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Well if they should ever think they need firearms, they're obviously mistaken and have simply forgotten the wisdom that caused them to be rid of them in the first place. I think we should try to help them recover their senses, not just stiff them. Maybe we could ship them some nice posters, for example. Enough of these should get them back on track and solve the problem.

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To destroy perfectly good firearms is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.

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To destroy perfectly good human lives is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.

OK, in light of the thread-title, to recall: "Innocent bystander killed in SYG case" - which one of the above statements rings the more true - yours, the first one - or the second?

Just a thought. ;-)

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux
How about cars?

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I don't really give a rats ass about your gun control or your statistics. If you're happy with it, I'm tickled pink. You can have your cameras on every street corner too. I don't want them either. There was a time 30 or more years ago, here in the USA, that we didn't have a gun problem we have now and we had more guns per capita back then. There is a whole lot more to the gun problem than just gun availability.

The countless civilians being slaughtered are mostly drug gang related idiots shooting each other. And the way you use the term obsession is highly exaggerated. We don't display an obsession with guns until some crooked politician starts trying to take them away.

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To destroy perfectly good firearms is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.

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To destroy perfectly good human lives is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.

OK, in light of the thread-title, to recall: "Innocent bystander killed in SYG case" - which one of the above statements rings the more true - yours, the first one - or the second?

Just a thought. ;-)

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To declare

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: To destroy perfectly good firearms is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.

Is far worse,to any regular person, I would hope.

Who died and made you an expert on what a regular person is ? Maybe to you, the collection of firearms, from civilians who were prepared and then ready to sacrifice their lives to defend the country with them, only to destroy them is rational and normal. I disagree. At least they could have sent them back to where they came with a thank you note.

The guns didn't come from civillians, they were military supplies, not personal firearms.

And, by not returning them, we were hoping your gun-toting and illogical obsession with personal firearms might subside and make you see some real common sense.
Sadly, we couldn't do that and since then we see countless thousands every day being slaughtered by civilians with guns.

You only have to compare the numbers (deaths per 100,00 of population) -
UK: 0.25 (strict gun control)
Australia: 1.06 (strict gun control)
USA: 10.3 (no gun control)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

So the USA is 41x more dangerous with guns than the UK without them.
Take your pick; I know where the more rational decision was made.

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The next time your countrymen need firearms in an emergency, I'll think twice before making any donations.

Well if they should ever think they need firearms, they're obviously mistaken and have simply forgotten the wisdom that caused them to be rid of them in the first place. I think we should try to help them recover their senses, not just stiff them. Maybe we could ship them some nice posters, for example. Enough of these should get them back on track and solve the problem.



K.

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How about cars?

Pfft. We live in a capitalist system, Phydeaux. That, to me, is just one of the insane things that happens as a result.

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anyway as someone pointed out the topic was about a moron justified in an homicide not on gun control, and going nuts talking about possession control in any thread that is about gun usage makes you look obsessed.

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If you think to be safer when convicted criminals own guns than when they don't and people can with no consequences shoot whoever thay want in a public road from their front yard, you'll never feel better protected.

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No I didn't miss it Mr Genius. So what, who cares what the dates were ? I even read the part where you stated British equipment was abandoned, and again, so what ? It has nothing to do with the point and the fact that civilians were unarmed mostly because of your stupid gun control.

I know what O-V-E-R means and once again, so what ? The point was, and I apologize for not spelling it out for you, that not only did you go back to the same stupid gun control that required the need for Americans to send guns, but on top of that you destroyed them. To destroy perfectly good firearms is just about the most illogical, irrational, asinine misguided foolishness there is on the face of the earth.

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Got to say I loved the idea of the NRA being used as an unbiased source.

Got to say you obviously didn't read or even click on the links.

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Who died and made you an expert on what a regular person is ? Maybe to you, the collection of firearms, from civilians who were prepared and then ready to
Yeah, this is a pretty common fallacy that's pretty easy to defeat.
British gun deaths per capita went UP after the passage of gun laws. Markedly.

So the brits live on a small island, with controlled access. They have a more homogenous population. So they had markedly low rates of violence. This has no bearing therefore on whether gun laws are a good idea.

Switzerland requires gun ownership. With a per capita death rate of .52 it has lower death rates than most countries with gun control. Proving again - it aint the law.

Britain has markedly higher rates of violence than the US does. So you are many times more likely to get mugged or raped in the Uk than in the US.

Finally - gun ownership is increasing - violence by guns is decreasing.

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I just read this Mr. Scott court records... "fight crime shoot first" was sarcasm?

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What I meant is for our culture not prosecuting a person that shoots random cars driving/parked on a public road is like not prosecuting the rapist in UAE because he was justified under sharia's law. He took unnecessary risks and ended up killing an innocent person.

It was obvious what you meant but the idea of locking up the person who didn't commit a crime is the closer comparison.

I repeate the fact there is no law to prevent a person who collected 7 years of jail time convictions for illegal carry of handguns, illegal guns trade, drug possession with intention of distribution, handling stolen goods, stolen car possession, driving under suspension and domestic violence, to have a gun and just walk in an open area and shoot in the road to every passing car killing an innocent bystander and lie to police when qquestioned (I wonder why if he was so sure his actions were right) is absurd, insane and unfair. But if you feel safer for that way, organize posses and just kill anybody on the road seems suspect.

edit: he broke a law for any kind of crime: property, violent, drug, guns, traffic...

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Got to say I loved the idea of the NRA being used as an unbiased source.

Got to say you obviously didn't read or even click on the links.

Obviously, that is another word which you dont understand. Your first link was from the American Rifleman, official magazine to the NRA.

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What I meant is for our culture not prosecuting a person that shoots random cars driving/parked on a public road is like not prosecuting the rapist in UAE because he was justified under sharia's law. He took unnecessary risks and ended up killing an innocent person.

It was obvious what you meant but the idea of locking up the person who didn't commit a crime is the closer comparison.

I repeate the fact there is no law to prevent a person who collected 7 years of jail time convictions for illegal carry of handguns, illegal guns trade, drug possession with intention of distribution, handling stolen goods, stolen car possession, driving under suspension and domestic violence, to have a gun and just walk in an open area and shoot in the road to every passing car killing an innocent bystander and lie to police when qquestioned (I wonder why if he was so sure his actions were right) is absurd, insane and unfair. But if you feel safer for that way, organize posses and just kill anybody on the road seems suspect.

edit: he broke a law for any kind of crime: property, violent, drug, guns, traffic...

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Please forgive me, I dont know what the fuck I was thinking. It was stupid of me to point out chronological order, whilst talking about a timeline of events.

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Come to that, what the fuck were we Brits thinking. Bringing in gun controls so we have had less gun related massacres in 100 years than you have had in the last one or two. And imagine that, we destroy perfectly good guns in order to save the lives of people....... How crass is that.

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The only thing I have been able to find on a conviction is a man by the same name in Memphis are you sure that isn't who you are thinking about.