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Lucylastic -> Free speech YAY, at least in texas (11/1/2013 3:53:42 AM)

They uphold a ban on abortion, and then do this


Court invalidates Texas law on sexual communication with minors
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By Chuck Lindell
American-Statesman Staff

Texas’ highest criminal court Wednesday invalidated a state law that banned sexually explicit Internet communication between an adult and a minor, ruling the 2005 statute violates free speech protections.

A companion law criminalizing the sexual solicitation of minors was upheld by the state Court of Criminal Appeals.

Lawyers for the state had argued that without the ban on sexually explicit communication, “perverts will be free to bombard our children with salacious emails and text messages, and parents and law enforcement would be unable to stop it,” the unanimous ruling noted.
But the court said Texas children are protected by other laws that have passed constitutional scrutiny, including statutes banning solicitation, obscenity, harassment and the distribution of harmful materials to minors.

The now-invalidated state law prohibited adults from engaging in sexually explicit online communication with a minor with the intent of sexual gratification.
Laws limiting the First Amendment right to free speech based on the content of that speech — like the Texas statute on online sexually explicit communication — are presumed to be constitutionally invalid unless they serve a compelling state interest and are narrowly drawn to limit their impact, the appeals court said.
The opinion by Judge Cathy Cochran acknowledged that the state has a well-established interest in protecting children from child predators.

But the Texas law was not narrowly written, she wrote, instead covering “a whole cornucopia of ‘titillating talk’ or ‘dirty talk,’” including sexually explicit literature such as “Lolita,” “50 Shades of Grey,” “Lady Chatterly’s Lover” and Shakespeare’s “Troilus and Cressida.”

Cochran listed other “sexually explicit television shows, movies, and performances” improperly covered by the law, including Janet Jackson’s wardrobe malfunction during the 2004 Super Bowl and Miley Cyrus’s “twerking” during the 2013 MTV Video Music Awards.

“In sum, everything (the law) prohibits and punishes is speech and is either already prohibited by other statutes — such as obscenity, distributing harmful material to minors, solicitation of a minor, or child pornography — or is constitutionally protected,” Cochran wrote.

In its ruling, the court dismissed a pending indictment against John Christopher Lo of Harris County, whose trial had been delayed while he challenged the law’s constitutionality. Lo had been charged with communicating in a sexually explicit manner with somebody he believed was a minor, a third-degree felony.

http://www.statesman.com/news/news/court-invalidates-texas-law-on-sexual-communicatio/nbcdx/




DesideriScuri -> RE: Free speech YAY, at least in texas (11/1/2013 6:25:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
They uphold a ban on abortion, and then do this
Court invalidates Texas law on sexual communication with minors
COMMENT(14)
10 25 2 239
By Chuck Lindell
American-Statesman Staff
Texas’ highest criminal court Wednesday invalidated a state law that banned sexually explicit Internet communication between an adult and a minor, ruling the 2005 statute violates free speech protections.
A companion law criminalizing the sexual solicitation of minors was upheld by the state Court of Criminal Appeals.
Lawyers for the state had argued that without the ban on sexually explicit communication, “perverts will be free to bombard our children with salacious emails and text messages, and parents and law enforcement would be unable to stop it,” the unanimous ruling noted.
But the court said Texas children are protected by other laws that have passed constitutional scrutiny, including statutes banning solicitation, obscenity, harassment and the distribution of harmful materials to minors.
The now-invalidated state law prohibited adults from engaging in sexually explicit online communication with a minor with the intent of sexual gratification.
Laws limiting the First Amendment right to free speech based on the content of that speech — like the Texas statute on online sexually explicit communication — are presumed to be constitutionally invalid unless they serve a compelling state interest and are narrowly drawn to limit their impact, the appeals court said.
The opinion by Judge Cathy Cochran acknowledged that the state has a well-established interest in protecting children from child predators.
But the Texas law was not narrowly written, she wrote, instead covering “a whole cornucopia of ‘titillating talk’ or ‘dirty talk,’” including sexually explicit literature such as “Lolita,” “50 Shades of Grey,” “Lady Chatterly’s Lover” and Shakespeare’s “Troilus and Cressida.”
Cochran listed other “sexually explicit television shows, movies, and performances” improperly covered by the law, including Janet Jackson’s wardrobe malfunction during the 2004 Super Bowl and Miley Cyrus’s “twerking” during the 2013 MTV Video Music Awards.
“In sum, everything (the law) prohibits and punishes is speech and is either already prohibited by other statutes — such as obscenity, distributing harmful material to minors, solicitation of a minor, or child pornography — or is constitutionally protected,” Cochran wrote.
In its ruling, the court dismissed a pending indictment against John Christopher Lo of Harris County, whose trial had been delayed while he challenged the law’s constitutionality. Lo had been charged with communicating in a sexually explicit manner with somebody he believed was a minor, a third-degree felony.
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/court-invalidates-texas-law-on-sexual-communicatio/nbcdx/


It was determined the law didn't fall within Constitutionality because it wasn't written to be narrow and specific in it's focus. And, all the prohibited actions in the law are already prohibited by other statutes.

If this law was the cornerstone of Lo's indictment, then he could have been tried, found guilty, and then had it overturned upon challenging this law.

Perhaps one of our lawyerly types here can comment on whether or not this case is likely to have an indictment sought under already-deemed Constitutional statutes.




Lucylastic -> RE: Free speech YAY, at least in texas (11/1/2013 6:27:13 AM)

funny I read that too DS<




TheHeretic -> RE: Free speech YAY, at least in texas (11/1/2013 10:54:43 PM)

I'm pretty sure the OP skips right up to a violation of the most recent guidelines on just posting a link and snip, without offering something in the mix, Lucy, but that's not my call to make.

Looks like a bad law got chucked out, as happens to laws that ignore the limitations on our government imposed by the First Amendment. I certainly hope the sicko in question gets locked away under better written law, but we do take our free speech seriously here.

I'll not dance with the other new bit of guidance, by being specific about what anybody who thinks censorship is the solution, can do with their opinion.




thishereboi -> RE: Free speech YAY, at least in texas (11/2/2013 8:02:33 AM)

Well I bet that is a relief to John Christopher and his family. My boss is siting in a federal prison for shit like this. Maybe I should suggest he move to Texas when he gets out. I am sure his love of kids will override his hatred of republicans and he will just love it.




Lucylastic -> RE: Free speech YAY, at least in texas (11/2/2013 2:18:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I'm pretty sure the OP skips right up to a violation of the most recent guidelines on just posting a link and snip, without offering something in the mix, Lucy, but that's not my call to make.

Looks like a bad law got chucked out, as happens to laws that ignore the limitations on our government imposed by the First Amendment. I certainly hope the sicko in question gets locked away under better written law, but we do take our free speech seriously here.

I'll not dance with the other new bit of guidance, by being specific about what anybody who thinks censorship is the solution, can do with their opinion.

why??? I make a comment, the title is my opinion, ...or just not good enough for you??? keep trying
Im sure there are lots of men happy that they can now text minors with sexual dirty talk as they take their viagra.
And you are welcome to your opinion. As am I:)




EdBowie -> RE: Free speech YAY, at least in texas (11/2/2013 2:43:41 PM)

Neither your title or your opinion make it clear... Are you saying that it would be better to keep this law?

It apparently did nothing that wasn't redundant about old perverts with children, and would only have added in the component of putting 18 year olds in jail and on the sex offender registry for 'suspect' text messages between them and 17 year olds... like quoting Shakespeare or Song of Solomon.



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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I'm pretty sure the OP skips right up to a violation of the most recent guidelines on just posting a link and snip, without offering something in the mix, Lucy, but that's not my call to make.

Looks like a bad law got chucked out, as happens to laws that ignore the limitations on our government imposed by the First Amendment. I certainly hope the sicko in question gets locked away under better written law, but we do take our free speech seriously here.

I'll not dance with the other new bit of guidance, by being specific about what anybody who thinks censorship is the solution, can do with their opinion.

why??? I make a comment, the title is my opinion, ...or just not good enough for you??? keep trying
Im sure there are lots of men happy that they can now text minors with sexual dirty talk as they take their viagra.
And you are welcome to your opinion. As am I:)





TheHeretic -> RE: Free speech YAY, at least in texas (11/3/2013 9:02:13 AM)

Well thanks for the clarification, Lucy. And you were thinking that going sarcastic about free speech in your thread title was going to encourage sympathetic responses because... ?

Sometimes our American way of doing freedom of speech produces some ugly side effects, that we have to deal with in other ways, or even tolerate. Ever heard of Westboro Baptist, for example?

21st Century communication brings new challenges to that. Certainly, circumstances such as we have in the specific case here need to be addressed, and the sick fuck dealt with, but overly broad, badly written, censorship laws aren't going to be an acceptable approach in my country.




Kirata -> RE: Free speech YAY, at least in texas (11/3/2013 10:40:44 AM)


Fuck free speech. We have to save the children! [:)]

K.




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