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kalikshama -> Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 3:55:12 PM)

The Gospel According to Bill O'Reilly's New Book "Killing Jesus"

In Killing Jesus: A History, Bill O’Reilly and writing partner Martin Dugard bring us their long-awaited “accurate account of not only how Jesus died, but also the way he lived.” This should settle two millennia of Christian debate. Although it lacks suspense (SPOILER ALERT: he dies), it’s a pretty good read and it’s fleshed out with tidbits about the ancient world.

But it should have been called The Gospel of Bill O’Reilly.

Here are some of the reasons why.

...O’Reilly argues that Temple taxes and profits from the moneychangers were back-channeled to Rome. Thus when Jesus overturned the tables of the moneychangers he “interrupted the flow of funds from the Temple to Rome.”

He’s right: the Temple incident led to Jesus’s arrest and execution and the Romans were responsible for killing Jesus. But there is no evidence that the Romans benefited from the financial affairs of the Temple during Jesus’ lifetime. Pilate didn’t get dibs on the lamb shanks some used to pay the priests. Jesus died because he was a rabble-rouser who disturbed the peace and challenged the authorities. Jesus didn’t die for our W2s.

Even if Jesus’s actions had been all about taxes, he died protesting a skeletal taxation system that privileged the rich. Wealthy citizens were exempt from most taxes altogether, non-citizens paid a flat-rate poll tax regardless of income, the property tax was 1 percent, and the money from taxes was used to build roads and fund the military. It's not like the Romans did anything obscene like tend to the poor.

...The most striking part of O’Reilly’s biography is what is left out.

When O’Reilly tells Luke’s story of John the Baptist, he includes the Baptist’s insistence that tax collectors stop overcharging and that soldiers stop extorting the poor, but casually omits the instruction to everyone (the crowds) that “whoever has two coats must share with anyone who has none; and whoever has food must do likewise.”

There’s no mention of the free health care offered by Jesus and his followers or the insistence that the wealthy give away their possessions.

The single most consistent social teaching in the New Testament is that Christians must support the poor, widows, and orphans, but this hardly gets a mention in Killing Jesus.

According to Fox News CEO Roger Ailes, “the first rule of media bias is selection.” Perhaps O’Reilly was squeezed for space.

Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/27/the-gospel-according-to-bill-o-reilly-s-new-book-killing-jesus.html




leonine -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 4:16:00 PM)

To be fair, Colin Morris made a case (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Unyoung-Uncoloured-Unpoor-Colin-Morris/dp/0716201348) that Jesus was actually a Zealot, which would certainly have made him an enemy of Roman taxation. (And which illustrates just how much you can find whatever you're looking for in the Bible.) But I'm not sure that's the kind of revolutionary O'Rielly has in mind.




mnottertail -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 5:23:04 PM)

And the truth is somewhat more pedestrian.




deathtothepixies -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 5:23:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

The Gospel According to Bill O'Reilly's New Book "Killing Jesus"

In Killing Jesus: A History, Bill O’Reilly and writing partner Martin Dugard bring us their long-awaited “accurate account of not only how Jesus died, but also the way he lived.” This should settle two millennia of Christian debate. Although it lacks suspense (SPOILER ALERT: he dies), it’s a pretty good read and it’s fleshed out with tidbits about the ancient world.

But it should have been called The Gospel of Bill O’Reilly.

Here are some of the reasons why.

...O’Reilly argues that Temple taxes and profits from the moneychangers were back-channeled to Rome. Thus when Jesus overturned the tables of the moneychangers he “interrupted the flow of funds from the Temple to Rome.”

He’s right: the Temple incident led to Jesus’s arrest and execution and the Romans were responsible for killing Jesus. But there is no evidence that the Romans benefited from the financial affairs of the Temple during Jesus’ lifetime. Pilate didn’t get dibs on the lamb shanks some used to pay the priests. Jesus died because he was a rabble-rouser who disturbed the peace and challenged the authorities. Jesus didn’t die for our W2s.

Even if Jesus’s actions had been all about taxes, he died protesting a skeletal taxation system that privileged the rich. Wealthy citizens were exempt from most taxes altogether, non-citizens paid a flat-rate poll tax regardless of income, the property tax was 1 percent, and the money from taxes was used to build roads and fund the military. It's not like the Romans did anything obscene like tend to the poor.

...The most striking part of O’Reilly’s biography is what is left out.

When O’Reilly tells Luke’s story of John the Baptist, he includes the Baptist’s insistence that tax collectors stop overcharging and that soldiers stop extorting the poor, but casually omits the instruction to everyone (the crowds) that “whoever has two coats must share with anyone who has none; and whoever has food must do likewise.”

There’s no mention of the free health care offered by Jesus and his followers or the insistence that the wealthy give away their possessions.

The single most consistent social teaching in the New Testament is that Christians must support the poor, widows, and orphans, but this hardly gets a mention in Killing Jesus.

According to Fox News CEO Roger Ailes, “the first rule of media bias is selection.” Perhaps O’Reilly was squeezed for space.

Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/27/the-gospel-according-to-bill-o-reilly-s-new-book-killing-jesus.html


do you have any proof of this other than a badly translated work of fiction?




mnottertail -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 5:31:54 PM)

The bible or fuckstick oreilly?




deathtothepixies -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 5:34:33 PM)

ask me in 2000 years time if oh really is still fucking up the world




mnottertail -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 5:38:08 PM)

will there still be taxes? as there were 2000 years before jesus, I mean? cuz I could see that offing oreilly wouldnt change the world any more than his coming into it did.




deathtothepixies -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 5:42:36 PM)

death and taxes mate, the only 2 things you can be certain about




kalikshama -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 5:45:15 PM)

quote:

do you have any proof of this other than a badly translated work of fiction?


To what does your "this" refer?




TreasureKY -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 5:50:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Read more: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/09/27/the-gospel-according-to-bill-o-reilly-s-new-book-killing-jesus.html


Why would we need to read more? You've posted nearly the entire article here... just left out a few paragraphs.

Did you have some thoughts, comments or questions on this article?





mnottertail -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 5:51:54 PM)

Oreilly? Fuckin stupid. End thought, end question, end article.




deathtothepixies -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 5:56:54 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

do you have any proof of this other than a badly translated work of fiction?


To what does your "this" refer?


spoiler alert...
oh hang lets make it a quiz
name a fictional book that has profoundly influenced the whole world for thousands of years?

clue it wasn't by Dan Brown or J K Rowling




kalikshama -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 5:58:04 PM)

quote:

Did you have some thoughts, comments or questions on this article?


I thought it was a fucking hysterical spin on the New Testament. "Jesus died to save you taxes" pffft.

/runs off to see if Jon Stewart has weighed in/




kalikshama -> RE: Bill O'Reilly's new book says Jesus died to free the Jews from taxation (10/1/2013 6:01:26 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: deathtothepixies

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

do you have any proof of this other than a badly translated work of fiction?


To what does your "this" refer?


spoiler alert...
oh hang lets make it a quiz
name a fictional book that has profoundly influenced the whole world for thousands of years?

clue it wasn't by Dan Brown or J K Rowling


Assuming if by "badly translated work of fiction" you mean the bible, I still don't know what you mean by the this in your post I quoted above.




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