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Nosathro -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 12:23:57 PM)
[sm=lame.gif] Well one thing is for sure Jerry's job is not threatened. I also don't think the Zombies are coming here anytime soon.

KYsissy -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 12:25:30 PM)
Or you could go straight to the source and it is pretty clear what those numbers represent. http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx

Kirata -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 12:35:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KYsissy Or you could go straight to the source and it is pretty clear what those numbers represent. http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx Interestingly, those number don't appear to match the ones Nosathro linked. Also interesting is the fact that there are no links provided for the alleged "sources" cited under the page's "Verification" header. K.

Kirata -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 12:37:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro I also don't think the Zombies are coming here anytime soon. I think one's already here. K.

KYsissy -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 12:41:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: KYsissy Or you could go straight to the source and it is pretty clear what those numbers represent. http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx Interestingly, those number don't appear to match the ones Nosathro linked. Also interesting is the fact that there are no links provided for the alleged "sources" cited under the page's "Verification" header. K. I just went off the header that said "gallup inc, gun owners of america" and googled.

Kirata -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 12:48:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KYsissy I just went off the header that said "gallup inc, gun owners of america" and googled. Good move. K.

Just0Us0Two -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 1:35:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro quote: ORIGINAL: Just0Us0Two quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Since this is suppose to be about the 2nd Amendment here is something interesting. http://www.theonlinerocket.com/news/2013/09/26/second-amendment-often-misrepresented/ And I did not write this article. As I pointed out in my last post you can find a link to "prove" anything. I also find it amusing that this supposed expert has a glaring error in the 3rd paragraph. "For example one can own military style weapons, but cannot own a machine gun." I was going to say that perhaps he can't get a machinegun, depending on what state he lives in, but he lives in PA. The Federal government hasn't made MGs illegal, just costly and requiring a specific permit. I know for a fact that PA allows class 3 firearms, including belt-fed MGs. I've seen plenty of MGs for sale, all it takes is an application, a squeaky clean record, time, and money. I haven't read the rest of the article yet. When someone gets something that simple wrong right at the beginning, I tend to lack faith in the rest of what they have to say. Maybe I'll finish it later. You know what is interesting 42% of the gun owners in the US have a High School diploma or less. http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/ Huh, you're right, that is interesting. Do you happen to have any statistics on the percentage of pompous jack-asses living in California? What I also find interesting, is that just two posts back you mentioned "not arguing the facts". Then when we hit the "fact" that the link you posted was written by someone who clearly doesn't know what he's talking about, you resort to demeaning gun owners. So it's only others that have to argue the facts?

BitYakin -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 1:35:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Look at the data without prejudicial blinders and it's quite clear . Why are you saying that to me instead of BitYakin? My interpretation of the figures was the same as yours. You're bright enough to have been able to spot it immediately. So you were saying that was in fact BitYakin who had prejudicial blinders? Aye He should have known better than to take a nosathro post and its interpretation at face value.[8D] you are correct, I didn't even look at the chart, I accepted that he'd have something as basic as THAT correct! but BASED on what he said when he posted that link my math is correct, maybe peon, you should have been telling HIM how wrong he go it! and NO I did not have prejudical blinders, I just assumed his interprtation of the data was CORRECT GEEZZZ jump my ass cause HE got it wrong?

Just0Us0Two -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 1:42:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro You know what is interesting 42% of the gun owners in the US have a High School diploma or less. http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/ quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin WOW who'd have thought the percentage of people who own guns education level pretty much MATCHES the education level for the WHOLE COUNTRY Actually, I could be wrong but the statistic in the link looks like it means that 42% of those who have a 'High School Education or Less' own a gun. The higher the level of education a person has, the lower the likelihood of his/her owning a gun. A good friend of mine has a Comp Sci degree, his wife has a Masters. Between the two of them, they own about 40 guns of various types. Boy, they just skew the hell out of that scale.

PeonForHer -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 1:47:51 PM)
quote: you are correct, I didn't even look at the chart, I accepted that he'd have something as basic as THAT correct! BY, the gun debate is a political debate. People should look at the original facts where possible, I would suggest.

BitYakin -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 2:02:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: you are correct, I didn't even look at the chart, I accepted that he'd have something as basic as THAT correct! BY, the gun debate is a political debate. People should look at the original facts where possible, I would suggest. yes yes I should have gone an looked at the link myself, still no reason to say I am prejudiced or blind! if you had pointed out that nos misinterpeted the data from the beginning I MIGHT have conceded the point right away!

PeonForHer -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 4:29:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: you are correct, I didn't even look at the chart, I accepted that he'd have something as basic as THAT correct! BY, the gun debate is a political debate. People should look at the original facts where possible, I would suggest. yes yes I should have gone an looked at the link myself, still no reason to say I am prejudiced or blind! if you had pointed out that nos misinterpeted the data from the beginning I MIGHT have conceded the point right away! Sorry.

Politesub53 -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 5:20:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Of course you can be appalled, what I am saying is that when you have murder rate of 1.1% and pass strict gun laws which bring your murder rate down to 1% at a time when rates are dropping throughout the western world it doesn't really have that much bearing on the effects of gun control. You said that the only people who mention UK crime on their sites are gun owners implying that that was enough to prove their unreliability. So you think we should have very strict gun control that doesn't count for the hicks? After all you have pointed out that if we would just adopted UK rules self defense wouldn't be an acceptable reason to own a firearm. We passed stricter gun controls on handguns after a mass killing in a school....... We havent had one since, so go figure. Self defense alone wouldnt be a reason, whats wrong with that ? Your murder rate is also dropping so why do I keep hearing more people should be armed ? Sorry to stress you out by posting facts. Why would everyone in a rural area be a hick, that seems very arrogant.

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 5:30:42 PM)
Self defense alone wouldnt be a reason, whats wrong with that ? Then how could you say they should be allowed to have one to defend themselves.

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 5:33:01 PM)
We passed stricter gun controls on handguns after a mass killing in a school....... We havent had one since, so go figure. And by your word you can count the number you have had in the last century on one hand so odds are you wouldn't have had one anyway,

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 5:34:41 PM)
Why would everyone in a rural area be a hick, that seems very arrogant. I live in a rural area so wrong again.

Nosathro -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 8:43:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: KYsissy Or you could go straight to the source and it is pretty clear what those numbers represent. http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx Interestingly, those number don't appear to match the ones Nosathro linked. Also interesting is the fact that there are no links provided for the alleged "sources" cited under the page's "Verification" header. K. First of all you have to look at the data, which you more than likely didn't. In the Gallup Poll it said "No College" 40% where at the chart on my post states "High School Graduate or less 42%. Actually looking at it with only a 2% difference statistical error would be a consideration. In fact in comparing the two both show like results. Also remember the Gallup poll was "self report" so there was no verification as to who was telling the truth or not. You should really try and bottle your ranting. You make a fortune selling it as a cure for insomnia. Jack Nicholson was right "You can't handle the truth" and that applies to a lot people here.

BamaD -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 8:48:15 PM)
there was no verification as to who was telling the truth or not. So the survey is useless.

Kirata -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/12/2013 9:16:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro In fact in comparing the two both show like results. Sure they do. Anybody can see that... http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/ http://www.gallup.com/poll/150353/self-reported-gun-ownership-highest-1993.aspx quote: ORIGINAL: Nosathro Jack Nicholson was right "You can't handle the truth" and that applies to a lot people here. Aww c'mon, we're just foolin with ya. K.

Politesub53 -> RE: *Unmoderated Gun rights debate - Self Defense to 2nd Amendment * (10/13/2013 4:11:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Self defense alone wouldnt be a reason, whats wrong with that ? Then how could you say they should be allowed to have one to defend themselves. Its like comparing chalk and cheese. We have few really dangerous animals, even in rural areas, and even fewer armed criminals. Ironically, and I dont want to get stuck on a debate about Obamacare on this thread, our biggest killer is still poor health.

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