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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 8:18:51 AM

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Me too. It must be a Western New York thing. I love Halloween! First the kids have a great time and then, once they crash from their sugar high, it time for the adults to party! Bonfires and outdoor jams, wild costumes, good food and good booze!

Halloween is a time to mingle with your neighbors you're normally to busy to mingle with.

It is a time to slip out of mask you normally wear and let some of the inner you peek through.

It is a time when social barriers take a back seat to wild abandon and fun.

Neither the whining of a crotchety old man from Texas nor the ravings of a psycho-bigot from Australia will change that.

HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYBODY!!!!!

And to those of you determined not to have a happy Halloween... fuck ya! We're going to have a good time anyway!

Oh hell yeah. We know how to do it right around these parts. When I was a kid, me and my idiot friends would work the neighborhoods like little thieves. We'd hit a street hard, swap our costumes around, and hit it again. It was considered a failure if you didn't bring home at least two pillowcases full of swag home. My dad once sent me back out when I came back with only a half bag one year. They'd buy the crap candy and count on me to bring home the good stuff.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 8:21:18 AM

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Halloween was a horror for me, most of the time, I grew up in a time when people would actually try to foist candycorn off on you as candy, and feel it was socially acceptable. The toilet flushed most violently those days. And it cut into the hershey bars, bigtime.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 9:13:01 AM

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We actively discourage it here where we are.
We put a big notice on the front door: "No Trick or Treat Here - we are Pagans" and "We are British, not American. Go do it over there".
Why?
Because pretty much most kids here are just in normal clothing and on the scrounge - something for nothing.

But I gotta say, when it's done right, like I witnessed in Jax, FL, it was brilliant for the kids.
To see all those wonderful costumes and the whole thing done in the spirit of the occasion.
Then the adult BBQ or party afterwards... Brilliant!
I just wish our kids here did it properly.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 9:15:24 AM

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Uh...it is a pagan based deal, say you are Christian if you want to scare them away, or save those Jehovahs Witnesses tracts to pop in their kits if they dare your door.

'Orrifying, innit?

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 9:33:50 AM

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Uh...it is a pagan based deal, say you are Christian if you want to scare them away, or save those Jehovahs Witnesses tracts to pop in their kits if they dare your door.

'Orrifying, innit?

Trick or treat is not Pagan.
The festival of Samhain has been pinched by the christians - like most of their ceremonies.
I don't think Trick or Treat was around 10,000 years ago.

Samhain (pronounced 'sow'inn') is a very important date in the Pagan calendar for it marks the Feast of the Dead. Many Pagans also celebrate it as the old Celtic New Year (although some mark this at Imbolc). It is also celebrated by non-Pagans who call this festival Halloween.
Samhain has been celebrated in Britain for centuries and has its origin in Pagan Celtic traditions. It was the time of year when the veils between this world and the Otherworld were believed to be at their thinnest: when the spirits of the dead could most readily mingle with the living once again. Later, when the festival was adopted by Christians, they celebrated it as All Hallows' Eve, followed by All Saints Day, though it still retained elements of remembering and honouring the dead.
To most modern Pagans, while death is still the central theme of the festival this does not mean it is a morbid event. For Pagans, death is not a thing to be feared. Old age is valued for its wisdom and dying is accepted as a part of life as necessary and welcome as birth. While Pagans, like people of other faiths, always honour and show respect for their dead, this is particularly marked at Samhain. Loved ones who have recently died are remembered and their spirits often invited to join the living in the celebratory feast. It is also a time at which those born during the past year are formally welcomed into the community. As well as feasting, Pagans often celebrate Samahin with traditional games such as apple-dooking.
Death also symbolises endings and Samhain is therefore not only a time for reflecting on mortality, but also on the passing of relationships, jobs and other significant changes in life. A time for taking stock of the past and coming to terms with it, in order to move on and look forward to the future.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 9:46:46 AM

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I misspoke when I said pagan, now that we are mincing the differing kinds of heathen from the TRUE Christians (LOL).

I was thinking of Alf-Blot. http://www.odinsvolk.ca/O.V.A.%20-%20SACRED%20CALENDER.htm#Winter (see fallfeast) and since we don't butcher, it is symbolic of fattening and storing for winter, and attendant gathering, harvest, and whatnot.

Nevertheless, the gravamen here, insofar as I am concerned, is that candycorn is not candy, and anyone distributing that fuckin puke to anyone and especially children should be slaughtered like a pig, and their blood drank, and their body thrown to the bonefire. And that horror is still extant in these modern times.

If I was not clear about that, apologies, although I realize that the point is rather subtle.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 9:50:27 AM

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Yeah - I actually agree with you on that one!!

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 9:59:04 AM

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Most older boys think they can buy a plastic mask, put that on under the normal hoody and the job is done. no effort at all.

needles

We used to get a lot of those teenagers too, and they usually came round on the wrong night (I guess because they were too cool to mingle with the little kids) so we used to just ignore them. It did bother me that quite a lot of teenage boys used to do this around my grandmother's (retirement) neighbourhood. I know some of the older folks there found the hoodies intimidating.

Now we live in a little area with lots of families so we get very polite children with their parents waiting at the end of the drive. Not enough to be worth decorating the house for, but we always have some nice sweeties ready.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 10:52:38 AM

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I didn't realize there was anyone who hadn't already hidden bimbo.

But here, meaning this town, it's a kids parade down Main Street. Ending up at the firehouse where they are given a big Hershey bar and an apple. New York State is second in the nation in apple production and Ulster County, only two hours out of Manhattan is the largest apple producing county in the state.

Following that, older kids go out trick or treating, little kids go out before the parade. And if your porch lights are off, nobody rings your bell.

And the local bakery hosts Night of 1000 Pumpkins. With several categories to compete in, and free hot cider to drink. There are always local artists who enter with elaborate landscapes carved.

And since this is farm country. some point in October you go out pumpkin picking and do the corn maze which also can get quite elaborate. We shan't discuss the time my son was eight and had to guide me out of the maze.

If it wasn't always cold by Halloween, it would be better. A three year old in a princess dress with a parka on top just doesn't do it.
And one year I found my then tween a hoodie painted like King Tut, so he wore that for both warmth and costume.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 11:09:48 AM

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I loved those monsters. My brother and I would indulge in horror movies every friday night. No one did them better than Seymour, our local stations friday night scare, host. That said... sometimes horror comes in more realistic forms.

To quote from The Addams Family:
"Wednesday: [when asked about her Halloween costume] I'm a homicidal maniac- they look just like everyone else." - -- The Addams Family

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 12:03:25 PM

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Oh hell yeah. We know how to do it right around these parts. When I was a kid, me and my idiot friends would work the neighborhoods like little thieves. We'd hit a street hard, swap our costumes around, and hit it again. It was considered a failure if you didn't bring home at least two pillowcases full of swag home. My dad once sent me back out when I came back with only a half bag one year. They'd buy the crap candy and count on me to bring home the good stuff.

Yup. Two sacks full of candy was definitely necessary just to make up for the candy tax that my father (as a duly authorized candy tax collector for the United State Government) would confiscate. "I'm sorry son but the law is the law."

Also, it was dad's job to confiscate any illegal candy like Mallomars or Buttons (anyone remember them?). "C'mon, hand it over. I can't believe Mrs. Williams gave you that. I gonna have to have a talk with her."

What could I do... the law is the law.

Of course, now that I'm grown up, I'm the duly authorized candy tax collector for my grand nieces and nephews. Mallomars have been legalized but, it turns out, Reese's Peanut Butter Cups are totally illegal.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 12:16:29 PM

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Halloween was a horror for me, most of the time, I grew up in a time when people would actually try to foist candycorn off on you as candy, and feel it was socially acceptable. The toilet flushed most violently those days. And it cut into the hershey bars, bigtime.

Candy corn... the horror... the horror....

You know whats worse (take a deep breath folks, contender for longest run-on sentence of the year ahead)?

The old lady neighbor who was the widow of a dentist and would give away toothbrushes instead of candy and whose house you wanted to skip but mom forced you to go there anyway and and listen to her boring speech about good oral hygiene which was probably only ten seconds long but seemed to last forever because it was cutting into the time you could be hitting up houses that gave away actual candy and to top it all of mom made sure you said 'thank you' for the whole exasperating ordeal AAAAAAAGHGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

ETA: Nothing has been so misnamed in the history of the human race as candy corn... it tastes like neither candy nor corn.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 12:21:59 PM

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Trick or treat is not Pagan.
The festival of Samhain has been pinched by the christians - like most of their ceremonies.
I don't think Trick or Treat was around 10,000 years ago.

Why are people arguing over the origins of Halloween? Nobody really cares when you are busy stuffing your face full of Reese's Peanut Butter Cups! At least I don't.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 12:25:03 PM

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well if we are talk origins of trick or treating it's probably from the celtic. It's all to do with fairies you see. Samhain, which is actually Samhain and not to be confused with the Manx Sauin in how you pronounce it no matter what wiki tells ya, is a harvest festival, but also marks the end of the year. in doing so it leaves things vague where one year ends and the other starts. this allows the fairy folk to be more active in our dimension. some of these fairies are tricksters, but one is also said to ruin all your apples by spitting on them if they are not all picked by the 31st. hence where all your obsession for apples comes from. the trick or treating probably started as you were supposed to stay in doors and keep everything shut tight to keep the fairies out, but leave something sweet out for them outside to keep them happy and stop them playing tricks.

the druids also used to collect food stuffs from houses to offer to the gods for a good harvest for the following year, and play tricks on those that didn't give generously, or at all.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 12:53:11 PM

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A friend of mine from high school went to college, majored in arts and dont know what else, ended up in a land far to the west of here called Hollywood as a make up artist.

A few years ago, she returned from that strange land, found a nice job, volunteers with the local community theater doing make up and make up effects, helps out when the local colleges' drama departments pick some play that needs specialize makeup. She also supervises the makeup for the local charity haunted house.

She usually helps us old geezer critters with the classic monster make up.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 2:00:04 PM

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We actively discourage it here where we are.
We put a big notice on the front door: "No Trick or Treat Here - we are Pagans" and "We are British, not American. Go do it over there".
Why?
Because pretty much most kids here are just in normal clothing and on the scrounge - something for nothing.

But I gotta say, when it's done right, like I witnessed in Jax, FL, it was brilliant for the kids.
To see all those wonderful costumes and the whole thing done in the spirit of the occasion.
Then the adult BBQ or party afterwards... Brilliant!
I just wish our kids here did it properly.

We do it here too. No costume, no candy, and if you don't want trick or treaters, don't turn on your porch light/decorate outside. 99% of the kids and parents understand and respect that. The other 1% gets ignored. Only problem with that, you gotta stay up to catch 'em before they toilet paper your house and egg you car.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 2:46:42 PM

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Would you care to explain the bolded so I can decide whether or not I am offended?

I'm pretty sure judge Dredd was trying to explain to us all how stupid we are in comparison to his remarkable grasp of history and his awesomely hard cock.

Ahhhhh. Well, I will just keep chewin on mah hay and smokin mah corncob pipe as I feel inferior.

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 2:52:17 PM

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My son is 25 now, but when he was younger and went trick or treating we would go to a few houses of friends, then go to a festival at either a local business or church. I hate that he missed out on the fun like I had as a kid. We would make costumes (pirates and mummies were easy and could be made with what was on hand if I recall correctly), then go as far in the neighborhood as we could walk.

Sneak and eat something before getting it home to be checked out for needles and razorblades-lolol. A couple of folks in our neighborhood even set up haunted house type things in their carports or houses that we could go through.

Sighs.

I feel old suddenly!

I don't get many trick or treaters anymore, but, I do give out full sized candybars since I only have to buy a few!

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 2:55:43 PM

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We actively discourage it here where we are.
We put a big notice on the front door: "No Trick or Treat Here - we are Pagans" and "We are British, not American. Go do it over there".
Why?
Because pretty much most kids here are just in normal clothing and on the scrounge - something for nothing.

But I gotta say, when it's done right, like I witnessed in Jax, FL, it was brilliant for the kids.
To see all those wonderful costumes and the whole thing done in the spirit of the occasion.
Then the adult BBQ or party afterwards... Brilliant!
I just wish our kids here did it properly.

We do it here too. No costume, no candy, and if you don't want trick or treaters, don't turn on your porch light/decorate outside. 99% of the kids and parents understand and respect that. The other 1% gets ignored. Only problem with that, you gotta stay up to catch 'em before they toilet paper your house and egg you car.

Most people here don't even have a porch or a porch light! lol.
And I've yet to see any house decorated for halloween around these parts.
But that don't stop hoards of scrungy scruffy kids in hoodies banging at your door!

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RE: What has happened to horror and holloween? - 10/9/2013 4:58:45 PM

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Y'all have missed the absolute best part of Halloween:

Women who would normally never even think about dressing like sluts, dress like sluts. Brilliant!

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