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RE: raceplay - 10/9/2013 9:36:27 PM   
MalcolmNathaniel


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Status: offline 		Race play is definitely off my playbook.

Leave off the fact that I don't like Klansmen or neo-Nazis; in fact I have a [strike]love/hate[/strike] hate/shooty relationship with them. One of the major problems with raceplay is not in the play itself; it's that you are not just insulting the sub alone. You are insulting all of her family, any children she may have or you have together. There will be repercussions - maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but someday and for the rest of your lives.

Alright, I am done paraphrasing Casablanca.

I do have an issue with something ftp said. I happen to like Asian girls. This isn't really a fetish, I just think that the epicanthic eyefold is pretty. This is no different than liking blonde hair or large breasts. It's not racism, it's a preference.

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RE: raceplay - 10/10/2013 2:29:57 AM   
CaptR


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Status: offline 		Soo lets hypothesize your play partner/wife/girlfriend likes to be called an "expletive of her choice" in the heat of the moment because it gets her off. That would mean her mother, grandmother, etc are also an "expletive of choice" as are her/your children and so on? Limited thinking at best.

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RE: raceplay - 10/10/2013 3:09:03 AM   
CaptR


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Status: offline 		I'll leave this discussion with my mind in the minority thinking one can engage in race play in a healthy manner without doing harm. I'll go rub my gorgeous wife's black bottom while she kisses my white lips both being thankful we belong to at least the open mind minority together.

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RE: Race Play - 10/10/2013 8:31:23 AM   
DesFIP


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quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

P.S. to my previous post - just to elaborate on why I consider both to be outmoded - I don't know of a single person who dates across the spectrum who engages in race play that taps into racist roles and roleplay.



Hell, I don't know a single person who doesn't date across the spectrum who is desirous of playing with racism roleplay. As you don't have to date someone to engage in sex/play.

Because bigotry in the modern age is damned near universally acknowledged to be a bad thing.

On another site, a couple of years ago, some fuckwit came whining that he was part owner of a bdsm club and the other owners had forbidden him from wearing his stormtrooper uniform. He was sufficiently clueless not to realize that many people would be offended and would choose not to patronize his business as a result.

I wouldn't watch such a scene, and if it were happening, then it is so offensive to so many that it should be done in a private room, not in the main club space. But it appearing to be part of the culture of the club would guarantee I would leave immediately, demand my money back and never return.

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RE: raceplay - 10/10/2013 8:40:08 PM   
uhDumbPiglet


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< Message edited by uhDumbPiglet -- 10/10/2013 8:41:46 PM >

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RE: raceplay - 10/12/2013 5:01:51 PM   
Mooseman57


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Status: offline 		Either or borh...not so much the physical as much as the mental, psychological aspects of raceplay

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RE: raceplay - 10/12/2013 5:07:01 PM   
Mooseman57


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Status: offline 		Ideally, this is a consensual deal....not one tha is forced. I am not enjoying anything, sexual or otherwise, if its not freely enjoyed. Also being a gemini, am able to segregate (pun..get it,?) the fantasy from reality. In addirion, real racists of any type, would just corrupt the fantasy

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RE: Race Play - 10/12/2013 5:11:12 PM   
Mooseman57


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Status: offline 		My apologies for not fullt explaining....I mean playing up to to racial stereotypes wth d/s bdsm overtones. In my mind, as a fantasy as opposed to real life racism.....the irony is that wth any form of bdsm, d/s, this has to be consensual. If forced, then its immoral.

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RE: Race Play - 10/12/2013 5:53:53 PM   
DesFIP


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Status: offline 		I'm a Jew. If you called me some of the highly offensive terms that people do use about people of my religion, I could not consider it just clean fun. Because to me, thinking of that would mean that somewhere there was a grain of truth in how you really thought about Jews.

Because if you really didn't care about my religion, then such a term shouldn't even enter your mind.

To me: the fact that these terms do come to your mind, tells me we are miles apart and that I could never be comfortable engaging in any intimacy with you.

My daughter's dating a black guy. He's a friend of her cousin. His family decided that I wasn't a racist because when she mentioned they were seeing each other, my reaction was not "The black kid who came to Thanksgiving". Instead it was "the computer geek?". His race literally did not occur to me when I thought of him.

The fact that it does occur to you is my sticking point.

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RE: Race Play - 10/13/2013 3:42:29 AM   
foundq


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Status: offline 		Raceplay is a tricky one to talk about. It's perhaps even trickier to bring up with your partner.

From what I've seen, most people in the lifestyle have no real interest in it. However, when it does come up, it's usually subs who bring it up, at least in my experience. My master has played with a few subs who had an interest in it.

It's hard to nail down what the allure of it is. I suppose the fact that it's extremely taboo can make it interesting. It's also a way of playing out what is a very real issue, to some people. My skin is brown, and even though I hail from "model minorities" who have higher median household incomes than caucasians, I've still been called racial slurs, and I've still been the target of racially motivated attention from the police.

Personally? I suppose I have pretty neutral feelings about it. It's not really in the family of things I find compelling. Most raceplay is just a variant of humiliation play, and even though I've been in my share of humiliating scenes, it's not something I actively seek out or especially enjoy. By the same token, it's not something I really condemn, provided both partners know about it beforehand and consent to it. I might object if it was forced on a slave after both parties were in a committed situation. But I've never heard of that happening.

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RE: Race Play - 10/13/2013 5:23:07 AM   
Mooseman57


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Status: offline 		You are right...tis a puzzle as to why it may be attractive. For me it is...however only as a fantasy roleplay...not as a committed lifestyle.

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RE: Race Play - 10/13/2013 6:42:15 AM   
TigressLily


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mooseman57

My apologies for not full[y] explaining....I mean playing up to to racial stereotypes wth d/s bdsm overtones. In my mind, as a fantasy as opposed to real life racism.....the irony is that wth any form of bdsm, d/s, this has to be consensual. If forced, then its immoral.


May I offer you some friendly advice, since it was never my intention to rag on you for wanting what you want? (Which I'm sure you won't mind since you say you are a Gemini, known to be quick-witted and mentally adept) Your seeking a black partner for yourself is higher on your list or priorities, is it not? than seeking a Domme/switch/sub for Race Play. It would be advisable for you to downplay your kink at the starting gate instead of putting the cart before the horse.

I say this because I was considering someone a few weeks ago, but he shot himself in the foot with his constant references to being a white boy, white slaveboy, white-boy slave. It turned me off. Once or even twice of this sort of talk entering into the conversation, I could have overlooked, but not having such a blatant fixation/obsession on wanting the race factor to underlie our D/s dynamic. Now, had he kept it to himself in terms of his own mindset, it might not have been such an issue with me. Had this relationship gotten off the ground, who knows what path we'd be skipping along, although my instincts tell me it still wouldn't have worked out between us regardless.

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RE: Race Play - 10/13/2013 7:54:16 AM   
Mooseman57


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Status: offline 		Quite eloquent you are in vaious aspects...tis true I have a "thing" for choco women...in part because I work wth many...it is true when I mentioned raceplay fascinates me, but tis entirely possible I had put the cart before the horse...well put! As it had been mentioned, tis more of a roleplay fantasy than a true lifestyle...my gemini nature couldnt have stood dealing wth such a life. Funnily enuff, I had really come across it full blast at fetlife...but I soon was more in the slave/sub perspective in the personals, than the doms...some of which seemed, well, overly enthusiastic. It does puzzle or trouble me, at least on part of some black subs I read advocating plantation life....I mean real life American style slavery was not fun. Still, it dows fascinate me. Thanks for giving me an outlet to talk aloud, so to speak. Are you black. Being nosey..

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RE: Race Play - 10/13/2013 8:48:54 AM   
TigressLily


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That would be just like a typical Gemini to ask, but it's okay. (You could have viewed my profile to see whether I looked black.) I'm half Asian, the other half is mostly Caucasian of the WASP variety & 1/8th Native American. I won't say which tribal nation because that would be too personally identifiable. (There aren't many of us left.) I don't think we operate any casinos, though.

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RE: Race Play - 10/13/2013 8:59:23 AM   
Mooseman57


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Status: offline 		You are correct...twas rather lazy of me...shudda looked at your profile. I do say that you are a rather articulate n eloquent woman....and open minded to boot....Do you come here often? If you did own a casino, would have asked to be your best friend n pal!



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RE: Race Play - 10/13/2013 9:11:01 AM   
TigressLily


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You must be a gambling man. Nope, no share of casino revenues.

Gambling's not my thing. I only like horse racing for the horses. I do remember my parents letting me play the slot machines in Reno & Las Vegas when I was a kid, back when kids could get into casinos. We saw some shows. Vaguely remember Glen Campbell.

Lately I've been on the forum side more often than the other (profile) side, which was getting too boring. Same old, same old.

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RE: Race Play - 10/13/2013 9:23:24 AM   
Mooseman57


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Status: offline 		Nope...no gambling for me...my grasp on my finances is thin enough wthout that!...excusing my laziness innot checking your profile...but whats your thing?!

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RE: Race Play - 11/19/2013 3:58:18 PM   
PlantationMissy


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Status: offline 		Hello! I actually joined just to find more people into raceplay. I'm part of another fetish community site & have found some amazing people there so I'm hoping to here as well. Raceplay is my only thing & I like to fancy myself as an old school plantation owner but don't limit myself to it.

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RE: raceplay - 11/19/2013 4:30:59 PM   
KnightofMists


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mooseman57

Does anyone find raceplay fascinating like I do? Curious


Nope... An attractive woman is an attractive woman regardless of ethnic background.

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RE: raceplay - 11/19/2013 4:49:15 PM   
LaTigresse


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quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mooseman57

Does anyone find raceplay fascinating like I do? Curious


Nope... An attractive woman is an attractive woman regardless of ethnic background.


This.


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