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farglebargle -> The crazies would destroy america than let women decide their own healthcare. (10/14/2013 8:49:02 AM)

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2013/10/14/u-s-default-low-price-to-pay-for-banning-birth-control-according-to-catholic-bishops-and-paul-ryan/

Remember, ARTIFICIAL LEGAL ENTITIES DO NOT HAVE RELIGIONS.

They're fictions. On paper. For tax benefits, mostly, and limiting personal liability.





RottenJohnny -> RE: The crazies would destroy america than let women decide their own healthcare. (10/14/2013 12:31:11 PM)

Why is it that those on the left will defend a woman's right to make her own healthcare choices but when I defend my right to make my own healthcare choices by disagreeing with Obamacare, I'm considered a selfish son-of-a-bitch?

Seems kind of hypocritical to me.





Yachtie -> RE: The crazies would destroy america than let women decide their own healthcare. (10/14/2013 12:37:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

Why is it that those on the left will defend a woman's right to make her own healthcare choices but when I defend my right to make my own healthcare choices by disagreeing with Obamacare, I'm considered a selfish son-of-a-bitch?

Seems kind of hypocritical to me.





Bend over, stick your head up your ass, and you'll see it differently. Just look at any liberal. [:D]




Lucylastic -> RE: The crazies would destroy america than let women decide their own healthcare. (10/14/2013 3:00:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

Why is it that those on the left will defend a woman's right to make her own healthcare choices but when I defend my right to make my own healthcare choices by disagreeing with Obamacare, I'm considered a selfish son-of-a-bitch?

Seems kind of hypocritical to me.



quite honestly, its AGAINST those who would take away womens reproductive rights not all our health care, but dont let that get in your way of making similar ridiculous analogies




Yachtie -> RE: The crazies would destroy america than let women decide their own healthcare. (10/14/2013 3:12:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

Why is it that those on the left will defend a woman's right to make her own healthcare choices but when I defend my right to make my own healthcare choices by disagreeing with Obamacare, I'm considered a selfish son-of-a-bitch?

Seems kind of hypocritical to me.



quite honestly, its AGAINST those who would take away womens reproductive rights not all our health care, but dont let that get in your way of making similar ridiculous analogies



Ah, the subset gambit. Well played. [8D] The simple fact is RJ is right. You will not defend his right to make his own choices, preferring instead he do as you desire he do. The nature of the choice is irrelevant to the freedom to make it.

That is inescapable.




kalikshama -> RE: The crazies would destroy america than let women decide their own healthcare. (10/14/2013 3:14:27 PM)

Ah, that provides the context I needed.

From your link:

Across town, at the U.S. Capitol, Ryan, who chairs the House Budget Committee, was making the most of the moment by rallying his troops in the House to do the bishops’ bidding.

Earlier in the day, Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME), presented a plan for a compromise deal (later rejected by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid) that would have funded the government through March, ending the current partial government shutdown, and delayed until January the showdown on the debt ceiling—which needs to be raised by October 17, according to Treasury Secretary Jack Lew, in order to avert a financial crisis. Ryan, the Washington Post reported, was having none of it. One big reason: birth control. Specifically, the contraception benefit in the Affordable Care Act (ACA), to which the bishops object.

In a closed-door meeting with his fellow House Republicans, Ryan reportedly “riled” up his colleagues with a speech opposing the Collins compromise, finding no benefit in the extension of deadlines to alleviate the current crisis.


Elizabeth Warren on the Government's Hostage Tactics on Birth Control

Posted on Oct 1, 2013

As the government was on the verge of shutting down, the Massachusetts Democrat began her speech on the Senate floor Monday by exclaiming she was in a “state of disbelief.” After a litany of the dismal conditions the country will face during a government shutdown in an “economic recovery still far too fragile,” Warren says angrily, “Republicans have decided that the single most important issue facing our nation is to change the law so that employers can deny women access birth control coverage…in the year 2013. Not the year 1913—the year 2013.”

In other words, GOP, wake up and smell the democratic coffee. In the year 2013, women have rights, and one of these rights, upheld by U.S. law, is the ability to obtain contraception without fear of excessive costs that have led women to make choices about their bodies based on money rather than health. The inimitable Warren declares, “I have a daughter and I have granddaughters, and I will never vote to let a group of backward thinking ideologues cut women’s access to birth control. We have lived in that world and we are not going back. Not ever.”

She adds that these ridiculous threats may continue, but they will not change the reality of American democracy, in which the law is the rule of the land. And that law includes the Affordable Care Act. Republicans, she reminds us, are merely desperate, grasping at straws because they’ve failed to win elections or pass the outdated laws they’ve proposed. Because “hostage tactics are the last resort for those who can’t otherwise win their fights through elections, can’t win their fights in Congress, can’t win their fights for the presidency, and can’t win their fights in courts.”

And as long as Warren is in the same rink, fighting back, keeping the best interests of American women and men in mind, Republicans will not prevail with their cheap shots and childish tantrums. Not ever.

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Lucylastic -> RE: The crazies would destroy america than let women decide their own healthcare. (10/14/2013 3:25:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

Why is it that those on the left will defend a woman's right to make her own healthcare choices but when I defend my right to make my own healthcare choices by disagreeing with Obamacare, I'm considered a selfish son-of-a-bitch?

Seems kind of hypocritical to me.



quite honestly, its AGAINST those who would take away womens reproductive rights not all our health care, but dont let that get in your way of making similar ridiculous analogies



Ah, the subset gambit. Well played. [8D] The simple fact is RJ is right. You will not defend his right to make his own choices, preferring instead he do as you desire he do. The nature of the choice is irrelevant to the freedom to make it.

That is inescapable.

subset gambit my arse

wrong wrong and wrong....
he can make his choice.... I havent called him a selfish bastard, im not taking his physical choices away, They arent forcing you to undergo a personal physical procedure, OR denying you a physical choice of medication...for religious morality
where have I NOT defended his right to make his own choice????
ANd no, its NOT irrelevant...how bloody ignorant and facetious




Yachtie -> RE: The crazies would destroy america than let women decide their own healthcare. (10/14/2013 3:53:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny

Why is it that those on the left will defend a woman's right to make her own healthcare choices but when I defend my right to make my own healthcare choices by disagreeing with Obamacare, I'm considered a selfish son-of-a-bitch?

Seems kind of hypocritical to me.



quite honestly, its AGAINST those who would take away womens reproductive rights not all our health care, but dont let that get in your way of making similar ridiculous analogies



Ah, the subset gambit. Well played. [8D] The simple fact is RJ is right. You will not defend his right to make his own choices, preferring instead he do as you desire he do. The nature of the choice is irrelevant to the freedom to make it.

That is inescapable.

subset gambit my arse

wrong wrong and wrong....
he can make his choice.... I havent called him a selfish bastard, im not taking his physical choices away, They arent forcing you to undergo a personal physical procedure, OR denying you a physical choice of medication...for religious morality
where have I NOT defended his right to make his own choice????
ANd no, its NOT irrelevant...how bloody ignorant and facetious


If only you could argue your way out of a paper bag. To do so effectively, you must first identify the issue being argued.

Did he say you had called him a selfish bastard? Was his comment about you? I do not believe he did. I believe he was responding to the OP. You respond as if he had though, pointing to yourself. Tsk Tsk. [8|]

Let me quote RJ -

Why is it that those on the left will defend a woman's right to make her own healthcare choices but when I defend my right to make my own healthcare choices ... I'm considered a selfish son-of-a-bitch?


Just how might RJ wish to embody his choice? Why, by disagreeing with Obamacare.

Yours is but flailing about.




Lucylastic -> RE: The crazies would destroy america than let women decide their own healthcare. (10/14/2013 4:21:38 PM)

[8|] yes dear, you are right dear, every time dear...
[8D]
leaving before I do myself a mischief




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