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Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 6:30:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its previous report, in 2007, was so grotesquely flawed that the leading scientific body in the United States, the InterAcademy Council, decided that an investigation was warranted. The IAC duly reported in 2010, and concluded that there were “significant shortcomings in each major step of [the] IPCC’s assessment process”, and that “significant improvements” were needed. It also chastised the IPCC for claiming to have “high confidence in some statements for which there is little evidence”.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 6:39:52 PM   
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The IAC duly reported in 2010

Emphasis mine.

Any special reason why you're bringing up a three-year-old story?

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 7:11:21 PM   
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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 7:34:32 PM   
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Its previous report, in 2007, was so grotesquely flawed that the leading scientific body in the United States, the InterAcademy Council, decided that an investigation was warranted. The IAC duly reported in 2010, and concluded that there were “significant shortcomings in each major step of [the] IPCC’s assessment process”, and that “significant improvements” were needed. It also chastised the IPCC for claiming to have “high confidence in some statements for which there is little evidence”.

Wiki on interacademy:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterAcademy_Panel

The leading? More bullshit.

If there is a leading scientific organization in the US it is National Academy of Sciences which is a group every working scientist and serious lay person has heard of and whose publication, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), is one of the most important scientific journals in existence.

To be blunt the group you quote is not anyone I've ever heard of and I'm an avid amateur. Looking into the group it is not even actually a US organization. It is a global network of national academies and the report that was claimed to so scathing of the science wasn't. It was actually a complaint about the organization of the executive of the IPCC.
From their own website and their own press release on the report
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The process used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to produce its periodic assessment reports has been successful overall, but IPCC needs to fundamentally reform its management structure and strengthen its procedures to handle ever larger and increasingly complex climate assessments as well as the more intense public scrutiny coming from a world grappling with how best to respond to climate change,

http://reviewipcc.interacademycouncil.net/ReportNewsRelease.html
So as usual another climate denial lie.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 9:08:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		106 national science academies conclude “significant shortcomings in each major step of [the] IPCC’s assessment process”, and that “significant improvements” were needed.

And yet somehow all scientists agree with global warming. um. No.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 9:16:45 PM   
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The IAC duly reported in 2010

Emphasis mine.

Any special reason why you're bringing up a three-year-old story?


Lets see.. the last global warming was 16 years ago.
This story is from 3 years ago.

Yet you you decry the propinquity of the 3 year story. Ironic.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 9:19:01 PM   
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Its previous report, in 2007, was so grotesquely flawed that the leading scientific body in the United States, the InterAcademy Council, decided that an investigation was warranted. The IAC duly reported in 2010, and concluded that there were “significant shortcomings in each major step of [the] IPCC’s assessment process”, and that “significant improvements” were needed. It also chastised the IPCC for claiming to have “high confidence in some statements for which there is little evidence”.

Wiki on interacademy:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InterAcademy_Panel


The IAC speaking on itself.


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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 9:26:35 PM   
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106 national science academies conclude “significant shortcomings in each major step of [the] IPCC’s assessment process”, and that “significant improvements” were needed.

And yet somehow all scientists agree with global warming. um. No.

The bolded quote does not appear anywhere in the report.
http://reviewipcc.interacademycouncil.net/report.html

So yet another lie.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 9:31:37 PM   
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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 9:51:09 PM   
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106 national science academies conclude “significant shortcomings in each major step of [the] IPCC’s assessment process”, and that “significant improvements” were needed.

And yet somehow all scientists agree with global warming. um. No.

The bolded quote does not appear anywhere in the report.
http://reviewipcc.interacademycouncil.net/report.html

So yet another lie.

This chapter identifies and recommends ways to address the most significant shortcomings in each major step of IPCC’s assessment process...

Review of the processes and procedures of the IPCC, Chapter 2, page 13

Note: The Introductory sections are paged in Roman. Page 13 of the body of the report falls on page 31 of the PDF file.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 10:07:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

106 national science academies conclude “significant shortcomings in each major step of [the] IPCC’s assessment process”, and that “significant improvements” were needed.

And yet somehow all scientists agree with global warming. um. No.

The bolded quote does not appear anywhere in the report.
http://reviewipcc.interacademycouncil.net/report.html

So yet another lie.

This chapter identifies and recommends ways to address the most significant shortcomings in each major step of IPCC’s assessment process...

Review of the processes and procedures of the IPCC, Chapter 2, page 13

K.

That does not seem to be a conclusion nor does it conclude anything. Although thanks for walking into that fairly obvious trap.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 10:33:24 PM   
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This chapter identifies and recommends ways to address the most significant shortcomings in each major step of IPCC’s assessment process...

Review of the processes and procedures of the IPCC, Chapter 2, page 13

That does not seem to be a conclusion nor does it conclude anything. Although thanks for walking into that fairly obvious trap.


Well I see things differently, Ken.

I think it's safe to say that the authors of a chapter identifying "significant shortcomings in each major step of IPCC’s assessment process" have concluded that such shortcomings exist, and it seems also safe to say the citation proves that some people just make shit up as they go along.

Aside from that, you're welcome.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 11:04:35 PM   
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This chapter identifies and recommends ways to address the most significant shortcomings in each major step of IPCC’s assessment process...

Review of the processes and procedures of the IPCC, Chapter 2, page 13

That does not seem to be a conclusion nor does it conclude anything. Although thanks for walking into that fairly obvious trap.


Well I see things differently, Ken.

I think it's safe to say that the authors of a chapter identifying "significant shortcomings in each major step of IPCC’s assessment process" have concluded that such shortcomings exist, and it seems also safe to say the citation proves that some people just make shit up as they go along.

Aside from that, you're welcome.

K.

Too bad. The fact is the claim is those are the conclusions of the report and it is not. The conclusion is on page 57 and makes clear this report is simply a critique of the IPCC's management structure and has nothing to do with the science and no where does the report say it has found errors in any of the IPCC reports science which is the claim being pushed with the out of context quotes. The practice is called quote mining and is quite common amongst anti science types.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/29/2013 11:46:56 PM   
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Too bad. The fact is the claim is those are the conclusions of the report and it is not. The conclusion is on page 57 and makes clear this report is simply a critique of the IPCC's management structure and has nothing to do with the science and no where does the report say it has found errors in any of the IPCC reports science which is the claim being pushed with the out of context quotes. The practice is called quote mining and is quite common amongst anti science types.

Actually, it rips the IPCC a new one from top to bottom, noting among other thing a tendency to report "high confidence in some statements for which there is little evidence," the dismissing of alternative views when "the Lead Authors do not agree with them," the cleansing of "references with different conclusions," and the fact that "many of the conclusions... are based on unpublished or non-peer reviewed literature."

And on page 57 (since you like that one so much) we find the following conclusion and recommendation:

IPCC’s management and governance structure is not as effective as necessary ... it is important for all involved to act with transparency and integrity and to abide by appropriate codes of conduct.

Rather obviously, I should think, there would be no reason for this conclusion and recommendation if all involved were already acting with transparency and integrity and abiding by appropriate codes of conduct. Not to put too fine a point on it:

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There isn't enough lipstick in the world for this pig. Get over it.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/30/2013 12:09:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Bullshit. This is a report on the process and structure of the IPCC nothing about the science. If you read it rather than cherry picking you will see that very clearly. As to the transparency and integrity quote no where does it say that isn't already the case the report is about making it seem so to the dumbass rubes being taken in by the deniers. Since absolutely nothing the IPCC can do can counteract the many millions of dollars being spent to smear them the report was ignored just as it should have been.

And injecting a crackpot with a pet "theory" is not convincing to anyone who actually knows the science.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/30/2013 12:39:28 AM   
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As to the transparency and integrity quote no where does it say that isn't already the case the report is about making it seem so to the dumbass rubes being taken in by the deniers.

Oh okay, here we go. Back to the name-calling. This time it's dumbasses, rubes, and deniers. Meanwhile, it remains one science's unsolved mysteries how something with a head so big can live under a rock so small.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/30/2013 12:58:25 AM   
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It's always a shame when I see people who have been caught in the nonsense that the vast vested interest in denying climate change brings to bear on this topic.

My sincere advice to anyone looking at this topic is to first try to understand the process of "science". Very few scientists claim to know for certain the extent of the human influence on climate change, they go so far as to publish the level of their confidence.

It's really important that the data, the models, the assumptions and theories that are applied to climate change be vigorously and rigorously challenged.

But if a person cares for science they'd do a little of their own research before believing what they read, and the very widely held consensus is that climate change is happening, and that human behaviour is having an impact.

There are important debates to be had about the extent of that influence, and what might be done about it, and contrarian research has done a great job in helping climate scientists improve the data, models, and assumptions.

To the extent that, despite massive pressure from vested interests (and governments) the IPCC is more certain of its findings in this report than ever before.

That'll be "science".

And yep, I have a real problem with people who blindly deny climate change, firstly because they usually bring up shit culled from a denial website that is out of date, and second ... well fuck... it's such an anti-science stance that I feel sorry for them.

This is serious shit. The more we learn about climate change the better prepared we'll be, any research needs to be challenged and tested and anyone with a fucking ounce of common sense would step back from the process and try to understand where the consensus is going


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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/30/2013 1:32:31 AM   
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It's always a shame when I see people who have been caught in the nonsense that the vast vested interest in denying climate change brings to bear on this topic.

My sincere advice to anyone looking at this topic is to first try to understand the process of "science". Very few scientists claim to know for certain the extent of the human influence on climate change, they go so far as to publish the level of their confidence.

It's really important that the data, the models, the assumptions and theories that are applied to climate change be vigorously and rigorously challenged.

But if a person cares for science they'd do a little of their own research before believing what they read, and the very widely held consensus is that climate change is happening, and that human behaviour is having an impact.

There are important debates to be had about the extent of that influence, and what might be done about it, and contrarian research has done a great job in helping climate scientists improve the data, models, and assumptions.

To the extent that, despite massive pressure from vested interests (and governments) the IPCC is more certain of its findings in this report than ever before.

That'll be "science".

And yep, I have a real problem with people who blindly deny climate change, firstly because they usually bring up shit culled from a denial website that is out of date, and second ... well fuck... it's such an anti-science stance that I feel sorry for them.

This is serious shit. The more we learn about climate change the better prepared we'll be, any research needs to be challenged and tested and anyone with a fucking ounce of common sense would step back from the process and try to understand where the consensus is going


The fundamental problem is not the science, that was settled long since, and most of the "disagreements" that the deniers shout about are over the last decimal place of the conclusions or the fine detail of which area will get more rain or less.

The problem is that the politics (which is what will save or sink us in the end) is being driven by people who think that science is an extension of the debating society, and truth is whatever you can convince the most voters it is. The survival of civilisation depends on people who would pass a law declaring that Pi equals 3.000 if they thought there were votes or money in it.


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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/30/2013 1:41:20 AM   
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As to the transparency and integrity quote no where does it say that isn't already the case the report is about making it seem so to the dumbass rubes being taken in by the deniers.

Oh okay, here we go. Back to the name-calling. This time it's dumbasses, rubes, and deniers. Meanwhile, it remains one science's unsolved mysteries how something with a head so big can live under a rock so small.

K.

So glad to see you're not descending to name-calling yourself.

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RE: Interacademy finds errors in IPCC - 9/30/2013 3:09:07 AM   
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Yes, I apologise...
I have no time to post all my issues with the body of the post. SO I will be doing the sensible thing and not posting on these interminable threads.

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