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MasterAutarch -> Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/8/2013 1:13:02 AM)

Like a lot of people I am fed up with our legislators. They are more interested in winning than what is good for the populace. I am starting a campaign:

"Fix Congress, vote against the incumbent." [:D]

Note that the concept is bi-partisan... or is the term pan-partisan? :)

If everyone in congress and senate gets replaced, maybe the new guys will get the message that the people are tired of these games.

I'm still looking for just the right slogan... I'm also coming up with "Fire the legislators, vote against the incumbent."

Whichever you prefer, tell your friends.




DaddySatyr -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/8/2013 1:19:40 AM)

I used to belong to an organization called: (D)on't (E)lect (A)ny (L)awyers. Same premise, essentially.







epiphiny43 -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/8/2013 1:20:40 AM)

Jeeze, be careful what you ask for. We voted for the least worst candidates here the last election. You wouldn't believe the clowns they beat.




Owner59 -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/8/2013 9:16:16 AM)

One of the reasons the cons are able to get away with the most naked acts of aggression toward America and get away with them is that while they enjoy a less than ten percent approval rating,they have a 90% re-election rate.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-october-2-2013/shutstorm-2013--america-sits-on-its-balls---republican-shutdown

One of the reason democrats hold and lead the Senate is that states can not gerrymander senate races.





cloudboy -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/8/2013 9:41:57 PM)


Third, gerrymandering is a major form of disenfranchisement. In the seven states where Republicans redrew the districts, 16.7 million votes were cast for Republicans and 16.4 million votes were cast for Democrats. This elected 73 Republicans and 34 Democrats.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sunday/the-great-gerrymander-of-2012.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0




Zonie63 -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/9/2013 7:33:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterAutarch

Like a lot of people I am fed up with our legislators. They are more interested in winning than what is good for the populace. I am starting a campaign:

"Fix Congress, vote against the incumbent." [:D]

Note that the concept is bi-partisan... or is the term pan-partisan? :)

If everyone in congress and senate gets replaced, maybe the new guys will get the message that the people are tired of these games.

I'm still looking for just the right slogan... I'm also coming up with "Fire the legislators, vote against the incumbent."

Whichever you prefer, tell your friends.



I agree for the most part, although the slogan I would use is: "Fix the country, vote against Republicans and Democrats." If more people would vote for independent, write-in, and/or third-party candidates, it would break the stranglehold of the two major parties.

Another problem is the process by which political parties select their candidates, as even fewer people vote in the primaries than they do in the general elections. In districts where one party dominates, then it's the primary election which makes all the difference. That's where it can be difficult, since to unseat an incumbent would mean there would have to be a challenge within the incumbent's own party, which can be seen as a "betrayal" and often considered bad form within party politics. It's notions like these which the voting public will eventually need to abandon in order to truly fix things. It's not just a battle between political parties, but also within political parties as well.

As long as people are content to vote for the lesser of two evils, we deserve what we get.

As long as people gain their political knowledge and formulate their ideals on the basis of 30-second TV commercials, we deserve what we get.

As long as people continue to be suckered and fooled by the same lies election after election, we deserve what we get.

The public has to take some responsibility here. I've heard terms like "sheeple" tossed around quite a bit these days, but we really should hold ourselves and our fellow citizens to a higher standard than that.

The sad thing is, if the general public has deteriorated to such a point where they're nothing more than misguided, easily-manipulated fools, then probably nothing can save this country.

I also think that it's not enough to simply look at the current crop of politicians as bad people. Maybe they are, but I think it's also necessary to look at the kinds of ideas and political philosophies our politicians represent to us. Most voters don't get to actually meet or talk with their elected representatives (beyond campaign/hand-shaking events), so what they're really voting for is an image - something that's presented to them and represents something they feel aligned with or connected to in some vicarious way.

I often think about this whenever I see commercials or political flyers that try to show a candidate as a "good Christian" and a "family man," where they usually have pictures of the candidate and his/her family, perhaps some shots of them playing out back with the family dog. It's the image that people are voting for. The actual individual candidate is an interchangeable, dispensable component, not unlike news anchors on local TV stations. The names and faces don't really matter, since they're still part of the same organization and compelled to present the same image and set of ideals - which the gullible public will swallow at each election.





mnottertail -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/9/2013 8:27:13 AM)

IN the US the independents are actually teabaggers in teabagger clothing, for the most part.




MasterCaneman -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/9/2013 8:33:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

IN the US the independents are actually teabaggers in teabagger clothing.

Not necessarily. Here where I live (Western New York), the Independent Party has become little more than an overflow party for candidates who didn't win their respective party's primary. At it's worst, it's a cover for the fact that this is a Dem stronghold and it makes it appear as if there is a multi-party system.

It's truly sad when you see a candidate who's on every ticket because there are no credible challengers or they need to garner more undecideds. More than once, I've seen the same candidate running as all three major parties here. Figure that one out, other than they have no intentions of leaving office and will game the system in order to do so.




TreasureKY -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/9/2013 10:00:00 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterAutarch

Like a lot of people I am fed up with our legislators. They are more interested in winning than what is good for the populace. I am starting a campaign:

"Fix Congress, vote against the incumbent." [:D]

Note that the concept is bi-partisan... or is the term pan-partisan? :)

If everyone in congress and senate gets replaced, maybe the new guys will get the message that the people are tired of these games.

I'm still looking for just the right slogan... I'm also coming up with "Fire the legislators, vote against the incumbent."

Whichever you prefer, tell your friends.



While I agree there needs to be a change in our legislative branch, and while I loathe the tendency of our Congressional members to make a career out of it, I don't think a complete change-over of personnel would be good for the Country.

Not with the level of complexity that we have currently.

I cannot even begin to imagine the damage that could be done with a completely new batch of novice legislators who would have no idea how to navigate our system.




mnottertail -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/9/2013 10:14:56 AM)

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I cannot even begin to imagine the damage that could be done with a completely new batch of novice legislators who would have no idea how to navigate our system.


One need look no further than the rather fresh batch of teabaggers in our congress today, to see what the damage is beginning to look like.




TreasureKY -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/9/2013 11:08:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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I cannot even begin to imagine the damage that could be done with a completely new batch of novice legislators who would have no idea how to navigate our system.


One need look no further than the rather fresh batch of teabaggers in our congress today, to see what the damage is beginning to look like.


I'm sorry... I have no idea who you may be referring to.




mnottertail -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/9/2013 11:11:06 AM)

You might want to familiarize yourself with the government of the united states and its fiscal and economic crises, then so that you are not speaking foolishly of matters you perhaps are untutored in. That would be sad.




Zonie63 -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/10/2013 5:19:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

IN the US the independents are actually teabaggers in teabagger clothing, for the most part.


I try to take it on a case-by-case basis. It's hard to tell where the GOP ends and the Tea Party begins. If they'd just make a clean break of it and officially form a "Tea Party," it would be easier to tell the players.




joether -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/10/2013 6:14:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
IN the US the independents are actually teabaggers in teabagger clothing, for the most part.


I try to take it on a case-by-case basis. It's hard to tell where the GOP ends and the Tea Party begins. If they'd just make a clean break of it and officially form a "Tea Party," it would be easier to tell the players.


The reason they don't do that is because it would weaken both parties when facing off against Democrats. Assuming 100 million registered voters for the White House. The Republicans hold 30 million votes, Democrats about 25 million. If the Republicans and Tea Party went their separate way, it would be 20 million Republicans and 10 million Tea Party. That puts them at odds with Democrats as both try to convince the moderates/independents/on the fence types to vote in their direction. Split 'evenly', that would be 20 million to both the Democrats and Republicans with the remaining 10 million towards the Tea Party. End result, Republicans have 30 million votes, Tea Party with 20 million votes, and Democrats with a whopping 50 million votes and the White House. I'm not portraying this as an exact science here. Just the general 'feeling' conservatives have in splitting up the Republicans from the Tea Party. If they thought it would work to their advantage, they would do it. Both groups need the other to compete against Democrats whom are more and more the 'center' of America.





JeffBC -> RE: Fix Congress, vote against the Incumbent (10/10/2013 6:40:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterAutarch
I'm still looking for just the right slogan... I'm also coming up with "Fire the legislators, vote against the incumbent."

This, of course, goes without saying. But if you happen to be republican and you vote democratic you're not solving anything. The two major parties are virtually identical in all the ways that matter. What I'd say is, "If you want to fix Congress then do your damned research and find out what people really stand for and then vote for the right people." For me, that led me to voting green.




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