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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 9:02:05 AM   
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Why is it that some people have, as an article of faith, that the bad guys will hit what they aim at and the good guys will always hit the wrong person.

That is not the premis.
The premis is that the terrorist knows who the terrorist are and so anyone not in their gang is a target.
The armed citizen has no idea who the agressors are and consequently will shoot at anyone who displays a gun.
How does one tell who is the "bad guy" when no one is uniformed?

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 10:20:40 AM   
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What does it mean missing the target in a crowded place?


Define missing please.

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 10:33:40 AM   
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The police miss their targets too. Not only that but it takes them time to get there.

Everyone misses sometimes but some chance is better than no chance.


More chance to do what? Raise the panic level? Endanger hostages? Get shot yourself? What does it mean missing the target in a crowded place? It means killing someone else!
Real life is not a movie from the "die hard" serie where you can get down a military helicopter with a car, if you have a strategic disadvantage you'd better stay calm, if they don't want to take hostages but just generate chaos than or you won't have a chance anyway as they will use a bomb, terrorist are not teenagers in a school massacre.


Good grief, if terrorists are shooting the place up, how can the panic level get any higher because of an armed response.

We're not talking about bombs. If its a bomb it is what it is.
If the terrorists are cruising around the mall in a helicopter then all ya gotta do is hit the driver right between the eyes before he can drop a nuke. What's so hard about that ?


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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 11:30:39 AM   
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The police miss their targets too. Not only that but it takes them time to get there.

Everyone misses sometimes but some chance is better than no chance.


An when you miss and your opponent doesn't, he will now have your gun. He will be thankful that you just aided his cause.

Left wing fantasy. If you count on missing you shouldn't be carrying in the first place.
When I hit and take his gun I am better equipped to deal with his "friends".

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 11:36:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		No what I meant is:
1) In a crowded and cahotical situation having more armed civilians can have a resuolt from none to raising the number of victims.
2) Telling arming citizens can protect from terrorist attacks on "soft targets" how they are called in the article is like telling a child to defend against a nuclear attack to "duck and cover"

to me the article sounds like "usa people don't stop shopping in malls, we are not a soft target like kenya"

Do you realize that
A In the situation being discussed the intent is to kill everyone
and
B The alternative to resistance is to wait your turn to be murdered?

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 12:03:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		to me the article sounds like "usa people don't stop shopping in malls, we are not a soft target like kenya

Are you aware that this came from Interpol?

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 12:18:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's a plitician (because it's one of that jobs you are nominated for political reasons) from the usa talking in an exclusive interview for ABC news, he was talking just to americans.

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 12:30:03 PM   
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No what I meant is:
1) In a crowded and cahotical situation having more armed civilians can have a resuolt from none to raising the number of victims.
2) Telling arming citizens can protect from terrorist attacks on "soft targets" how they are called in the article is like telling a child to defend against a nuclear attack to "duck and cover"

to me the article sounds like "usa people don't stop shopping in malls, we are not a soft target like kenya"

Do you realize that
A In the situation being discussed the intent is to kill everyone
and
B The alternative to resistance is to wait your turn to be murdered?


a group of around 17 persons resisting for two days and making 63 victims (and there were more than 63 persons), or it's a hostage situation or in somalia are very very slow shooters if they wanted to kill anyone.

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 12:43:41 PM   
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It's a plitician (because it's one of that jobs you are nominated for political reasons) from the usa talking in an exclusive interview for ABC news, he was talking just to americans.



are you saying he was APPOINTED to that job?

not according to this

Ronald K. Noble was elected Secretary General by the 69th INTERPOL General Assembly in Rhodes, Greece, in 2000, and was unanimously reelected to a second five-year term by the 74th INTERPOL General Assembly in Berlin, Germany, in 2005.

http://www.worldaffairs.org/speakers/profile/ronald-noble.html

talking to JUST AMERICANS? reallly? ohh yeah right cause the rest of the world doesn't have access to this interview!

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 1:11:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not saying he's no good or not qualified for the job, I just say that being in charge of an international agency is something that comes from a diplomatic discussion, usa governament propose it's man for the job france will do the same and UK and germany etc. then they try to find votes till someone is elected, how can you be so naive if you don't have political support you don't get the job! I won't be surprised if he will run for an office in the usa when his second term will end.

No news site in any other language reposted it, so if you don't read news daily from ABC website, or you don't happen in a forum with a P&R section, you won't know about his interview outside the usa.

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 2:01:29 PM   
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I'm not saying he's no good or not qualified for the job, I just say that being in charge of an international agency is something that comes from a diplomatic discussion, usa governament propose it's man for the job france will do the same and UK and germany etc. then they try to find votes till someone is elected, how can you be so naive if you don't have political support you don't get the job! I won't be surprised if he will run for an office in the usa when his second term will end.

No news site in any other language reposted it, so if you don't read news daily from ABC website, or you don't happen in a forum with a P&R section, you won't know about his interview outside the usa.



well thats not how it sounded, is sure sounded like you were saying he's just a shill, who got his job by kissing the right asses...

as for your explination of how he got elected, well thats how ALL elections work, so either you are saying he is LEGIT, or that ALL elected officals got there by kissing the right asses.

what other method do you suggest, putting names in a hat and picking one at radom?

I don't see the point you are or were trying to make.

as to wether he runs for some office in the usa, probably! what, you think when he is done there he plans to just go home and eat dounuts the rest of his life?

no other news site in another launguage posted it, sounds more like censorship to me, as opposed to you implying he didn't want the world to hear what he said.

he doesn't get to control who reposts the interviews and in what languages, that doesn't mean he intended NO ONE ELSE to hear the interview!

the point I am making is what you said in that post is pointless, and you just appear as anti gun and will belittle anyone who speaks out in opposition of your views.

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 2:39:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		In other countries he would be hardly criticized (if not laughed) from such a speech, so it's not censorship belive me, this is just a meaningless speech, because that will never happen and I'm sure the guy is no fool so he knows, it has appeal just in the usa, that was what I meant. You can think it's because I'm anty gun I don't care, I made my point you can think whatever you want.

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 2:45:52 PM   
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"For me it's a profound question," he continued. "People are quick to say 'gun control, people shouldn't be armed,' etc., etc. I think they have to ask themselves: 'Where would you have wanted to be? In a city where there was gun control and no citizens armed if you're in a Westgate mall, or in a place like Denver or Texas?'"

Can't say I disagree. But he'd find himself argued to death by many here in this forum.



For me, there's another place I'd rather be... if it were limited to those choices, frankly I'd be torn.

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 2:50:45 PM   
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In other countries he would be hardly criticized (if not laughed) from such a speech, so it's not censorship belive me, this is just a meaningless speech, because that will never happen and I'm sure the guy is no fool so he knows, it has appeal just in the usa, that was what I meant. You can think it's because I'm anty gun I don't care, I made my point you can think whatever you want.


sorry but censorship by defintion is refusing to allow opposing views to be heard, soo yeahh it is...
if you feel others would just laugh then no harm no foul right?

so you think this was just a PEP talk for the benefit of americans, yanno cause WE need a pep talk on being PRO GUN!

lets just say you are right, it was just an american PEP TALK. what would be his motive?

if I read that right, he was elected in 2000 1st term, relected in 2005 second term of 5 years soo he must now be in in the middle of his 3rd term, ending in 2015, guess he is just drumming up support for his US POLITICAL CAREER eh?

wouldn't it have been better to make this campaign speech late 2014 when it was closer to time for him to start trying to find a new US JOB? ya know so it would still be fresher in the minds of the voters.

I know you don't care what I think of you, as well you shouldn't!
I just thought you might like to know how you appear when you slam a guy with pointless accusations

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 3:10:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It can also be a speech to minimize the impact of the attack's images in the usa, what I meant is in european countries it would not have any effect for that purpose, and it's a kind of speech person who have political roles do. if it's a pep talk maybe it's for finding founds to support the campaing if all terms are ending in 2014?

There is a difference between opposing and not caring, we have many parties with different opinions and programs and all have access to the press, if someone could use this speech it would be heard loud and clear.

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RE: Interpol - 10/23/2013 3:22:01 PM   
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It can also be a speech to minimize the impact of the attack's images in the usa, what I meant is in european countries it would not have any effect for that purpose, and it's a kind of speech person who have political roles do. if it's a pep talk maybe it's for finding founds to support the campaing if all terms are ending in 2014?

There is a difference between opposing and not caring, we have many parties with different opinions and programs and all have access to the press, if someone could use this speech it would be heard loud and clear.


soo now you think he is SPOKES PERSON for PRO GUN politians?
ok, certianly possible

and since they cannot USE IT, or OPPOSE IT, they suppress it, that IS censorship!

when a prominant figure says something and you think is laughable you repost it and ridcule him and laugh at him, the only reason to not post ANYTHING is if you fear whats been said.

the last thing countries with total gun bans want is thier people to hear a pro gun person MAKE SENSE!

I am not even saying he DOES MAKE SENSE, just saying the ONLY reason to supress a story is if you for some reason FEAR IT!

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RE: Interpol - 10/24/2013 6:02:16 PM   
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It's a plitician (because it's one of that jobs you are nominated for political reasons) from the usa talking in an exclusive interview for ABC news, he was talking just to americans.

Actually he was talking to open societies of the west.

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RE: Interpol - 10/24/2013 6:05:15 PM   
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No what I meant is:
1) In a crowded and cahotical situation having more armed civilians can have a resuolt from none to raising the number of victims.
2) Telling arming citizens can protect from terrorist attacks on "soft targets" how they are called in the article is like telling a child to defend against a nuclear attack to "duck and cover"

to me the article sounds like "usa people don't stop shopping in malls, we are not a soft target like kenya"

Do you realize that
A In the situation being discussed the intent is to kill everyone
and
B The alternative to resistance is to wait your turn to be murdered?


a group of around 17 persons resisting for two days and making 63 victims (and there were more than 63 persons), or it's a hostage situation or in somalia are very very slow shooters if they wanted to kill anyone.

Oh well I guess you should just cooperate and hope you aren't one of the chosen.
After all terrorists won't hurt anyone they didn't have to will you, after all terrorist means upset but basically harmless.

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RE: Interpol - 10/24/2013 6:12:19 PM   
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I'm not saying he's no good or not qualified for the job, I just say that being in charge of an international agency is something that comes from a diplomatic discussion, usa governament propose it's man for the job france will do the same and UK and germany etc. then they try to find votes till someone is elected, how can you be so naive if you don't have political support you don't get the job! I won't be surprised if he will run for an office in the usa when his second term will end.

No news site in any other language reposted it, so if you don't read news daily from ABC website, or you don't happen in a forum with a P&R section, you won't know about his interview outside the usa.

That is because it was politically incorrect.

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RE: Interpol - 10/24/2013 6:16:55 PM   
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"For me it's a profound question," he continued. "People are quick to say 'gun control, people shouldn't be armed,' etc., etc. I think they have to ask themselves: 'Where would you have wanted to be? In a city where there was gun control and no citizens armed if you're in a Westgate mall, or in a place like Denver or Texas?'"

Can't say I disagree. But he'd find himself argued to death by many here in this forum.



For me, there's another place I'd rather be... if it were limited to those choices, frankly I'd be torn.

Duh, everyone but those sweet misunderstood terrorist would rather be somewhere else.
You would rather not have a kitchen fire, does that mean that you are an idiot if you have a fire extinguisher.

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