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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Here is something else to think about.... If he was poisoned how was it done? Remember he was in a compound surrounded by only those he trusted. He was the only one to become sick so the poison had to be added to his food and his food only... who could have gotten close enough to him to of done this? If the poison had been on the food before it was delivered to the compound then all who ate would have gotten sick...this did not happen. So only someone he trusted could have killed him no matter how the poison was delivered.
Who was that close to him to add it to his food... or medicine....or to have stuck him with an umbrella?
His wife
His cook if he had one
His Doctor
His Palestinian associates
It seems pretty unreasonable to assume the US, Russia, or Israel managed to have an assassin gain enough trust to be in his inner circle.
Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Yes I think it is...How many radicals over the years have been betrayed to the US, for instance, for money? Remember this was a closed group of people loyal to him for years and years. It is not impossible of course but to me it makes it far more likely that a difference of opinion among his associates was the cause of his murder.
Butch

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Then you agree that a close associate was most likely the murderer. And in your opinion this close associate may have used a third party for help in the murder.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
It seems pretty unreasonable to assume the US, Russia, or Israel managed to have an assassin gain enough trust to be in his inner circle.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Polonium poisoning is *very* difficult to arrange.

The material itself is difficult to handle. As for what the Russians and chineses gain: America remains tied up in the middle east.
America is the enemy of the muslims. Its.. simply huge.

The other suspect are muslims. Many would not have wanted Arafat making peace. The most likely method of delivery was through food. And the telltale signs of polonium poisoning were present in the last months of his life.

I wondered when you would blame the Muslims as per usual.......[8|]

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

For the last years of his life, Arafat lived besieged by Israeli tanks on all sides. Holed up in his office, nothing got in or out without Israeli approval. If he was murdered (which seems possible) there is no way it could have happened without Israeli approval.

You are clutching at straws. If you prefer not to face up to reality, that's your choice.

Would you answer the following questions.

1) Considering the Israeli blockade of the Palestinian territories, nothing could get in or out with Israeli approval, how are the Palestinians getting rockets to fire into Israel, the artillery shells that are fired into Israel, the explosives used in suicide bombs, ammo for the small arms that are being used against Israeli soldiers, and everything else the Palestinians need to fight a war? Are you implying that the Israelis are approval of these items getting into the area?

2) Considering that Arafat was actually negotiating with Israel at the time of his death, and progress was being made toward peace in the region, why the hell would Israel kill a man that was actually working toward a peace plan?

3) If he was indeed besieged, as you say, wouldn't have been much easier to blow the crap out of the building he was in? Considering that the Israeli military has targeted Palestinian leader in the past with helicopter fired rockets, artillery, bombs from aircraft, you know, like using a sledge hammer to kill a spider.

In the past, I have seen you blame the Israelis for a lot of stuff, most of it justified, but really? The Israelis are very creative when it comes to killing undesirable people outside of the middle east, but in the middle east, they are anything but subtle. Just take a look at this list and the methods used.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Polonium poisoning is *very* difficult to arrange.

The material itself is difficult to handle. As for what the Russians and chineses gain: America remains tied up in the middle east.
America is the enemy of the muslims. Its.. simply huge.

The other suspect are muslims. Many would not have wanted Arafat making peace. The most likely method of delivery was through food. And the telltale signs of polonium poisoning were present in the last months of his life.

I wondered when you would blame the Muslims as per usual.......[8|]

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
I want to know how Arafat amassed a reported billion dollars ?

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Is it unreasonable to think that the US, Russia, Israel, or some other state managed to pay off one of his inner circle?

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ORIGINAL: kdsub
Who was that close to him to add it to his food... or medicine....or to have stuck him with an umbrella?

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

For the last years of his life, Arafat lived besieged by Israeli tanks on all sides. Holed up in his office, nothing got in or out without Israeli approval. If he was murdered (which seems possible) there is no way it could have happened without Israeli approval.

You are clutching at straws. If you prefer not to face up to reality, that's your choice.

Would you answer the following questions.

1) Considering the Israeli blockade of the Palestinian territories, nothing could get in or out with Israeli approval, how are the Palestinians getting rockets to fire into Israel, the artillery shells that are fired into Israel, the explosives used in suicide bombs, ammo for the small arms that are being used against Israeli soldiers, and everything else the Palestinians need to fight a war? Are you implying that the Israelis are approval of these items getting into the area?

2) Considering that Arafat was actually negotiating with Israel at the time of his death, and progress was being made toward peace in the region, why the hell would Israel kill a man that was actually working toward a peace plan?

3) If he was indeed besieged, as you say, wouldn't have been much easier to blow the crap out of the building he was in? Considering that the Israeli military has targeted Palestinian leader in the past with helicopter fired rockets, artillery, bombs from aircraft, you know, like using a sledge hammer to kill a spider.

In the past, I have seen you blame the Israelis for a lot of stuff, most of it justified, but really? The Israelis are very creative when it comes to killing undesirable people outside of the middle east, but in the middle east, they are anything but subtle. Just take a look at this list and the methods used.

1. No.
2. Because peace is not an Israeli goal. They are careful to make the right noises, but their policies and behaviours all point to their over-riding goal as the complete conquest of the West Bank. It is self evident that the Israelis value 'settling' the West Bank more than peace. They go through the charade of negotiating to please the US mainly - they have no intention of ever offering the Palestinians a deal they could accept.
3. Yes it would have been much easier. But if they "blew the crap out" of Arafat's compound the political blowback would have been disastrous, especially with their only ally the US. Far better for the Israelis if they could kill Arafat without being seen to be responsible for his death and concurrent with his death, the death of the 'peace process'. BTW this also explains why they used an assassination method commonly associated with the Russians.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Yes it was almost as expected as the poster who swooped in and automatically blamed Israel. Funny how you skipped over her post and zoomed in on this one.

Personally I don't care who killed him, I am just glad he is dead.