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BitYakin -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/3/2013 5:04:53 PM)
actually I have never been there once that the line for that 10 dollar tram ride wasn't 20 or 30 people deep... when they talked about it on the news the local news extimated, 1 million a year ride that tram thats 10 million per year, they take in, lets assume ten people to run the thing, at well lets be generous and give them each 75K anually, thats 750 k anually labor expense... hell lets say 20 people at 75k per year, that 1.5 million, even at 40 people at 75k each it still only comes to 3 million that leaves hmm 7 million for electric and maintainence... yeahhh I think it turns a tidy profit! quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Not exactly what I was intending... but lets roll with it. Bityakin was saying that the St. Louis arch is self supporting - the fees charged are in excess of the costs to operate. It's an open air park with no admission. The only thing they charge for is some lame movie and the tram to the top which is pretty cheap ($10 IIRC). The park and the Old Courthouse do generally have a fair number of Park Rangers on hand so I doubt their salaries and maintenance of the Arch and Courthouse are really paid for out of those 10 buck tickets.

TreasureKY -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/3/2013 6:05:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY I'm put in mind of the IT Tech who, upon being terminated, sabotages a company's network. He may have created and managed it, but it and his time were paid for by the company. As an IT Tech, the idea that a website will simply run itself seems pretty problematic. As I ponder it, I can't think of a single public facing system I've ever seen wherein this is true. What you COULD do is let it "run itself" until it imploded and then spend the money to fix it later on. If I were the manager in question I'd be shutting down non-essential systems and diverting resources where needed to essential ones. to graceadieue's point about hosting, I suspect they host their own servers. The ISP contracts are probably not readily cancellable although they might be usage based (seems unlikely). I'd be looking at turning off servers though since power consumption is non-trivial. That's a good point about the IT folks, a lot of whom may have been furloughed. I know that a lot of the initial design/development of government websites is done by contractors, but I don't know about the maintenance/IT work. That would make sense to do in-house. And if they do host their own servers, those are going to be in government buildings, right? Which would probably be closed, with nobody there to monitor them. Four IT staff were exempted from being furloughed for the FCC. I'm guessing they are spending the shutdown sitting on their thumbs.

DomKen -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/3/2013 6:22:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin actually I have never been there once that the line for that 10 dollar tram ride wasn't 20 or 30 people deep... when they talked about it on the news the local news extimated, 1 million a year ride that tram thats 10 million per year, they take in, lets assume ten people to run the thing, at well lets be generous and give them each 75K anually, thats 750 k anually labor expense... hell lets say 20 people at 75k per year, that 1.5 million, even at 40 people at 75k each it still only comes to 3 million that leaves hmm 7 million for electric and maintainence... yeahhh I think it turns a tidy profit! quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Not exactly what I was intending... but lets roll with it. Bityakin was saying that the St. Louis arch is self supporting - the fees charged are in excess of the costs to operate. It's an open air park with no admission. The only thing they charge for is some lame movie and the tram to the top which is pretty cheap ($10 IIRC). The park and the Old Courthouse do generally have a fair number of Park Rangers on hand so I doubt their salaries and maintenance of the Arch and Courthouse are really paid for out of those 10 buck tickets. A lot would then depend on the cost of maintaining the Arch, Courthouse and the rest of the park. But the Arch remains a National Park and the DoI cannot spend money even off budget funds.

graceadieu -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/3/2013 6:23:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin actually I have never been there once that the line for that 10 dollar tram ride wasn't 20 or 30 people deep... when they talked about it on the news the local news extimated, 1 million a year ride that tram thats 10 million per year, they take in, lets assume ten people to run the thing, at well lets be generous and give them each 75K anually, thats 750 k anually labor expense... hell lets say 20 people at 75k per year, that 1.5 million, even at 40 people at 75k each it still only comes to 3 million that leaves hmm 7 million for electric and maintainence... yeahhh I think it turns a tidy profit! And I'm sure they spend $0 on advertising, printed materials, liability insurance, legal expenses, security, HR, groundskeeping, cleaning and maintaining the monument, fixing the tram, powering the tram, etc. And 1 minute on google tells me that they're currently working on $578 million project to improve the park and road and build a gondola ride across the river.

Yachtie -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/3/2013 6:58:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Fuck the government. Tea Partiers already did that, and now the reverberations are fucking the rest of us. I'm not denominational [:D] Fuck em all.

Owner59 -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/3/2013 7:06:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Fuck the government. Tea Partiers already did that, and now the reverberations are fucking the rest of us. I'm not denominational [:D] Fuck em all. Oh bull shit. You are as republican as they come. Jesus, who do you think you`re zoom`n? Other required qualities to be a republican, a short memory and ability to pretend your not one when the embarrassment gets to great..... [:D]

BitYakin -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/3/2013 11:38:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: graceadieu quote: ORIGINAL: BitYakin actually I have never been there once that the line for that 10 dollar tram ride wasn't 20 or 30 people deep... when they talked about it on the news the local news extimated, 1 million a year ride that tram thats 10 million per year, they take in, lets assume ten people to run the thing, at well lets be generous and give them each 75K anually, thats 750 k anually labor expense... hell lets say 20 people at 75k per year, that 1.5 million, even at 40 people at 75k each it still only comes to 3 million that leaves hmm 7 million for electric and maintainence... yeahhh I think it turns a tidy profit! And I'm sure they spend $0 on advertising, printed materials, liability insurance, legal expenses, security, HR, groundskeeping, cleaning and maintaining the monument, fixing the tram, powering the tram, etc. And 1 minute on google tells me that they're currently working on $578 million project to improve the park and road and build a gondola ride across the river. advertising? welll I think its the fourth most visited man made object on earth, soo not much need to advertise... printed material, yeah I am SURE they ran out JUST before the shut down.. ins, isn't that usually paid on a yearly basis? maybe not, how much ya think it is monthly? security, HR, groundskeeping, cleaning, wouldn't that have been covered by the personel I previously mentioned? powering the tram? thought I covered that with electric, its basicly a big ole multi car elevator as well as LIGHTS etc etc etc fixing the tram, umm I suppose it does need work from time to time, and surely its sceduled to be broke THIS WEEK, according to wikipedia, the tram has actually broken down 6 times in 40 years... maintaining the monument? umm its conctete and stainless steel, not much maintainence there sure things COULD go wrong that might cost more than it takes in, but I'd think it would be OK to let it run on its own money till something like that ACTUALLY happened, rather than shut it down because it MIGHT happen don't ya think maybe when they decided 10 per ticket that was probably what they needed to keep things going under normal circumstances? as for the project, I suppose that would have to be halted temporarily

DsBound -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/4/2013 12:08:22 AM)
Parks, monuments...

DsBound -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/4/2013 12:10:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Fuck the government. Tea Partiers already did that, and now the reverberations are fucking the rest of us. I'm not denominational [:D] Fuck em all. Love it!! [sm=applause.gif]

Politesub53 -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/4/2013 4:16:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Not exactly what I was intending... but lets roll with it. Bityakin was saying that the St. Louis arch is self supporting - the fees charged are in excess of the costs to operate. Pssstttttt.........ALL arches are self supporting. [8D]

mnottertail -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/4/2013 7:58:35 AM)
Eiffel tower, Pyramids, Colosseum, McDonalds arch in St. Louis, Great Wall of China? Do I have that out of order?

Phydeaux -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/6/2013 8:24:47 AM)
More self supporting places it costs more to close than to keep open http://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/editorials/editorial-federal-officials-should-end-theater-open-parks

Yachtie -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/6/2013 8:34:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Not exactly what I was intending... but lets roll with it. Bityakin was saying that the St. Louis arch is self supporting - the fees charged are in excess of the costs to operate. Pssstttttt.........ALL arches are self supporting. [8D] Some have fallen, requiring special shoes. [8D]

Owner59 -> RE: List of places that could be kept open or functioning at no cost (10/6/2013 8:38:11 AM)
Why is the geopee doing everything possible to distract away from and deny what they`re doing? They seem to be awfully anxious [:D]

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