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ShaharThorne -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/23/2013 6:09:30 PM)

The winning coach used all his players and still won. What clips I saw of the game, there was no bullying. I just see a man crying foul because his kid was not on the winning team.



eulero83 -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/24/2013 2:16:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

On any given day, any given team can beat any other given team. My son's team lost overwhelmingly to the other top team in the district the first time they played. But when they met the second time, his team won by a landslide. Looking at their stats though, we should have expected highly contested games each time coming down to the wire. You can't tell what makes the difference.

This is assuming that when they redrew the districts so the kids don't have to go so far to play, that they are up against other schools of the same size. If there's only one city within three hours and the rest are small towns with tiny student bodies to draw from, that's just unfair. You want the school's to be about the same size so they can all pick from the same number of kids instead of taking whoever wants to play, just to have 11 warm bodies on the bench.

Although my son's year, most of the team were seniors and therefore bigger and stronger than teams comprised mainly of younger kids who weren't nearly as full grown. When they played a school with almost no seniors on the team, they did win by a landslide. The theory is that with the same number of kids to choose from that won't happen much.


We don't have high school teams, if you want to do a sport you sign up in a club and play for that team in your free time, so it happens that in an area there is a good team where all the best player go and others where the less skilled go, it is normal that when the good team meets the last appealing team also the goal keeper scores (it considered the biggest humiliation in soccer), they are also seeded by school size so I really don't know what they can complain, they should train harder or play other sports.



jlf1961 -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/24/2013 7:06:35 AM)

Well the story has gone national, everyone including GMA doing stories on the "bullying" charge made by a parent of a player on the losing team.

Mercy rule, anyone? Maybe it’s needed, even in Texas

The losing coach could have asked for the game to be stopped, but then he would have had to tell his team that they are not playing anymore because they are not good enough.

Concerning the mercy rule, this is where I am torn. I grew up and played organized sports with a simple philosophy, "it is not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game."

It is one thing to lose when you arent making an effort, but when you lose doing your best, you can at least say you tried your best, then make an effort to improve your ability.



KYsissy -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/24/2013 7:13:52 AM)

I played grade school football. We had 13 kids on the team. 6,7and 8th grade. It was a small school. We played a much larger school most of their guys towered over us. We prepared for an ass kicking and we got one. Their size and number of players did it. But at half time, the score was 7-0. So that was our victory. That they didn't steamroll us for the first half and only scored once.



eulero83 -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/24/2013 7:54:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The losing coach could have asked for the game to be stopped, but then he would have had to tell his team that they are not playing anymore because they are not good enough.

Concerning the mercy rule, this is where I am torn. I grew up and played organized sports with a simple philosophy, "it is not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game."

It is one thing to lose when you arent making an effort, but when you lose doing your best, you can at least say you tried your best, then make an effort to improve your ability.


I've been always told the same, there is no shame in loosing but there is in cheating or giving up. For what I heard in the video the winnign team didn't bragged or even celebrated after the game so calling it bullism minimize the real issue bullism is.



Moonlightmaddnes -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/24/2013 10:42:31 AM)

Some parents of children who play sports scare me. My 8 year old did cheering this year for the mighty might football games. There was a huge fight on facebook and verbal around town over... get this... Parents who cheer too loud for their own kids at the games!!

The whole thing on facebook was entertaining for about 5 minutes. Some people were pulling out the popcorn to watch the show. Me I hid everyone who was involved in this 3 day long facebook fight.

What really scared me is one of the people I hid was my daughters volleyball coach. I almost asked them if they graduated out of Jr High yet but then all that b/s just would have started on me so I hid people instead.

Children's sports are not what they used to be it seems. When I was a kid it was about having fun and doing your best. I teach that to my children. I seem to be the rare parent that is there to watch the kids have fun and while winning would be nice it isn't the most important thing.



LafayetteLady -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/24/2013 5:46:37 PM)

The losing team had to be REALLY bad for a score like that. I'm not a huge football fanand that score amounts to 13 touchdowns and extra poits but geez! That's like the losing team just watched from the field and did nothing.



eulero83 -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/25/2013 3:27:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

The losing team had to be REALLY bad for a score like that. I'm not a huge football fanand that score amounts to 13 touchdowns and extra poits but geez! That's like the losing team just watched from the field and did nothing.


I don't think they are bad in an absolute way, I looked online and the winning team was like three times state champion in the last 5 years and there are around 240 teams, so differences can be huge between the top 10 teams and the bottom half of the teams, and there is not a draft system like in NFL where the worse teams can choose the best rookies, the best shools will invest more in the football program and so have even more resoults, I don't know what would happen if one of the top 10 NFL teams would face one of the the average college or minor leagues team, but I doubt there would be a different outcome.



jlf1961 -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/25/2013 5:23:19 AM)

Western Hills season record

More on the story here.

Looking at Western Hills record, the school has never been a power house football school. However, football would seem to be the least of their problems, as seen here.

If you compare it to Aledo high school you can see that Aledo has a stronger academic success than Western hills.

I dont know if there is a correlation between academics and sports success, but it would seem, at least in my opinion, that Aledo High School either has a lot of success driven students, or the district has a higher than average IQ.



eulero83 -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/25/2013 5:45:35 AM)

I read the article you posted and there was something that I noted, aledo has 45 seniors (around 18 years old?), a team in american football is like 50 players with backups, isn't it? so what happens to yunger students do they get trained in football, too? do they have to play in a private club if they can't compete with seniors during try outs in order to practise that sport?



jlf1961 -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/25/2013 6:18:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: eulero83

I read the article you posted and there was something that I noted, aledo has 45 seniors (around 18 years old?), a team in american football is like 50 players with backups, isn't it? so what happens to yunger students do they get trained in football, too? do they have to play in a private club if they can't compete with seniors during try outs in order to practise that sport?


Actually, there are first, second and third strings, not so much as ratings for players, but experience. Competitive school sports like football start in elementary school, around age eleven. Kids interested in sports usually start then and continue through high school.

In high school you have varsity and junior varsity, and a freshman team (in some schools.) Varsity is admittedly the best players in the school, but moving from JV to varsity is not unheard of.

My personal experience was a bit different, when I went to freshman tryouts, I was chosen for the varsity team, and was a starter for all four years in high school. Again, not uncommon.

With Aledo having such a high number of seniors (17 to 18) on the starting teams, next year is going to be tough. And as the article stated, in Texas High School football is played according to college rules. Unfortunately, sports is the only ticket to college for many high school students.



eulero83 -> RE: I am a little torn about this.... (10/25/2013 7:02:50 AM)

but junior and freshman varsities comepte in different championship or do they just practise?



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