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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 8:38:58 AM   
Nosathro


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http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/10/08/2753831/congressmen-pressure-gym-closure/
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/10/08/2753831/congressmen-pressure-gym-closure/

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 8:54:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

Worst thing is, it takes two to tango, but only the GOP is getting blamed.


Not exactly. The Republicans in Congress are getting the most blame, but that doesn't mean that everyone else is being considered blameless.

AP-GfK Poll as reported by USA Today (Video)

If you view the graphic below, you'll see that while 62% of those polled consider Republicans in Congress to be almost all/a lot responsible for the shutdown, almost half (49%) consider the responsibility to be shouldered by the President or Democrats in Congress. There is a clear majority blaming the GoP, but I find the relatively narrow gap to be indicative of there being plenty of blame spread around amongst all the players.

Interestingly enough, of those parties identified by the poll, the Tea Party movement appears to be viewed by a smaller percentage as holding major responsibility. That seems to fly in the face of some here who would proclaim otherwise.

Edited: Sorry... the graphic was way too large.




I must preface all my remarks by saying that I am not an imbiber of polls, they have absolutely no value, nor accuracy except by serendipitous circumstance.

However (and I know that this adds up to 111% so already it is as innumerate as the poll)

Had Romney taken 62% of the popular vote, and Obama 49% that would be called a mandate and a slaughter.

Now, having said that, the teabaggers are identified as a faction within the republican party overwhelmingly. So, the results considering the miscable nature of the 62% and 43% tells me that some interpretations in this poll leave as much wanting as do the maths.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 9:41:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I must preface all my remarks by saying that I am not an imbiber of polls, they have absolutely no value, nor accuracy except by serendipitous circumstance.

However (and I know that this adds up to 111% so already it is as innumerate as the poll)

Had Romney taken 62% of the popular vote, and Obama 49% that would be called a mandate and a slaughter.

Now, having said that, the teabaggers are identified as a faction within the republican party overwhelmingly. So, the results considering the miscable nature of the 62% and 43% tells me that some interpretations in this poll leave as much wanting as do the maths.


It wouldn't be an unusual characteristic, but perhaps you are one who lacks the capacity to understand that the world is not black and white; people do not think in zeros and ones; and that a clear voice in support of an issue is not an equal voice of dissent against the opposition.

I agree that polls, like statistics in general, can be manipulated to provide for support for just about any position you'd like. Nonetheless, they serve a limited purpose... if for nothing more than to counter and challenge preconceived and promulgated notions.

I believe that the idea that most people blame the GoP for the shutdown has been presented as a result of some polling effort. Of course, you may be one who believes that the news media has some omniscient ability to know what everyone thinks and simply presents a tally of that information to those of us who lack pansophy.

Your deflection that some would ascribe emotionally-charged adjectives to similarly spread poll or election results serves no purpose. Except perhaps to display an inability to form a cogent counter-argument.

It does appear, in fact, that your entire post boils down to a waste of time and effort to simply say that you don't agree.

Good for you.

It is spelled "miscible" and not "miscable".

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 9:57:14 AM   
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Only republicans believe in conspiracy theories,....


To be one one,one must feel put upon and threated unfairly, without any evidence. Just a belief....One doesn`t even have to name names...Lame-blaming the "media" is enough to salve a loss....


It`s a great coping method for sore losers who must blame others to feel normal....sore losers who can`t explain their loss, without blaming someone/something else.


Besides being cowardly and lame.....it`s also intellectual dishonestly.......like cheating at solitaire.



What if for arguments sake, the reputation the geopee has is deserved and the polls are accurate? (They are btw)



What then?



Is the reality to much to take, therefore you must make up your own?




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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 10:12:50 AM   
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It needs no boiling to know that the post you have perhaps just made is not only a waste of time, but perhaps doesn't exhibit brains enough to pour piss out of a boot. And the simple notion: "and that a clear voice in support of an issue is not an equal voice of dissent against the opposition." is perhaps not one you understand or follow, since the idea seems to be that teabaggers are socialist when it comes to ideas, and their shopworn unworkable asswipe is considered egalitarian in nature (only by their socialist propaganda directly from the pen of Joseph Goebbels) and that honest consideration of dishonest asswipe is not a politically incorrect notion.

I repeat: if Romney has won 62% of the vote, and Obama 49% the teabbaggers would not find the relatively narrow gap to be indicative of there being plenty of dissention with the teabaggers; it would be touted as a rout, a slaughter, and a mandate. There certainly appear to be either: maths problems, or some form of multiple choices going on, so the assignment of the blame in proper perspectives are smoothed out so as to be perfectly unidentifiable.

So, for all the massive and ankle biting inaccuracies and outright hallucinations of projecting my motivations and views that you attribute to me without foundation in your post, I will just say; your post is horseshit, from front to back.

Thank you for correcting miscible (I often make typing mistakes), but I am not frangible about that.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 11:30:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Perhaps your lack of understanding has to do with your perhaps extremist nature. The deflection perhaps is solely yours. I believe in no omniscient nothing.


As you do not know me, your allusions to my nature are meaningless. I would have thought you might have been a bit more original in coming up with a way to attempt to insult me, but alas... it would appear not.

I did find your double negative construct to be amusing. I had no idea you were a spiritual man.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

It needs no boiling to know that the post you have perhaps just made is not only a waste of time, but perhaps doesn't exhibit brains enough to pour piss out of a boot. And the simple notion: "and that a clear voice in support of an issue is not an equal voice of dissent against the opposition." is perhaps not one you understand or follow, since the idea seems to be that teabaggers are socialist when it comes to ideas, and their shopworn unworkable asswipe is considered egalitarian in nature (only by their socialist propaganda directly from the pen of Joseph Goebbels) and that honest consideration of dishonest asswipe is not a politically incorrect notion.


Well... as my post appears very clearly on this site and you were able to read it, I wouldn't think there would be any question as to whether or not it had been made. But perhaps I've been giving you too much credit.

In regard to these "teabaggers" of whom you speak, I've no idea who they are so I would never be so presumptuous as to attempt to define their ideas.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I repeat: if Romney has won 62% of the vote, and Obama 49% the teabbaggers would not find the relatively narrow gap to be indicative of there being plenty of dissention with the teabaggers; it would be touted as a rout, a slaughter, and a mandate. There certainly appear to be either: maths problems, or some form of multiple choices going on, so the assignment of the blame in proper perspectives are smoothed out so as to be perfectly unidentifiable.


Typically repeating oneself will not alter reality, but who am I to deny you a chance?

As Romney did not defeat Obama, we'll never know, will we? You can make up whatever results you want and try to defend them, but it will not change their nature.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

So, for all the massive and ankle biting inaccuracies and outright hallucinations of projecting my motivations and views that you attribute to me without foundation in your post, I will just say; your post is horseshit, from front to back.


Yes, well... we all have opinions. I will defend your right to express yours.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Thank you for correcting miscible (I often make typing mistakes), but I am not frangible about that.


You're most welcome. I am glad you've affirmed that you are thick skinned, but I suspected so. Had I thought you were delicate, rest assured that I would not have brought the error to your attention in this public arena.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 11:35:36 AM   
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As Romney did not defeat Obama, we'll never know, will we? You can make up whatever results you want and try to defend them, but it will not change their nature.


We only need to recall the headlines when the teabaggers were voted into the house (along the lines of the 'WMD' lies) to put the lie to that bit of mendacity wrapped in buffoonery.



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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 11:43:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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As Romney did not defeat Obama, we'll never know, will we? You can make up whatever results you want and try to defend them, but it will not change their nature.


We only need to recall the headlines when the teabaggers were voted into the house (along the lines of the 'WMD' lies) to put the lie to that bit of mendacity wrapped in buffoonery.


It is still all in your head.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 11:48:02 AM   
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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 11:54:41 AM   
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I have one, and shoulders which rise beyond the prevaricating innocent tripe you are attempting to portray as a useful thought.


Could have fooled me.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 11:58:17 AM   
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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 1:08:14 PM   
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Shut down the government, but pay all the workers their full salaries to stay home.

"We want deficit reduction and spending decreases, but we also want to pay government workers for not working."

"We'll only 'negotiate' with Democrats while we pay government workers for not performing government services."

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 1:13:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Republican "leverage" is to default on the national debt and while paying federal workers to stay at home.

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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 1:17:31 PM   
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RE: The Republican Position - 10/9/2013 1:20:39 PM   
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It might work, because if the US defaults, it won't be liable to pay the workers for staying home and not doing their job. Thanks for pointing this out.

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