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Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

well gee, McDs, Starbucks and other businesses, govt buildings etc don't allow weapons on their property so why should this school be any different? they have the right to do that, especially since its concealed.. imo its not the "mom" that's banned, its her weapon that is.. they don't want to take the chance she will come on the property with it.. not to mention, it also gives kids the chance to grab it (depending on how she carries it) and all hell break loose.. not to mention the school's liability.. now what would happen if a kid did somehow get ahold of it from her and someone got hurt, wouldn't everyone be blaming the school for not acting to prevent her from being on the property? really, the school cant win either way.. and perhaps it was another parent (who is anti-gun on school grounds) that alerted the school to this issue.. again, if that is what happened, the school likely turned it over to their lawyers and insurance company and were advised to take this action..

They didn't ban her for carrying a gun on campus but for having a permit and being a veteran.
They asked her about those to things but not if she was carrying.

where do you get her being a veteran had anything to do with their decision???

if she didn't have a gun yet, the fact she has a cc license is a pretty good sign she will be getting one soon.. so cuz of that and cuz that she had been a problem before.. she has already moved her kid to another school now.. so why is she raising a stink about it now that the problem has been resolved??? (I am getting the impression the school was right about her being a problem since she is continuing to be a problem).. lucky for that school, she is that new schools problem now..

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Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

There could be circumstances beyond the resources of the reporting that have determined the person in question is ban from the school. I'm not going to speculate on the woman's personal background as it relates to this issue. It could be all be perfectly understandable. Or just a case of 'hyper vigilance' in action. Before leaping to the woman's side 'just cus she has a firearm' shows a distinct lack of common sense. None of us know what this woman's mental and emotional health levels are at. Nor current criminal background if any. Perhaps she has laid threat towards a teacher because her kid was performing badly in school but due to laws could not publically explain the issue.

The point of a Concealable Carry is so the criminal DOESN'T know you are carrying a firearm (....duh!). When you plaster the CC permit on the internet (Facebook of all things!), doesn't exactly.....HIDE.....the idea that you are carrying. Its like saying someone has a concealed gun locker and than posting pictures on Facebook as to where it is located in thier house. Would you take the person seriously upon learning this?

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Ya, what do the rest of you think about her posting her CC permit on FB? I think it shows lack of judgement.

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A helicopter mom packing heat? Hell yeah I'd ban her from my school if I was a principal.

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Ya, what do the rest of you think about her posting her CC permit on FB? I think it shows lack of judgement.

I agree it does show a lack of judgement on her part. The idea behind a CC is for people to NOT know you're carrying a firearm. I will admit, due to my posting of the fact I have a CCW here along with my pic is probably not the wisest thing to do, but CM is nowhere near to FB in its reach and scope. When I got mine issued (in this state, I've had them in others before), I told three people, total. What she did in posting it to the world was to, in effect, make herself a target, either for what happened at her kid's school, or for some enterprising individual who now has a solid lead that someone's got firearms and ammo at their house.

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Ya, what do the rest of you think about her posting her CC permit on FB? I think it shows lack of judgement.

I agree it does show a lack of judgement on her part. The idea behind a CC is for people to NOT know you're carrying a firearm. I will admit, due to my posting of the fact I have a CCW here along with my pic is probably not the wisest thing to do, but CM is nowhere near to FB in its reach and scope. When I got mine issued (in this state, I've had them in others before), I told three people, total. What she did in posting it to the world was to, in effect, make herself a target, either for what happened at her kid's school, or for some enterprising individual who now has a solid lead that someone's got firearms and ammo at their house.

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Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

One thing, it's public property. She or anyone else have a right to be there.

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Ya, what do the rest of you think about her posting her CC permit on FB? I think it shows lack of judgement.

I think it shows that she needs to change the privacy setting on her Facebook to friends only.

Personally, I wouldn't show it simply because the ideal of carry concealed is that the general public doesn't know that you're carrying.

But, it could simply be that she's proud that she passed the course and wanted to mark the achievement.

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Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

well gee, McDs, Starbucks and other businesses, govt buildings etc don't allow weapons on their property so why should this school be any different? they have the right to do that, especially since its concealed.. imo its not the "mom" that's banned, its her weapon that is.. they don't want to take the chance she will come on the property with it.. not to mention, it also gives kids the chance to grab it (depending on how she carries it) and all hell break loose.. not to mention the school's liability.. now what would happen if a kid did somehow get ahold of it from her and someone got hurt, wouldn't everyone be blaming the school for not acting to prevent her from being on the property? really, the school cant win either way.. and perhaps it was another parent (who is anti-gun on school grounds) that alerted the school to this issue.. again, if that is what happened, the school likely turned it over to their lawyers and insurance company and were advised to take this action..

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So first of all, the fact that McD's and others do it, doesn't make it legal. It just means that no one has attempted yet to sue, to overturn.

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Ya, what do the rest of you think about her posting her CC permit on FB? I think it shows lack of judgement.

I agree it does show a lack of judgement on her part. The idea behind a CC is for people to NOT know you're carrying a firearm. I will admit, due to my posting of the fact I have a CCW here along with my pic is probably not the wisest thing to do, but CM is nowhere near to FB in its reach and scope. When I got mine issued (in this state, I've had them in others before), I told three people, total. What she did in posting it to the world was to, in effect, make herself a target, either for what happened at her kid's school, or for some enterprising individual who now has a solid lead that someone's got firearms and ammo at their house.

Just because someone has a CC permit does NOT necessarily mean that they carry one all or even most of the time. Yes, for SOME people the main issue is to not have it be known. For others it doesn't mean diddly shit either way. Just because this woman didn't see things in your "one twue way" doesn't automatically mean she had any lack of judgement. It just means that she doesn't have the same issues that you do. Me, personally, I don't know what information could be seen in the photo. Did it show her address? I don't know. Do you know? And without her address, then what difference does it make that anyone knows she has a gun and ammunition. Besides...if anyone DID gain knowledge of her address, they now know that that house is protected by a firearm. Kinda works both ways, doesn't it?

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Ya, what do the rest of you think about her posting her CC permit on FB? I think it shows lack of judgement.

I agree it does show a lack of judgement on her part. The idea behind a CC is for people to NOT know you're carrying a firearm. I will admit, due to my posting of the fact I have a CCW here along with my pic is probably not the wisest thing to do, but CM is nowhere near to FB in its reach and scope. When I got mine issued (in this state, I've had them in others before), I told three people, total. What she did in posting it to the world was to, in effect, make herself a target, either for what happened at her kid's school, or for some enterprising individual who now has a solid lead that someone's got firearms and ammo at their house.

Just because someone has a CC permit does NOT necessarily mean that they carry one all or even most of the time. Yes, for SOME people the main issue is to not have it be known. For others it doesn't mean diddly shit either way. Just because this woman didn't see things in your "one twue way" doesn't automatically mean she had any lack of judgement. It just means that she doesn't have the same issues that you do. Me, personally, I don't know what information could be seen in the photo. Did it show her address? I don't know. Do you know? And without her address, then what difference does it make that anyone knows she has a gun and ammunition. Besides...if anyone DID gain knowledge of her address, they now know that that house is protected by a firearm. Kinda works both ways, doesn't it?

You raise several valid points there. It's true, not all permit holders carry all the time, and it would seem counter-intuitive to seek out a home where you know there's at least one armed resident, wouldn't it? And even if she did blur or obscure her name and address on the image, I'll bet she's using her real name on her FB page. Nowadays, it doesn't take a lot to start putting things together until you come up with a street address.

Going back to the 'not carrying all the time' point you made-if she's not home, but her weapon is, that's where the payoff is. It's why there was a big stink when they started publishing NYS permit holders's addresses a while back. You can't stay home all the time, and it's impractical to take everything that goes bang with you all the time. Sooner or later, someone's going to get in and no matter how good your security is, if they have enough time and the right tools, they will get it. What she essentially did was put a big red flag on herself when she posted it online. When I took my course, the instructor told us repeatedly not to tell everyone in earshot we had one for that very reason.

And I'm not "twue" anything. I call 'em like I see 'em, and she screwed the pooch on this one in a number of ways. It goes to the very concept of concealed carry: no one knows you have a weapon on your person except yourself. If she'd have checked her attitude and remembered what OPSEC stood for (she is an Army vet, after all), this would be a non-issue. But, as others have mentioned above, there's more to all of this than what's being reported, I'm quite sure.

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Army veteran Mom not allowed on school grounds because of a Facebook pic of her Concealed Carry permit.

Part of me hopes there's more to this story than that she was simply banned because of the pic. But, another part of me hopes that there isn't any other reason (ie. that the woman is an actual danger to the kids).

I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out. I don't know that we've heard the entire story yet.

One thing, it's public property. She or anyone else have a right to be there.

Not if your carrying a gun and your not law enforcement you don't. How many school shootings have there been when a firearm was involved? You can say all you want that someone with a CC would NEVER do something like this. How about the teenager who cold-cocks the CC person on the back of the head, takes the arm and begins shooting because they REALLY have just snapped? I'm sure the idea has already happen in the past.....

That if you come to the school, lock your weapon with the principle first before entering further I could agree on. How intelligent much less wise is it, to allow a parent, whom may become extremely mad at a teacher during a discussion, to 'whipping it out and shooting them' in blind rage? The reason they call it 'blind rage' is the frontal section of the human brain shuts down. That's the area that controls reasoning, thinking, and decision making. When people get REALLY made, they do dumb things they often regret later on. Can you imagine the field day the 'gun control' folks would have if this event were to happen? Would it not make sense to keep the arm out of the school, even in the super unlikely event its used for a school shooting?

Now if the local police chief gives the 'ok' for a civilian to be allowed access into a school with a CC due to unforeseen reasons (the person is targeted by some hate group for example), its then on the chief's responsibility if anything goes wrong. And I'm sure there will be hell to pay if anything went wrong with that arm.

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where do you get her being a veteran had anything to do with their decision???

if she didn't have a gun yet, the fact she has a cc license is a pretty good sign she will be getting one soon.. so cuz of that and cuz that she had been a problem before.. she has already moved her kid to another school now.. so why is she raising a stink about it now that the problem has been resolved??? (I am getting the impression the school was right about her being a problem since she is continuing to be a problem).. lucky for that school, she is that new schools problem now..

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where do you get her being a veteran had anything to do with their decision???

if she didn't have a gun yet, the fact she has a cc license is a pretty good sign she will be getting one soon.. so cuz of that and cuz that she had been a problem before.. she has already moved her kid to another school now.. so why is she raising a stink about it now that the problem has been resolved??? (I am getting the impression the school was right about her being a problem since she is continuing to be a problem).. lucky for that school, she is that new schools problem now..

The names of all CCW holders are public record, did the school ban any others? Or just her?

Because if they didn't do a thorough records search and take the same action, the whole 'safety of the children' excuse falls apart.

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where do you get her being a veteran had anything to do with their decision???

if she didn't have a gun yet, the fact she has a cc license is a pretty good sign she will be getting one soon.. so cuz of that and cuz that she had been a problem before.. she has already moved her kid to another school now.. so why is she raising a stink about it now that the problem has been resolved??? (I am getting the impression the school was right about her being a problem since she is continuing to be a problem).. lucky for that school, she is that new schools problem now..

The names of all CCW holders are public record, did the school ban any others? Or just her?

Because if they didn't do a thorough records search and take the same action, the whole 'safety of the children' excuse falls apart.

If that was the case wouldn't the principal have said so, instead she made allegations about being afraid of this specific woman.  I would like to know why she feared the mother.