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thompsonx -> RE: Rand Paul's speechwriters and ghost writers plagarize. (11/5/2013 1:36:50 PM)

Did he actually write the books, though? Or, did he use a ghostwriter? The bulk of the plagiarism consequences should go to the one that actually wrote the books and plagiarized.


Does the ghost writer get royalities from the book?
The book has his name on it as the author...so much for "personal responsibility".








LookieNoNookie -> RE: Rand Paul's speechwriters and ghost writers plagarize. (11/5/2013 5:07:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Which in no wise excuses claiming the work/property of someone else as your own without their permission.



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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/entire-section-of-rand-pauls-book-copied-verbatim-from-case

Rand Paul has built his political appeal around a claim of honesty and being firm in his convictions. How can a libertarian justify the use of others work without their explicit permission?


Interestingly, Kennedy said first, very eloquently (didn't he?) "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".

Except....he didn't actually say it....first (well...he did actually say it....just.....someone looooong before him said it before him).

Every scientist whom we know the names of stood on the shoulders of Giants.

Every orator carry's others words into the heavens.

And every one of us has only done well because someone before us....did well before us...leading us effectively....first, into the future.

Belittle others, and you by default, belittle yourself.




(I think that may have been my point).




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Rand Paul's speechwriters and ghost writers plagarize. (11/5/2013 5:08:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Im guessing to bring up misspeaks of bushes reign of error would be out of bounds huh?
LMFAO


Not at all....but easily a redundant expense of bandwidth.




Lucylastic -> RE: Rand Paul's speechwriters and ghost writers plagarize. (11/5/2013 5:15:23 PM)

As there is an awful lot of it about already, then I will behave:) [;)]




Lucylastic -> RE: Rand Paul's speechwriters and ghost writers plagarize. (11/5/2013 5:23:19 PM)

oops except to add
LOL
"The Washington Times and Paul have "mutually" agreed to end his weekly column, according to an article published on the newspaper's website Tuesday."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/5/washington-times-ends-sen-rand-paul-column-amid-pl/

"<snip>The Washington Times said Tuesday it had independently reviewed Mr. Paul’s columns and op-eds and published a correction to one column on Sept. 20 in which the senator had failed to attribute a passage that first appeared in Forbes.
The newspaper and the senator mutually agreed to end his weekly column, which has appeared on each Friday in the newspaper since the summer.
“We expect our columnists to submit original work and to properly attribute material, and we appreciate that the senator and his staff have taken responsibility for an oversight in one column,” Times Editor John Solomon said.
“We also appreciate the original insights he has shared with our readers over the last few months and look forward to future contributions from Sen. Paul and any other members of Congress who take the time to help educate our readers with original thought leadership pieces,” Mr. Solomon said. </end snip>

Apparently this is why
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/sections-of-rand-pauls-op-ed-on-drug-sentencing-plagiarized

Sections of an op-ed Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul wrote on mandatory minimums in The Washington Times in September appear nearly identical to an article by Dan Stewart of The Week that ran a week earlier. The discovery comes amid reports from BuzzFeed that Paul plagiarized in his book and in several speeches.
Paul also delivered testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Sept. 16, 2013, that included the copied sections.
Here’s how Stewart wrote his introduction to his article on “Rethinking mandatory sentencing”:
It’s the automatic imposition of a minimum number of years in prison for specific crimes — usually related to drugs. By design, mandatory sentencing laws take discretion away from prosecutors and judges so as to impose harsh sentences, regardless of circumstances.
Mandatory sentencing began in the 1970s as a response to a growing drug-and-crime epidemic, and over the decades has put hundreds of thousands of people behind bars for drug possession and sale, and other non-violent crimes. Since mandatory sentencing began, America’s prison population has quadrupled, to 2.4 million. America now jails a higher percentage of its citizens than any other country, including China and Iran, at the staggering cost of $80 billion a year.
Is that a good thing?
Most public officials — including liberals, conservatives, and libertarians — have decided that it’s not. At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.
And here’s how Paul wrote it a week later with the text bolded that appears copied:
Mandatory-minimum sentences automatically impose a minimum number of years in prison for specific crimes — usually related to drugs. By design, mandatory-sentencing laws take discretion away from prosecutors and judges so as to impose harsh sentences, regardless of circumstances.
Since mandatory sentencing began in the 1970s in response to a growing drug-and-crime epidemic, America’s prison population has quadrupled, to 2.4 million. America now jails a higher percentage of its citizens than any other country, including China and Iran, at the staggering cost of $80 billion a year. Drug offenders in the United States spend more time under the criminal justice system’s formal control than drug offenders anywhere else in the world.
Most public officials — liberals, conservatives and libertarians — have decided that mandatory-minimum sentencing is unnecessary. At least 20 states, both red and blue, have reformed their mandatory-sentencing laws in some way, and Congress is considering a bipartisan bill that would do the same for federal crimes.
Another section of the article related to John Horner, a father of three who sold some pain pills to a police informant.
Here’s how The Week wrote it, again with bolded text on the copied sections:
When a friend asked John Horner if he could buy some painkillers, the 46-year-old father of three didn’t see a problem. The Osceola County, Fla., resident had been taking prescribed painkillers for years after losing his eye in an accident, and agreed to sell his friend, “Matt,” four unused bottles. After the pills exchanged hands, Horner discovered that “Matt” was in fact a police informant, and he was charged with dealing drugs. At the advice of his public defender, Horner pleaded guilty, and was later sentenced to the mandatory minimum of 25 years in jail. He will be 72 by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. “Matt,” who turned out to have a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate — he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months after informing on Horner, and is now free.
And here’s how Paul wrote it:
John Horner was a 46-year-old father of three when he sold some of his prescription painkillers to a friend. His friend turned out to be a police informant, and he was charged with dealing drugs. Horner pleaded guilty and was later sentenced to the mandatory minimum of 25 years in prison.
John will be 72 years old by the time he is released, and his three young children will have grown up without him. The informant, who had a long history of drug offenses, was more fortunate — he received a reduced sentence of just 18 months, and is now free.
“We’ve always known that the audience of The Week consists of smart, busy people who want to feel even smarter, including a lot of people on Capitol Hill,” said Bill Falk, the editor in chief of The Week. “We’d like to thank Sen. Paul for his endorsement.”
Paul’s office did not return a request for comment.




Owner59 -> RE: Rand Paul's speechwriters and ghost writers plagarize. (11/6/2013 3:58:17 PM)

"PLAGIARIZING PAUL BLAMES THE MEDIA "



Looks like paul decided to go palin and blame the media for his own problems....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/06/rand-paul-plagiarism_n_4226249.html


I don`t think he gets what he did wrong......not sure if he`s sophisticated enough to get the world of Arts and Letters or know what intellectual theft is.....


Neither does his ilk.





Lucylastic -> RE: Rand Paul's speechwriters and ghost writers plagarize. (11/6/2013 4:33:01 PM)

Apparently not, all i hear are crickets




DesideriScuri -> RE: Rand Paul's speechwriters and ghost writers plagarize. (11/6/2013 9:49:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Apparently not, all i hear are crickets


Might want to give Ortho a call for the crickets, Lucy.

Rand seems to be taking the road not less traveled and throwing a tantrum.

Ah, well. Nothing like throwing everything away because people were calling you names, Rand.




DomKen -> RE: Rand Paul's speechwriters and ghost writers plagarize. (11/6/2013 10:07:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
Apparently not, all i hear are crickets


Might want to give Ortho a call for the crickets, Lucy.

Rand seems to be taking the road not less traveled and throwing a tantrum.

Ah, well. Nothing like throwing everything away because people were calling you names, Rand.


What did people expect? He has clearly lived his whole life privileged and protected from reality. Just look into his creating his own accrediting association so he could avoid taking the test for the real ophthalmology association.




Lucylastic -> RE: Rand Paul's speechwriters and ghost writers plagarize. (11/7/2013 3:16:27 AM)

LOL and in the news today, Rand has joined.....Breitbart
SENATOR RAND PAUL MOVES OPINION COLUMN TO BREITBART NEWS
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/11/06/Senator-Rand-Paul-Moves-Opinion-Column-to-Breitbart-News
Paul, a Tea Party favorite and son of former libertarian Congressman Ron Paul, is widely perceived as one of the frontrunners for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016.
Breitbart News reported last month that it has gone through a period of exponential growth. The conservative media outlet has surpassed websites such as Politico, the Daily Beast, and The Washington Times, according to web traffic analytics firm Alexa.
Doug Stafford, a political aide to the Senator, told Breitbart that "Paul is pleased to partner with Breitbart News and looks forward to the new, wider audience for his columns."
An avowed reformer, Paul has urged the conservative movement to broaden its reach and target communities and demographics often ignored by the GOP establishment. He said in a speech in June of this year:
If we want to win nationally again, we will have to reach out to a diverse nation and welcome African-Americans, Asians, Latinos into our party. Latinos will come to the GOP when we treat them with dignity, when we embrace immigrants as hard workers who are an asset to our country.
“We are pleased to add Senator Paul to our lineup of fearless, original thought leaders," said Breitbart News CEO Larry Solov. "Most of all, we think the fighting spirit he has become known for is a perfect fit for Breitbart News Network and reflects that of our founder, Andrew Breitbart.”

Reaching his audience, truth be damned, nice move Rand!!!




DomKen -> RE: Rand Paul's speechwriters and ghost writers plagarize. (11/7/2013 6:04:24 AM)

Well no one with a brain expects any facts or honesty from Breitbart's minions. He should fit in there. Think of the time savings. He can find someone else who writes something he likes and simply post it under his name.




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