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Owner59 -> RE: Do you realy think that Jim Crow was the same as aparthied? (10/8/2013 10:46:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

In a major outbreak of moral equivalence the two have been declared as the same thing, what do you think?



In many ways worse.



In a few ways maybe better but certainly of the same spirit, purpose and ends.



In Alabama, a few lynchings,castrations(while alive) and burnings(while alive) a month might seem like no biggie compared to multiple mass shootings and political imprisonments/assassinations of hundreds/thousands of leaders in the old South Africa but they were still devastating and terrorizing to the victim`s families and to the whole black community in jim crow south.


Do you really want to have this morbid, dark , moral equivalency jibber jabber about who was worse?! They were both pretty fucking bad.


I`ll tell ya buddy.....to the victims of jim crow and segregation on up to Tryvon Martin, the victim`s families don`t give a fuck about how we compare to SA or any other place.

If it makes you feel better, bama,you can truthfully and correctly make the claim that Alabama wasn`t as bad as apartheid South Africa. Just by quality and quantity , apartheid South Africa repression was worse.

For what it`s worth,you can truthfully and correctly make the claim that jim crow Alabama wasn`t as bad as the Gulags.

You can truthfully and correctly make the claim that jim crow Alabama wasn`t as bad as Pinochet`s Chile.

You can truthfully and correctly make the claim that jim crow in Alabama wasn`t as bad as American pre-jim-crow slavery.

You can truthfully and correctly make the claim that jim crow in Alabama wasn`t as bad as the taliban.

Hope that helps.[8|]




Politesub53 -> RE: Do you realy think that Jim Crow was the same as aparthied? (10/9/2013 3:15:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Yes being apart, seperateness..... are you getting the idea now ?

Yes I'm getting the idea, similarity equals sameness. You've made this claim about synonyms before. It was wrong then, it's wrong now, and it will still be wrong tomorrow.

Are you getting that idea?

K.





Ah, so your problem is with pedantics, Fwiw I posted a link regards Assume/Suspect which listed them as a synonym. I cant be arsed to post it again, since you obviously didnt read the first one.

Now lets take your point slowly, so you can follow it. Using violence to force people to live apart under Jim Crow, wasnt the same as using violence to force people to live apart under apartheid ? Granted it wasnt as bad but dont tell me it was any fucking different, because that really would be arrogant. Owner has summed this up nicely.

You also skipped my point about Native Indians being forced onto reservations. Whats your word for that, Jim Crow ? Apartheid ? ethnic cleansing ?

And lets not forget that this thread was promted by my comments that being called a US Citizen, hasnt always ensured you were treated like one, even a mere fifty years ago. I am guessing you will start on with synonyms again. [8|]




mrphilipsmaxxx -> RE: Do you realy think that Jim Crow was the same as aparthied? (10/9/2013 3:24:06 AM)

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Owner59 -> RE: Do you realy think that Jim Crow was the same as aparthied? (10/9/2013 10:24:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Kirata

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Yes being apart, seperateness..... are you getting the idea now ?

Yes I'm getting the idea, similarity equals sameness. You've made this claim about synonyms before. It was wrong then, it's wrong now, and it will still be wrong tomorrow.

Are you getting that idea?

K.





Ah, so your problem is with pedantics, Fwiw I posted a link regards Assume/Suspect which listed them as a synonym. I cant be arsed to post it again, since you obviously didnt read the first one.

Now lets take your point slowly, so you can follow it. Using violence to force people to live apart under Jim Crow, wasnt the same as using violence to force people to live apart under apartheid ? Granted it wasnt as bad but dont tell me it was any fucking different, because that really would be arrogant. Owner has summed this up nicely.

You also skipped my point about Native Indians being forced onto reservations. Whats your word for that, Jim Crow ? Apartheid ? ethnic cleansing ?

And lets not forget that this thread was promted by my comments that being called a US Citizen, hasnt always ensured you were treated like one, even a mere fifty years ago. I am guessing you will start on with synonyms again. [8|]






You know Polite.....I have absolutely zero guilt or association with jim crow.....If a furriner pointed at me as said "American...jim crow yada yada"....it wouldn`t faze me in the least...My family, my ancestors worked against jim crow.

If someone pointed at me saying I was gay or a communist or a welfare recipient.....it just would`nt faze me because those things aren`t true.....there`s no reality of that for me.

Why would anyone want to take on this debate........ in 2013....... if they didn`t feel a sense of guilt and shame and a need to defend this garbage?


Very Freudian indeed.






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