to incorporate protects people's investments Then there is no risk is there. Why is it the government's job to protect the investments of private capital? If someone makes a defective product that injures or kills someone why should they not be responsible as you claim is one of the things you believe in? and has allowed people to take great risk while still protecting themselves from "catastrophic" loss. If they are protected there is no risk. I fail to believe all Corporations are malevolent. Well now ain't that just fucking sweet...the ability to disagree with something I did not say. Really, that shit belongs in a ninth grade debate class.

thompsonx -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 6:20:12 PM)
quote: Limited Government Yet in favor of govt subsides to korporate amerika Subsidies? Nope. Tax Relief? Yes, to an extent. shit by any other name still smells the same.

thompsonx -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 6:22:20 PM)
quote: Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt) A regressive tax(if that term is unknown try google) Not really. Those with more money will tend to spend more, and, thus, pay more taxes. Have you got a credible cite for this moronic bullshit?

thompsonx -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 6:25:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution When asked what the enumerated powers are= refuse to answer I KNEW you knew where they were. You were just playing coy. Awwww, how cute. This is a pathetic attempt at discussion. I know you know where they are listed. Mind reader?[8\|]

DesideriScuri -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 6:30:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: Personal Responsibility Korporations are a mechanism for avoiding personal responsibility yet no call for their disolution. Being able to incorporate protects people's investments Then there is no risk is there. Why is it the government's job to protect the investments of private capital? If someone makes a defective product that injures or kills someone why should they not be responsible as you claim is one of the things you believe in? and has allowed people to take great risk while still protecting themselves from "catastrophic" loss. If they are protected there is no risk. I fail to believe all Corporations are malevolent. Well now ain't that just fucking sweet...the ability to disagree with something I did not say. Really, that shit belongs in a ninth grade debate class. I'm allowed to say thing other than in rebuttal to you. You ~~fail to see~~ ignore the risks being undertaken. And, that's perfectly fine. You aren't even attempting to discuss anything. So, be well, thompson.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 6:31:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution When asked what the enumerated powers are= refuse to answer I KNEW you knew where they were. You were just playing coy. Awwww, how cute. This is a pathetic attempt at discussion. I know you know where they are listed. Mind reader?[8\|] Don't need to be. You've already pointed out that you know where they are. I'm not a mind reader, but I am a reader. Be well, thompson.

thompsonx -> RE: Cleveland Clinic Cutting 300 million - due to obamacare, &ff. (9/25/2013 6:32:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution When asked what the enumerated powers are= refuse to answer I KNEW you knew where they were. You were just playing coy. Awwww, how cute. This is a pathetic attempt at discussion. There is no discussion. You know where they are listed. I know you know where they are listed. You are simply being difficult, so I'm responding along the same vein. To claim to want to have a discussion about the "enumerated powers" but refuse to state what one thinks the "enumerated powers" are is prima facia evience of a pathetic (non)attempt at discussion. The claim is that the govt should abide by these rules but there is a failure to mention what the rules are. When questioned as to what the rules are I am told I already know... Yes that would seem a pretty apt description of a pathetic (non)attempt at discussion.

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