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Moonhead -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/30/2013 10:21:59 AM)

No argument with most of that, but I'd question that the glamorisation of drugs in pop culture is over. It's not necessarily musicians doing that anymore, of course, but you still get a lot of that. (These days it's more stand up comics and actors.)
And really, you'll always get a few middle class kids with an interest in slumming. Not even John Lydon could do away with the vicarious thrills available from a cheap holiday in other people's misery.



Domnotlooking -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/30/2013 11:12:44 AM)

....Of course, musical legacy-predicting is a mug's game.

Circa '86, I had a very valuable Pat Benatar picture disc (so shoot me) and virtually worthless King Tubby dub plate. I saw the Benatar monstrosity on the wall of a East Village record store going for $100 at the time; the Tubby acetate was something I found in someone's trash.

These days, I could maybe get $20 for the Benatar from some skinny tie type who'd likely make it into a wall clock. The Tubby disc could probably get at least a couple of hundred and probably get framed like it was a Rembrant.

Who would make a King Tubby bet against the queen of coloratura passion? Who could foresee that a mere ENGINEER in a third world joke of studio would come out on top? Future tastes will always surprise.

Maybe Lou Reed's best days of appreciation are ahead of him.

But as per above, I doubt it.



PeonForHer -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/30/2013 5:06:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: NoBimbosAllowed
Meanwhile, I just love the fact that Blonderfluff looks like a sexier version of one of the naughtiest sexy Brit Actresses, Celia Imrie!

Seriously, get a photo of Celia smiling, from ten or 15 years ago, and compare the pics!


Yes, I always thought Major Margaret 'Hotlips' Houlihan from MASH looked quite like Celia, myself. I always wondered what Blonderfluff did after finishing that most excellent series.

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Moonhead -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/30/2013 5:08:19 PM)

Aren't dub plates (playable ones at least) pretty valuable, even if they aren't by somebody who's been dead for a quarter of a century?



Apocalypso -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/31/2013 4:33:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Domnotlooking
The VU were indeed massively influencial (but seldom played much these days in this house), but he produced a lot barrel scraping stinker albums after that. The live ones with Alice Cooper's guitarist, Steve Hunter, a bit of Street Hassle and Sally Can't Dance hold up, but then there are the truly dire ones like The Bells, Songs For Drella, and on and on.


On the other hand, New York is a great album.

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At the end, he was milking it with his Metal Machine Album tour and that horrible Lulu/Metallica collaboration. If his legendary name were not attached, would these avant-precious wank jobs have ever seen the light of day?


I will defend Metal Machine Music to the hilt. It was a groundbreaking album. It's a minority taste, certainly. It's not an accessible album by any stretch of the imagination, but it's one of the main precursors of noise rock.

I wouldn't defend Lulu though, that was terrible.

But I think that's the case for any great artist with a significant body of work. I love Bowie, but there's no denying he's produced some absolute stinkers. The only exceptions tend to be those artists that don't really evolve and keep putting out music in exactly the same style.

I don't think being willing to experiment is a bad thing in an artist, even if we do end up with stuff like Lulu occasionally.




Domnotlooking -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/31/2013 6:46:45 AM)

A Gen X'er speaks up for Lou (medium-convincingly):

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/10/lou-reed-made-generation-x/281009/

And I thought the original MM-Music was ok-ish, but the cleaned up retread was a pension top up move.

But that's a very New York attitude.

How many New Yorkers does it take to change a light bulb?

The new light bulb sucks, man! You shoulda been here 10 years ago. THAT was a lightbulb.



Blonderfluff -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/31/2013 6:50:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: NoBimbosAllowed
Meanwhile, I just love the fact that Blonderfluff looks like a sexier version of one of the naughtiest sexy Brit Actresses, Celia Imrie!

Seriously, get a photo of Celia smiling, from ten or 15 years ago, and compare the pics!


Yes, I always thought Major Margaret 'Hotlips' Houlihan from MASH looked quite like Celia, myself. I always wondered what Blonderfluff did after finishing that most excellent series.

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Lol
I've heard both of those comparisons before.
Along with
Annette Benning. Katherine Turner and Doris Day.

I just wanna be ME!!!!



Domnotlooking -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/31/2013 6:53:18 AM)

.....And yeah, anything early 70's roots reggae fetches the bomb all over the world (partic in Japan/Germany). Pressings were limited, often warped, quickly discarded. A lot of very influential reggae records had pressings of 500.

For me, reggae and afrobeat put paid to punk's studied amateurism for good.

Wish I could have gotten this for my office (and for a mere $617). I would die a very happy record nerd indeed.:

http://www.jahtari.org/magazine/reggae/tubby_speaker.htm

-Like owning a piece of the true cross.......



PeonForHer -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/31/2013 7:49:19 AM)

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I just wanna be ME!!!!


Hard luck. You are now 'Hotlips'. [;)]



Moonhead -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/31/2013 9:47:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso
I will defend Metal Machine Music to the hilt. It was a groundbreaking album. It's a minority taste, certainly. It's not an accessible album by any stretch of the imagination, but it's one of the main precursors of noise rock.

Either that or it was a spoiler to get him out of a record contract in which he still owed an album with the least effort possible.
[;)]
About the only thing I like about MMM is that side four of the original vinyl double album was a locked groove. That's actually a pretty decent joke, as few made it through the other three sides to find that out.
As for the precursor to noise rock thing, fuggadaboudit. That's a ridiculous claim. Yoko Ono, Boyd Rice, Faust, the Silver Apples, Delia Derbyshire and plenty of others were all there long before Reed, and most of them didn't put the same twenty minute squeal of microphone feedback on one album four times.



Domnotlooking -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/31/2013 10:48:21 AM)

Props to Lester Bangs for building the MMM myth and somehow making it stick. Lou, Iggy et al. owe his estate some money for the unintentional A+R work he did.

Of course, the idea of a rock critic having any influence at all is even more of an antique than Lou Reed. Do rock critics really even exist outside of the last of the dying broadsheets anymore?

I hope Laurie Anderson is taking a leaf from King Tubby and is carefully distressing a bunch of leather jackets for her own retirement fund. LA's royalty statement must surely be in the single digits.



Moonhead -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/31/2013 10:52:09 AM)

Wasn't Oh Superman in an advert recently?



Domnotlooking -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/31/2013 11:28:23 AM)

Uh-huh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ-vd9u_THY

Good on her for squeezing a little more juice out of that tired lemon. She can still dine out on her fading avant-rep. She is as stuck like a bug in amber in her long ago static persona as Tony Orlando is.

Other than David Byrne and Eno, I'll bet most of the the class of '77 is gagging for a limited edition-whatever or a deadwood "expanded edition" reissue for one last payday. Even the rightfully forgotten Boomtown Rats are out flogging it (Hey,I would be too).

Lou-wise, LA did somehow succeed in applying a thin and implausible veneer of Buddhism to the old reprobate. The premise that Lou was less concerned with his public image than say, Ozzy Osbourne, just does not bear scrutiny. He was on RCA, for christ's sakes, not Rough Trade.



bloomswell -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/31/2013 4:43:42 PM)

Lou told sad and painful musical stories about people he knew. He wasn't one to offer the usual clearasil splattered fantasies of pop and I think he appealed to those who were screaming out for a little raw truth however unpleasant that might be. IMHO his VU and his post VU work was great. I'd say the same about John Cale and would be happy to argue the point chapter and verse via pm.
Both were/are distinguished by their intelligence,artiness and their refusal to compromise. I admit to having been a major fan.
I'm not grieving for Lou though as he (surprisingly) made it to a decent age and had a really good creative and productive life.
We should all be so lucky.






Moonhead -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (10/31/2013 4:43:51 PM)

Eno was around long before 77. Hell, the fucker was already into producing records before then: when did Robert Calvert's first solo album come out? I know he produced that one, and it was '74 or something.



angelikaJ -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (11/21/2013 7:47:24 PM)

A friend sent me this:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/laurie-andersons-farewell-to-lou-reed-a-rolling-stone-exclusive-20131106

and his last interview is here:
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/lou-reeds-last-words-watch-his-final-interview-20131108


edit: add second link.



garyFLR -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (11/22/2013 8:17:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Eno was around long before 77. Hell, the fucker was already into producing records before then: when did Robert Calvert's first solo album come out? I know he produced that one, and it was '74 or something.


One of my favourite albums Cdr Lockheed & The Starfighters & of course Lucky Leif & The Longboats. Aah pals of my cradle days [:)].

Thanks for the links Angelika xx.



playfulotter -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (11/23/2013 7:30:22 PM)

I have a lot of favorite Lou Reed songs but this one really is my favorite...yes even above the ones that sound better..this one sounds so small club and not so professional but I love it! It reminds me of the other favorite classic "Waiting for my Man"..You can just picture it in your mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3E5YIP-DvU



garyFLR -> RE: RIP Lou Reed. (11/25/2013 3:23:19 AM)

Yes, it's so loose & free & easy, it's what made the Velvets so great.



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