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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/25/2013 4:00:22 AM

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I too am a very tactile person, Lucy, but long term it does damage. Both to the senses and the mind. I mean yeah I can trip over touching, feeling, all sorts of things. From leather to hair to sensory dep. which I have done before to meditate. To say nothing of the fact that deeply dropping someone out of reality, then bringing them back, then dropping them again is a lot more fun than keeping them there all the time. It is like pain, or having an orgasm. Push it long enough and the body, as well as the mind, will shut off the ability to feel it...and what the hell is the fun is someone that can no longer feel it?

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/25/2013 6:13:50 AM

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Personally I prefer the I'm going to get medieval on your as*" line, does that mean I'm more into s/m?

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/25/2013 7:06:54 AM

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I don't have a fucking clue what this thread is about....... And I am thinking I don't want to know!........ Steps back slowly from the keyboard.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/25/2013 7:09:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

I too am a very tactile person, Lucy, but long term it does damage. Both to the senses and the mind. I mean yeah I can trip over touching, feeling, all sorts of things. From leather to hair to sensory dep. which I have done before to meditate. To say nothing of the fact that deeply dropping someone out of reality, then bringing them back, then dropping them again is a lot more fun than keeping them there all the time. It is like pain, or having an orgasm. Push it long enough and the body, as well as the mind, will shut off the ability to feel it...and what the hell is the fun is someone that can no longer feel it?

I agree with what you are saying MIP:)
I couldnt do it "long term" not with my pet anyway. Reality makes sure of that, he has health issues that do not allow for extended bondage/sens dep, for more than a few hours at a time, and im not into breaking him, I like to put all I can into a scene but after 6 hours of watching him in sens dep, I would wanna move onto something else, like regular hydration or food, or a shower, or bring him back to a shaking mess of horny.
If I were living it 24/7 with him, it would be different in many ways, I know his body well, but the time we have is compacted and too many fun things to do.
And while I am quite happy to read a book, or do some computer work, or watch tv while he is blissing... nah I like his company too much to do it for a long time period.
The fantasy is good, the reality, yah, been there, done that, and still have the stains!

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/25/2013 9:11:16 AM

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I think a female gimp would be hot.

They are. A long time ago, I had a playmate who did the gimp role for a very good reason. T. as I'll call her here, was a goody-good young Mormon woman with a couple of issues. The first was her upbringing, which wasn't necessarily a showstopper then and there, and the second was more logical.

T. suffered from acute facial acne in her teens, resulting in some pretty hideous scarring. We're talking the kind you need plastic surgery to correct here. She was (is) a smart, funny, and outgoing person that I worked with at a non-scene involved job and who'd come out to the clubs I worked at because I didn't judge her on her looks and frankly I'd protect her from the insensitive jerks who'd give her grief over it.

I don't know when, where, or who got her into that slice o' the scene, but when she got into it, she became a different person. Even though she had to assume a bottom role, she got more male attention in her gear than she ever did in normal appearance, and she was at that age when physical contact is desired.

I managed to convince the private club I worked at to admit her because "Hey, female gimp, how many do you have here?" was my argument (she really couldn't afford a full membership at her income level). Sounds cold and cruel the way I wrote that (third rewrite on this post already), but it was a case of 'you had to be there to understand'. We scened a couple times together, but she took the ball and ran with it when she found herself in an environment that allowed things like that.

T. became a totally different person in her gear, and I think that's the attraction for a lot of folks into the gimp subset. They're a faceless entity to others, and as a result, can sometimes get what they need internally by that very anonymity. Couple that with growing up in a culture that stressed obedience to an ideology, marriage, and child-rearing, along with other restrictions and limitations, and there was a 'freedom' in her choice to go that route.

To put it simply, in normal day wear, she was just a 20-something woman with bad skin working in a crappy job while dealing with her family whining about how she wasn't married and squirting out kids already. She'd already had one arranged marriage fall apart because the brethren loser they paired her with couldn't get over her face and bailed. In her gear, she was approached by a lot of guys at the club who got off on her choice of attire, and she got something she was missing out on.

Epehemeral to be sure, but that's how it went.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/25/2013 6:36:59 PM

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Future forum topic:

What does the gimp get out it?

For me personally, a stress free life, not having to be worried about the bills and work and everything in between. I've lived a rough, hard life. To be able to just relax for once in my life would be a dream and being Master's gimp and just having to do as I'm told....yeah, for me that's heaven. All I have to do is be whatever he wants. No worries, no stress, no more panic attacks, etc......just relaxation and contentedness.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/26/2013 9:36:39 PM

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I'm not the most experienced at this as the longest I've done this were periods of three the four days. I was hooded for the duration, with earplugs, and 90% of time immobilized. Time was needed for bathroom breaks and dinner, though I certainly was not in the best state and needed a good shower after.

Total induced blindness after a day means I start hallucinating, but not in the scary movie sense, just weird spaces, colors, shapes, and enduring sense of a room illuminated with bluish light.

There is a big disconnect between how it looks and how it feels. In general it's extremely relaxing, if never altogether comfortable. A lot of BDSM play seems to be focused on intensifying the experience but the time factor on this makes it different: bondage for a few minutes triggers the flight or fight response, bondage for a day is numbing, anesthetic, drifty-dreamy. It's as though when your brain really realizes that there's no escape it puts on a screensaver.

I don't think I could do this as a lifestyle - it's one interesting experience in a life full of interest - but I'd happily do it for a couple weeks as a one-time thing.

What doms gets out of it I have no clue. This is extremely non-interactive, holes and sundry aside.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/27/2013 8:31:43 PM

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How the hell does anyone with allergies breathe in a hood?
All I can think of is panicking because I'd be struggling to get enough air in.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/27/2013 8:53:44 PM

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You folks miss the point.It's not about the getup, it's about the total control.
Any idiot can buy some leather, put a gal in it, snap a shot. There's no art there. Sure there's lots of restriction, sensory deprivation and long term bondage,but that's almost secondary. The main point is to reduce a person to an it, a piece of meat full of holes that scream and moisten for entry and abuse
For me it's not about a gal in a latex suit. It's about keeping her caged,bound, limited. It's about the control,in many ways,shapes and forms, but it is equally,if not more, about the surrender,about taking a gal to a point where she's willing to let go absolutely. It's about an act of utter surrender, an act of such extremism that even peeps in societies populated by uber-freaky folk blink.
And you just know, as in know to the core of your bones, that with a surrender that extreme,I'm gonna pull equally extreme acts. I know it. She knows it...which is kinda why she's hesitating...and what makes the whole concept so attractive to me.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/27/2013 9:39:26 PM

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I find pulling this off very curious, since the circumstances could lead to psychological damage, and at worst a loss of ability to provide meaningful consent.

I don't even mean this in terms of long term sensory deprivation, though more in absolute letting go.

Also, while some aspects could definitely deepen the relationship, other aspects of the relationship could be lost.

I dunno, if it was me I'd build in some check in time, and also drop the individual in and out of it. Give it a time limit, that the gimp may or may not know, potentially a week, a month, etc.

I'd also set some psychological parameters and monitor them pretty regularly.

In non consensual situations this sort of thing can cause some devastating damage to sense of self. sensory integration, core identity, initiative, and other important shit. A lot of this damage is equally caused by circumstances, rather than by trauma that led and causes those circumstances.

Interesting.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/28/2013 1:41:58 AM

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Actually, gimp attire might come in handy here on the Farm. The weather is getting colder, and while in other settings wearing so much leather or rubber would make for a hot and sweaty gimp, here as the weather drops below 40*F it would actually offer some insulation against the wind and cold.
Hmmmm....I'll have to think about this.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/28/2013 4:12:56 AM

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I'm sorry, Kana, but I do not feel as if I am missing the point. The kind of depth and devotion you are talking about is something I expect from anyone I would allow to be part of my life. The act of surrender you speak about sounds the same to me as well. Maybe it has something to do with my being female but I don't see surrender or devotion as having anything to do with wet wanton holes. Those are a matter of the body when I would rather deal with the mind and though it might sound amusing I have seen up close and personal what a person turns into when they give up their mind. It is not pretty, sexual, or a game. It is nasty, dirty, and painful to look at.
As for making the freaky folk blink.....yeah, no. That lady I spoke of before. When I saw her I did not blink and was not shocked but I did tell her "owner" that he was an intolerable excuse for a human. Which is really sad seeing as I don't care for most humans anyway.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/28/2013 6:49:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: sheisreeds

I find pulling this off very curious, since the circumstances could lead to psychological damage, and at worst a loss of ability to provide meaningful consent.

I don't even mean this in terms of long term sensory deprivation, though more in absolute letting go.

Also, while some aspects could definitely deepen the relationship, other aspects of the relationship could be lost.

I dunno, if it was me I'd build in some check in time, and also drop the individual in and out of it. Give it a time limit, that the gimp may or may not know, potentially a week, a month, etc.

I'd also set some psychological parameters and monitor them pretty regularly.

In non consensual situations this sort of thing can cause some devastating damage to sense of self. sensory integration, core identity, initiative, and other important shit. A lot of this damage is equally caused by circumstances, rather than by trauma that led and causes those circumstances.

Interesting.

Well crap Reeds-you know me in real life.I won't move until I'm sure and even then,I'll be cautious. I don't do serious things w/o thinking them through thoroughly,exploring all possible options or connotations and checking back in on a regular basis.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/28/2013 6:52:48 PM

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I know that, and this is seriously an interesting thing to be working towards, and I know matter what she just won't be an it, even if you don't say so for a long time.

This is the kinda thing that can be done right, with lots of logistics.

And honestly sounds like perhaps a good use of a kink aware therapist, or journaling. Just a third source to knock on the door and make sure she's still answering. As within the dynamic it may take time to figure out what is reliable.

You know me, psych nerd, and this kinda stuff applies whenever shit gets deep.

Doesn't really matter the how or what of it.

We go through long phases when we're 24/7 on the edgier end of our flow, and it's the same shit then. Mind fuck central, which is part of the beauty of it. It's on the other side of that where you find out what you're made of.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/28/2013 7:04:03 PM

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meh...he already has to knock on the door to still see if I'm still inside. heh

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/28/2013 7:09:21 PM

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That's what I mean, it's not a whole lot different.

I don't know all these taboo topics when actually broken down and applied sensibly, are so far from.

Given that my dynamic is so off the beaten track, and I get sick of everyone trying to figure out how it works, and at worst with their phones out calling the domestic violence hotline.

I tend to figure think more on the sensible logistics than flipping out.

However, yeah this kinda thing can easily turn into all out abuse, but usually it was that from the start anyways. It's all about where the motivations start.

That's where my mind goes in MissImmortalPain's example.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/28/2013 7:17:03 PM

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There's always going to be people who don't like the way Master and I operate. We've already has sneers and stares at us from people because I will walk behind him (usually because I can't keep up with him though

) or wait for him to start eating first and such or because he's off doing something without me or I'm doing something for him. Hell I'm pretty sure people think he's the one leaving all my bruises and twisted foot lately instead of me just being extra clumsy lately. lol

But what can ya do? You just go on with your life and you don't concern yourself about it. I know I don't.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/28/2013 8:00:17 PM

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Yeah, and so long as it's a kink friendly event the whole white knight scoop her up and send her to the house of ruth fantasy ends pretty fast when I kick my other half in the nuts.

This thread is particularly hilarious to me since we recently picked up a black zentai suit at walmart of all places for completely non kinky purposes, rather really geeky cosplsay ones.

Though finally for the first time in forever we're headed to a dungeon and fuck it if we're going to haul ass to finish costumes that were super expensive to make, and tons of time, when we'd just destroy them.

So we have a dali-esque psuedo gimp thing for him going on with the zentai suit instead. So whenever I see this thread I giggle. And then try to figure out what the hell I'm gonna do with it.

Seriously, full zentai suits at walmart, of course no crotch zippers, but really? Why?

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/28/2013 8:14:26 PM

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I saw them at Target. They are apparently popular with the Cosplay kids. I'm assuming there's a manga or anime character who wears one.

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RE: Bring out the Gimp - 10/28/2013 8:28:24 PM

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I skimmed this thread a bit and I am seeing a lot of indicators that people might think this type of play is abusive. My partner is a kind and loving person who is well-rounded and esteemed highly in her work outside of what I share here. She never had any interest or desire for anything less than a very strict level of objectification. It isn't entirely sexual either - she feels best when serving in a role in which she is useful in some manner that is pleasing to her 'owner'. Every day I feel fortunate that she trusted me enough to give up this much power to me and for that I am thankful.

This doesn't have to be abuse any more than swatting the bottom of a consenting partner.

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