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DesideriScuri -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/4/2013 11:16:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Yachtie
Has to be because of our Co2 output. I mean, shit! We humans supposedly cause everything else. Ohhhhh, maybe it's the guns! I just cannot see it as Gaia venting her wrath. So many worship her.
Right now, the ground underneath Yellowstone National Park is rising at a record rate. In fact, it is rising at the rate of about three inches per year. The reason why this is such a concern is because underneath the park sits the Yellowstone supervolcano – the largest volcano in North America. Scientists tell us that it is inevitable that it will erupt again one day, and when it does the devastation will be almost unimaginable. A full-blown eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano would dump a 10 foot deep layer of volcanic ash up to 1,000 miles away, and it would render much of the United States uninhabitable. When most Americans think of Yellowstone, they tend to conjure up images of Yogi Bear and “Old Faithful”, but the truth is that sleeping underneath Yellowstone is a volcanic beast that could destroy our nation in a single day and now that beast is starting to wake up.

Whew. Just under 1600 driving miles (as opposed to "as the crow flies" miles) away from me. I think I'll be out of the majority fall out radius.
It's probably rising not because of a silly volcano or something crazy like that. It's probably rising due to thermal expansion due to global warming.

Depends on which direction the wind is blowing when it does finally blow. There's a substantial ash layer under Chicago from the last time.


Well, there is also the whole '1000 mile radius and 10' ash pile' thing, too. I'm going to hazard a completely wild guess that the next foot outside that radius won't be empty of ash. Just a crazy guess, I know.




mnottertail -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/4/2013 11:20:19 AM)

Well, it should up the potash, so that is kinda spiffy.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/4/2013 2:13:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Has to be because of our Co2 output. I mean, shit! We humans supposedly cause everything else. Ohhhhh, maybe it's the guns! I just cannot see it as Gaia venting her wrath. So many worship her.


Right now, the ground underneath Yellowstone National Park is rising at a record rate. In fact, it is rising at the rate of about three inches per year. The reason why this is such a concern is because underneath the park sits the Yellowstone supervolcano – the largest volcano in North America. Scientists tell us that it is inevitable that it will erupt again one day, and when it does the devastation will be almost unimaginable. A full-blown eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano would dump a 10 foot deep layer of volcanic ash up to 1,000 miles away, and it would render much of the United States uninhabitable. When most Americans think of Yellowstone, they tend to conjure up images of Yogi Bear and “Old Faithful”, but the truth is that sleeping underneath Yellowstone is a volcanic beast that could destroy our nation in a single day and now that beast is starting to wake up.

What the FUCK does that have to do with climate change?

What kind of illiterate twit doesn't know the difference between mantle heat convection and climatology?




DomKen -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/4/2013 3:48:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Has to be because of our Co2 output. I mean, shit! We humans supposedly cause everything else. Ohhhhh, maybe it's the guns! I just cannot see it as Gaia venting her wrath. So many worship her.


Right now, the ground underneath Yellowstone National Park is rising at a record rate. In fact, it is rising at the rate of about three inches per year. The reason why this is such a concern is because underneath the park sits the Yellowstone supervolcano – the largest volcano in North America. Scientists tell us that it is inevitable that it will erupt again one day, and when it does the devastation will be almost unimaginable. A full-blown eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano would dump a 10 foot deep layer of volcanic ash up to 1,000 miles away, and it would render much of the United States uninhabitable. When most Americans think of Yellowstone, they tend to conjure up images of Yogi Bear and “Old Faithful”, but the truth is that sleeping underneath Yellowstone is a volcanic beast that could destroy our nation in a single day and now that beast is starting to wake up.

What the FUCK does that have to do with climate change?

What kind of illiterate twit doesn't know the difference between mantle heat convection and climatology?

You have to ask? Don't you read science threads on here?




Yachtie -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/4/2013 4:03:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Has to be because of our Co2 output. I mean, shit! We humans supposedly cause everything else. Ohhhhh, maybe it's the guns! I just cannot see it as Gaia venting her wrath. So many worship her.


Right now, the ground underneath Yellowstone National Park is rising at a record rate. In fact, it is rising at the rate of about three inches per year. The reason why this is such a concern is because underneath the park sits the Yellowstone supervolcano – the largest volcano in North America. Scientists tell us that it is inevitable that it will erupt again one day, and when it does the devastation will be almost unimaginable. A full-blown eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano would dump a 10 foot deep layer of volcanic ash up to 1,000 miles away, and it would render much of the United States uninhabitable. When most Americans think of Yellowstone, they tend to conjure up images of Yogi Bear and “Old Faithful”, but the truth is that sleeping underneath Yellowstone is a volcanic beast that could destroy our nation in a single day and now that beast is starting to wake up.

What the FUCK does that have to do with climate change?

What kind of illiterate twit doesn't know the difference between mantle heat convection and climatology?

You have to ask? Don't you read science threads on here?


This ain't the short bus. It's the slow one.




jlf1961 -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/4/2013 4:20:56 PM)

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YELLOWSTONE VOLCANO OBSERVATORY MONTHLY UPDATE
Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:57 PM MDT (Tuesday, October 1, 2013 18:57 UTC)


YELLOWSTONE VOLCANO (CAVW #1205-01-)
44°25'48" N 110°40'12" W, Summit Elevation 9203 ft (2805 m)
Current Volcano Alert Level: NORMAL
Current Aviation Color Code: GREEN

The U.S. Volcano Observatories will remain operational during the lapse of federal government appropriations. Basic volcano monitoring will continue, as will forecasts and regular updates of volcanic activity. However, because of reduced staff, instrument network maintenance will cease, meaning that our monitoring capability will degrade over time. Our websites will remain functional, but only those pages containing information about current volcano hazards will be maintained.

September 2013 Yellowstone Monthly Earthquake Activity Report

During September 2013, the University of Utah reports 469 earthquakes were located in the Yellowstone National Park region. The largest event was a minor earthquake of magnitude 3.6 on September 15, 2013 at 09:53 AM MDT, located about seven miles north of Old Faithful, WY.
September seismicity in Yellowstone was marked by five distinct clusters of episodic earthquakes:
1) A notable swarm of 246 earthquakes, ~5 miles north of Old Faithful, WY, began September 13 and tapered off September 20th, including the largest event of the month on September 15 (magnitude 3.6).
2) 81 events occurred in an episodic swarm ~17 miles east-northeast of West Yellowstone, MT, with swarm activity occurring September 13 and again from September 24, through September 30. The largest earthquake of the swarm (magnitude 3.5) occurred September 13, at 06:56 AM MDT~16 miles south-southwest of Mammoth, WY.
3) A small swarm of 27 earthquakes, ~6 miles north of West Yellowstone, MT, took place on September 27 and 28, with the largest event (magnitude 2.3) occurring September 27, at 09:40 AM MDT.
4) A small swarm of 23 earthquakes, ~9 miles north-northeast of Old Faithful, WY, began September 3 and ended September 5. The largest earthquake (magnitude 2.2) occurred September 4, at 06:10 AM MDT ~9 miles north-northeast of Old Faithful, WY.
5) The southernmost September 2013 swarm of 21 earthquakes, ~7 miles south-southwest of West Thumb, WY, occurred September 10. The largest earthquake (magnitude 3.3) took place in the center of the swarm at 06:46 AM MDT.

Yellowstone earthquake activity in September was at elevated levels during the above swarms but, has returned to a relatively normal background level by October 1, 2013.

Slow subsidence of the caldera, which began in early 2010, continues. Current deformation patterns at Yellowstone remain within historical norms.

Please see: http://www.uusatrg.utah.edu/ts_ysrp.html for a map of GPS stations in the Yellowstone vicinity. For a graph of daily GPS positions at White Lake, within the Yellowstone caldera, please see: http://pbo.unavco.org/station/overview/WLWY

The Yellowstone Volcano Observatory (YVO) provides long-term monitoring of volcanic and earthquake activity in the Yellowstone National Park region. Yellowstone is the site of the largest and most diverse collection of natural thermal features in the world and the first National Park. YVO is one of the five USGS Volcano Observatories that monitor volcanoes within the United States for science and public safety.

YVO Member agencies: USGS, Yellowstone National Park, University of Utah, University of Wyoming, UNAVCO, Inc., Wyoming State Geological Survey, Montana Bureau of Mines and Geology, Idaho Geological Survey


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subsidence (Earth Sciences / Geological Science) Geology the gradual sinking of landforms to a lower level as a result of earth movements, mining operations, etc.

The various super volcanoes around the world have a special interest for me. Of the seven now known, the United States has Long Valley in California and Valles Caldera, located northwest of Santa Fe. All of these areas have frequent activity but none show signs of a possible eruption.

Long Valley is a bit of a fluke, since it is located above the Pacific Coast Volcanic chain, but if you trace all the eruptions of the hot spot presently under Yellow Stone, you will discover that they eventually lead you to Long Valley. This is because the hot spot is actually stationary and the tectonic plate is moving, In a few billion years, the hot spot under yellow stone will be somewhere in Canada, not that any of us will be concerned with it.

Since the advent of the Internet, Yellow Stone has been a favorite of the "End of World" crowd. There have been countless predictions about its impending eruption from bible thumpers, amateur geologists, new age Native American spiritualists, with the last eruption supposed to happen last december as part of that Mayan prophecy thing.

Oh, there is a suspected hotspot in Idaho near the Wyoming border, but there is no evident caldera, just a lot of unusually hot springs and the odd geyser.

While it is true that Yellow Stone has erupted on an average of every 650,000 years and we are long over due, that is based on three eruptions, the other prehistoric calderas stretching back to the southwest have not had enough study to determine if that average holds true.




DomKen -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/4/2013 5:49:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Long Valley is a bit of a fluke, since it is located above the Pacific Coast Volcanic chain, but if you trace all the eruptions of the hot spot presently under Yellow Stone, you will discover that they eventually lead you to Long Valley. This is because the hot spot is actually stationary and the tectonic plate is moving, In a few billion years, the hot spot under yellow stone will be somewhere in Canada, not that any of us will be concerned with it.

That's a few million years not billion the plate is moving relatively quickly just track the calderas and consider how old each one is.

BTW to see what a hot spot much weaker than the Yellowstone hotspot can do look at the Hawaiian islands. They are all a product of the same hotspot. Each one was formed over the hotspot and then the plate rotated away from the hotspot and eventually a new eruption formed a new island. That's why, in general, the islands get smaller, they're eroding, the farther you get along the chain from the big island.

Most people in North America shouldn't bother worrying about Yellowstone. If it goes it will be with no or almost no warning and the various eruption effects, poisonous gases, pyroclastic debris, and falling ash will kill us all very quickly. Think Pompeii.




vincentML -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/4/2013 6:38:16 PM)

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While it is true that Yellow Stone has erupted on an average of every 650,000 years and we are long over due, that is based on three eruptions, the other prehistoric calderas stretching back to the southwest have not had enough study to determine if that average holds true.

Each eruption is an unrelated event. Geological circumstances leading to the next eruption will be different. Chaotic systems are unpredictable. The butterfly reigns. Consequently, earthquakes and volcanoes are crappy predictors of doomsday. Ditto for climate.




thishereboi -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/5/2013 6:38:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Has to be because of our Co2 output. I mean, shit! We humans supposedly cause everything else. Ohhhhh, maybe it's the guns! I just cannot see it as Gaia venting her wrath. So many worship her.


Right now, the ground underneath Yellowstone National Park is rising at a record rate. In fact, it is rising at the rate of about three inches per year. The reason why this is such a concern is because underneath the park sits the Yellowstone supervolcano – the largest volcano in North America. Scientists tell us that it is inevitable that it will erupt again one day, and when it does the devastation will be almost unimaginable. A full-blown eruption of the Yellowstone supervolcano would dump a 10 foot deep layer of volcanic ash up to 1,000 miles away, and it would render much of the United States uninhabitable. When most Americans think of Yellowstone, they tend to conjure up images of Yogi Bear and “Old Faithful”, but the truth is that sleeping underneath Yellowstone is a volcanic beast that could destroy our nation in a single day and now that beast is starting to wake up.

What the FUCK does that have to do with climate change?

What kind of illiterate twit doesn't know the difference between mantle heat convection and climatology?



I was wondering when someone would bring that up. If it blows, that will certainly change the climate, but other than that I have no clue.

To answer your second question. I would say anyone who hasn't studied the subject. And unless you are interested in it, why would you? To call someone a illiterate twit because they haven't studied the same things you have seems a bit harsh. Now if you had called someone an illiterate twit because they came into the thread and started the usual right vs left bullshit finger pointing I might have agreed with you, but you ignored that one.




jlf1961 -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/5/2013 7:08:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Long Valley is a bit of a fluke, since it is located above the Pacific Coast Volcanic chain, but if you trace all the eruptions of the hot spot presently under Yellow Stone, you will discover that they eventually lead you to Long Valley. This is because the hot spot is actually stationary and the tectonic plate is moving, In a few billion years, the hot spot under yellow stone will be somewhere in Canada, not that any of us will be concerned with it.

That's a few million years not billion the plate is moving relatively quickly just track the calderas and consider how old each one is.

BTW to see what a hot spot much weaker than the Yellowstone hotspot can do look at the Hawaiian islands. They are all a product of the same hotspot. Each one was formed over the hotspot and then the plate rotated away from the hotspot and eventually a new eruption formed a new island. That's why, in general, the islands get smaller, they're eroding, the farther you get along the chain from the big island.

Most people in North America shouldn't bother worrying about Yellowstone. If it goes it will be with no or almost no warning and the various eruption effects, poisonous gases, pyroclastic debris, and falling ash will kill us all very quickly. Think Pompeii.



Million or billion, I can say with absolute certainty that none of us will be around to worry about it.

Besides, on the rate of movement, I was just making a guess. Thanks for the correction though. and pardon my sarcasm, but the Yellowstone super volcano seems to be the biggest boogie man in the United States' collective closet at this point.

Now my personal theory on what is causing these hotspots around the planet is that the Felis catus species has dug tunnels deep into the earth's crust and are injecting the areas with the juices of the Moruga Scorpion pepper.




DomKen -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/5/2013 8:52:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Long Valley is a bit of a fluke, since it is located above the Pacific Coast Volcanic chain, but if you trace all the eruptions of the hot spot presently under Yellow Stone, you will discover that they eventually lead you to Long Valley. This is because the hot spot is actually stationary and the tectonic plate is moving, In a few billion years, the hot spot under yellow stone will be somewhere in Canada, not that any of us will be concerned with it.

That's a few million years not billion the plate is moving relatively quickly just track the calderas and consider how old each one is.

BTW to see what a hot spot much weaker than the Yellowstone hotspot can do look at the Hawaiian islands. They are all a product of the same hotspot. Each one was formed over the hotspot and then the plate rotated away from the hotspot and eventually a new eruption formed a new island. That's why, in general, the islands get smaller, they're eroding, the farther you get along the chain from the big island.

Most people in North America shouldn't bother worrying about Yellowstone. If it goes it will be with no or almost no warning and the various eruption effects, poisonous gases, pyroclastic debris, and falling ash will kill us all very quickly. Think Pompeii.



Million or billion, I can say with absolute certainty that none of us will be around to worry about it.

Besides, on the rate of movement, I was just making a guess. Thanks for the correction though. and pardon my sarcasm, but the Yellowstone super volcano seems to be the biggest boogie man in the United States' collective closet at this point.

I wouldn't call it a boogeyman. The hotspot is almost certain to blow again and the previous eruptions have been devastating. However like I said for most of us it would be over almost as soon as we knew it had happened.




jlf1961 -> RE: Can't be Mother Nature (10/5/2013 11:18:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


I wouldn't call it a boogeyman. The hotspot is almost certain to blow again and the previous eruptions have been devastating. However like I said for most of us it would be over almost as soon as we knew it had happened.



I was referring to the doomsayers, doomsday predictors etc that point to yellowstone and say that it will erupt soon etc.

Boi, the ground inside the Yellow Stone caldera is subsiding, in other words, sinking. The ground deformation is dropping, not increasing, granted that is a recent trend.





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