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RE: Another corrupt politician. - 10/29/2013 6:18:22 AM

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I think we need to end career politicians.

Absolutely. I also think that remuneration for service rendered should be ~the minimum wage or established and paid by each state for their respective representatives. Congress would not be able to vote themselves perks.

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RE: Another corrupt politician. - 10/29/2013 6:42:13 AM

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I also think that remuneration for service rendered should be ~the minimum wage or established and paid by each state for their respective representatives. Congress would not be able to vote themselves perks.

I disagree with the first part, and find the second part to be quite interesting.

Only providing the minimum wage won't attract the talent that we would want. I can agree that it shouldn't be a lavish package, but it has to be decent at the very least. I would much rather not have minimum wage talent running the country.

Having the States pay for their own representatives is interesting, but you'll be pushing different costs onto the States. Ohio wouldn't be on the hook for as much as California. While there are likely more taxpayers in CA (more rep's means more people, which, generally, will translate into more taxpayers) to spread that cost to, it's still not necessarily "fair."

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RE: Another corrupt politician. - 10/29/2013 7:16:52 AM

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I also think that remuneration for service rendered should be ~the minimum wage or established and paid by each state for their respective representatives. Congress would not be able to vote themselves perks.

I disagree with the first part, and find the second part to be quite interesting.

Only providing the minimum wage won't attract the talent that we would want. I can agree that it shouldn't be a lavish package, but it has to be decent at the very least. I would much rather not have minimum wage talent running the country.

Having the States pay for their own representatives is interesting, but you'll be pushing different costs onto the States. Ohio wouldn't be on the hook for as much as California. While there are likely more taxpayers in CA (more rep's means more people, which, generally, will translate into more taxpayers) to spread that cost to, it's still not necessarily "fair."

Inevitably some state wouldn't pay the reps much at all and only the independently wealthy would be able to do the job or people would get elected and never actually even go to DC.

Keep in mind that a rep has to pay for his travel between his district and DC and maintain some sort of residence in both. It is expensive.

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RE: Another corrupt politician. - 10/29/2013 10:23:11 AM

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The problem is that there is a vocal group that seems to think that only Democrats are corrupt.

And that women who use birth control are sluts.

and that women should not have the choice of abortion,

and only democrats commit voter fraud,

and that the Bush Gore election results were perfectly acceptable, even though a large number of Florida votes were left uncounted, and a conservative supreme court ordered the recount stopped.

I think both parties are corrupt, although I agree that political partisanship might cause a certain skewed perception where one might see the splinter in others' eyes while ignoring the one in his own eye. But I think that both parties are guilty of this. There might be those who think that only Democrats are corrupt, while there might be others who think that only Republicans are corrupt.

But I don't see corruption as an ideological dispute. There is no political party or faction which argues for corruption. Politicians from both parties claim they want to eliminate corruption and clean up government, but that doesn't seem all that reassuring. Cases like this might make people think "Well, at least the system works; the guy got caught and now he's going to pay for it." But then we might wonder: How many don't get caught?

I don't know how widespread voter fraud truly is or whether that's even the problem we're dealing with. I think what fascinates me more is how entire groups of people can be persuaded into voting for a particular candidate based on an air-brushed and sanitized image which is presented to them - and the voters fall for it, election after election.

I don't really worry about women who use birth control, but if they're sluts, that's their own affair. A private citizen can be as slutty as he or she wishes, but a slutty politician is a different kettle of fish.

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RE: Another corrupt politician. - 10/29/2013 10:33:43 AM

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I also think that remuneration for service rendered should be ~the minimum wage or established and paid by each state for their respective representatives. Congress would not be able to vote themselves perks.

I disagree with the first part, and find the second part to be quite interesting.

Only providing the minimum wage won't attract the talent that we would want. I can agree that it shouldn't be a lavish package, but it has to be decent at the very least. I would much rather not have minimum wage talent running the country.

Having the States pay for their own representatives is interesting, but you'll be pushing different costs onto the States. Ohio wouldn't be on the hook for as much as California. While there are likely more taxpayers in CA (more rep's means more people, which, generally, will translate into more taxpayers) to spread that cost to, it's still not necessarily "fair."

You wouldn't get min wage people, as who would vote for them? Serving would be service, not a great paycheck.

California may have higher costs as you say, but who cares? Let them work it out. They'd be their representatives. Not Ohio's.

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RE: Another corrupt politician. - 10/29/2013 10:35:14 AM

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I've settled down a bit these days, but at the time I thought the ones on birth control were smarter sluts.

And if the fundy Republicans have their way, birth control could go bye bye too!

ETA: And even though they should be on the Endangered Species list, I'm quite sure there are Repubs that don't go along with what you've asserted, jlf.

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RE: Another corrupt politician. - 10/29/2013 10:36:31 AM

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Keep in mind that a rep has to pay for his travel between his district and DC and maintain some sort of residence in both. It is expensive.

Again, that could be openly done on State's budget. Think of it this way, it may yet be the fox who's elected but it's the home chickens who hold the purse.

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RE: Another corrupt politician. - 10/29/2013 11:29:07 AM

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I also think that remuneration for service rendered should be ~the minimum wage or established and paid by each state for their respective representatives. Congress would not be able to vote themselves perks.

I disagree with the first part, and find the second part to be quite interesting.
Only providing the minimum wage won't attract the talent that we would want. I can agree that it shouldn't be a lavish package, but it has to be decent at the very least. I would much rather not have minimum wage talent running the country.
Having the States pay for their own representatives is interesting, but you'll be pushing different costs onto the States. Ohio wouldn't be on the hook for as much as California. While there are likely more taxpayers in CA (more rep's means more people, which, generally, will translate into more taxpayers) to spread that cost to, it's still not necessarily "fair."

You wouldn't get min wage people, as who would vote for them? Serving would be service, not a great paycheck.
California may have higher costs as you say, but who cares? Let them work it out. They'd be their representatives. Not Ohio's.

You wouldn't get the people you want leading the country. Serving should be service, but we have to have the talent willing to put that time in without great pay. If you have no one but minimum wage people apply for a position, who else are you going to vote for?

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RE: Another corrupt politician. - 10/29/2013 12:36:32 PM

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Only providing the minimum wage won't attract the talent that we would want.

Clearly the money we offer now does not attract any talent.

I can agree that it shouldn't be a lavish package, but it has to be decent at the very least.

One nutsuckers decent pay is another mans lavish package.

I would much rather not have minimum wage talent running the country.

That is what we have now

You wouldn't get the people you want leading the country.

We don't have the people we want leading the country now.

Serving should be service, but we have to have the talent willing to put that time in without great pay.

We do not seem to mind giving minimum pay to those who would shed their blood for our country why should it be different for those who send them off to bleed?

If you have no one but minimum wage people apply for a position,

Why must we assume that no one with talent would want the job?

who else are you going to vote for

In the history of our country how many write in candidates have been elected?
That would be a number that most would call insignificant.

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RE: Another corrupt politician. - 10/29/2013 6:38:47 PM

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and the only way to end career politicians is by presenting a law to end career politicians which must be voted upon and passed and ratified by career politicians.

right.

ain't ever gonna work.

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RE: Another corrupt politician. - 10/29/2013 9:03:34 PM

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and the only way to end career politicians is by presenting a law to end career politicians which must be voted upon and passed and ratified by career politicians.
right.
ain't ever gonna work.

A Constitutional Amendment can be started outside of Congress and ratified by enough States to force it on the Federal Government.

I don't see that ever happening, either, though.

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