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joether -> RE: Cavuto has a good monologue on Obamacare (9/30/2013 3:38:19 PM)
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Defunding Obamacare is the first step in getting it repealed.
No its not. Do you really understand what defunding the Affordable Care Act would do to the law? From a non-economical level.....nothing. Tomorrow, the health care exchanges open across the nation. On Jan. 1, 2014 additional effects take place. This is all explained in the law; go read it!
From an economical level it does a HUGE amount of damage to ordinary citizens. Part of the funding reduces the cost of the bronze and silver plans so that person A in Boston, MA pays about the same as Person B in Jericho, KS. Use This Calculator. This explains the results based on information inputted to arrive at the most likely cost. It includes valuable information in determining costs of private plans that enter the market now or in the future. The final calculation is what is important here:
"You could receive a government tax credit subsidy of up to:"
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts is 'all one unit' since we have Mass Health. In the other states & D.C., you need to enter in a zip code. I have the belief (and not verified with information at the moment) that the government hired some intelligent mathematicians and economists to determine the 'cost' level of someone at each different age level, complications of health and whether they are paying for just themselves or other family members as well.
I did an example using the following for Massachusetts: single person, age 40, no tobacco use, employer doesn't pay insurance, i.e. a small business owner. I found it would cost $2,718/year (or $226/month). I'm considered 305% above the poverty level. Now consider the same criteria, BUT, I'm the breadwinner of the family of four. The amount it would cost me is $776/year (or $64/month) and I'm 149% above the poverty level.. This is for a Bronze Plan.
For a Silver Plan it would cost a single person $6,350/year (or $529/month), and (breadwinner of four) $2,250/year (or $187/month). Play with the calculator. Use different states and zip codes for large cities or areas without a city.
Now, to answer the rest of your question. What happens if the Affordable Care Act is defunded as Republicans/Tea Party and their conservatives demand?
"Amount you pay for the premium:"
This is what it costs without the Affordable Care Act funding. You WILL pay this amount because that is the law! Republicans wanted to defund it, force Americans to pay the high level a year, and go absolutely ballistic in the 2014 and 2016 elections. They LIED to push their own political agenda this whole time, and without care for ordinary America's well being. Because when Americans sit down and do the calculations, the health care law actually benefits them in many, many ways. The Affordable Care Act is not a perfect system, DS. I can agree with you on that. But its a far better system than what most Americans suffer through right now. A well informed public will make good decisions on problems of the day. A misinformed public will made bad decisions.
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Do you have citations showing that the employers citing Obamacare as the reason for their hiring/firing decisions are only scapegoating Obamacare?
Do I need to present citations that there exists numerous, unscrupulous business owners in America? There have been plenty of examples of unscrupulous businesses doing unethical and/or illegal stuff for profit (how did we get into the recession that Pres. Obama inherited, DS?). An who gave final approval for those business decisions that were unethical and/or illegal? The business owners! I'll present the 10 tons of examples of 'numerous, unscrupulous business owners' after you present citation that all 100% of business organizations in the United States of America are 100% ethical and legal in ALL their business dealings with employees and/or the public for the last twenty years from the 2013 mark.
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