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defiantbadgirl -> To all US Republicans: (11/8/2013 3:53:10 PM)

An Open Letter to All Breathing Republicans
By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout | Op-Ed

Friday 08 November 2013

You, Mrs. or Ms. or Mr. Bulletproof, are sick.

But you feel fine, you say? Blood work normal, all tests clear, no lumps, no limps, no memory lapses, no problems at all?

Wait a while. Live a little longer. Sooner or later, you will make the list.

According to the American Medical Association, more than 81 million people currently suffer from some form of cardiovascular disease.

According to the American Cancer Society, more than 11 million people currently suffer from some form of cancer.

According to the American Diabetes Association, almost 24 million people currently suffer from diabetes; the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimate that half of all Americans could suffer from the disease by the year 2050.

The Centers for Disease Control estimate that some 50 million Americans suffer from arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, gout, or lupus, 21 million of whom are disabled due to the condition.

According to the Alzheimer's Association, more than five million Americans are currently afflicted with Alzheimer's disease, a number that will shortly spike as our aging population grows older.

According to the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, some 400,000 Americans currently suffer from MS.

According to the National Parkinson's Foundation, between 50,000 and 60,000 new cases of Parkinson's are diagnosed in America each year.

The CDC estimates that close to a million people a year become infected with herpes.

More than a million Americans are infected with AIDS.

Some 79 million Americans are infected with the human papillomavirus (HPV), a disease that causes cancer in both women and men.

That, right there, is more than half the country.

That, right there, is you. Sooner or later, and sure as sunrise, you can count on it.

If you're not sick right now, you will be, so if you're one of the people fighting the Affordable Care Act, wouldn't it be an example of enlightened, conservative self-interest to make sure this law is as robust as can be?

I know, I know, Democrat socialist Kenyan no-birth-certificate president and all that, plus Benghazi for good measure, but seriously: he's going to be out of office in three years, and for sure and certain you're going to get sick someday if you aren't already. The ACA makes sure your insurance company can't shaft you if your inevitable illness becomes too expensive for their balance sheet.

How is that not conservative? For the love of God, the whole idea was created in the first place by the Heritage Foundation before getting successfully road-tested by a Republican governor. Once upon a time, that kind of policy pedigree was worthy of a parade in Republican circles.

You are almost certainly going to get sick at some point along your personal timeline. This is unavoidable, and while your guns may give you a degree of psychological protection from ominous neighbors in hoodies, you can't shoot cancer, or stroke, or dementia, or diabetes...and one of these days, one of those things is going to ring your doorbell, and that's your ass, financially, if you're not covered.

(snip)

Please read the Book your party has claimed sole ownership of.

Proverbs 31:8-9 says, "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."

Matthew 25:41-45 says, "'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"

John 3:17-18 says, "If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth."

Of course the Affordable Care Act is fragile. All things human are, including you.

Especially you.

For you will be sick one day. It is inevitable. Unavoidable. We are made to ail, to suffer, and to die.

Enlightened self-interest is the Republican way.

How are you feeling today?

Think about it.


Very true and well written, so I thought I'd share it.




DaddySatyr -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/8/2013 4:30:06 PM)

I don't know about its truth but the writing isn't awful.

I will spend some time crunching some of the numbers. I just read through it but I'm not sure that the diseases/numbers mentioned = 165 million people so the claim of "half" is probably erroneous.

Having said that; I suffer from a condition that will kill me, eventually and I could not be more opposed to this piece of shit legislation that may as well have been titled: "Love Letter To The Insurance Industry".

I have about eight "good" years left, according to my doctors. Not only did this idiotic attempt at jerking some tears out of me not work but I am offended at the depths to which this piece of shit author has stooped.

I wonder if his father was the guy that suggested that republicans wanted our grandmothers eating dog food in the 70s?

Fuck him. He's without honor.







Lucylastic -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/8/2013 5:09:23 PM)

I see more of that coming Defiant!




TheHeretic -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/8/2013 6:22:31 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I don't know about its truth but the writing isn't awful.

I will spend some time crunching some of the numbers. I just read through it but I'm not sure that the diseases/numbers mentioned = 165 million people so the claim of "half" is probably erroneous.

Having said that; I suffer from a condition that will kill me, eventually and I could not be more opposed to this piece of shit legislation that may as well have been titled: "Love Letter To The Insurance Industry".

I have about eight "good" years left, according to my doctors. Not only did this idiotic attempt at jerking some tears out of me not work but I am offended at the depths to which this piece of shit author has stooped.

I wonder if his father was the guy that suggested that republicans wanted our grandmothers eating dog food in the 70s?

Fuck him. He's without honor.







Agreed. He probably spun heart jerkers about our troops in Iraq not so long ago, only to completely forget Afghanistan exists, when Pres. Obama told our service members the schedule was for them to keep getting shot at for another couple of years, before he could negotiate our surrender.





RottenJohnny -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/8/2013 7:18:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl
If you're not sick right now, you will be, so if you're one of the people fighting the Affordable Care Act, wouldn't it be an example of enlightened, conservative self-interest to make sure this law is as robust as can be?

Thank you for your concern, Mr. Pitt, but my health is my own gift or my own curse. I won't ask you to manage my healthcare and I'm not interested in managing yours.




Phydeaux -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/8/2013 9:00:57 PM)

Yeah. We all suffer from the human condition, which means we're going to die.

My family went to a fundraiser to a little girl that had cancer tonight.

We don't oppose Obamacare because we don't care.
We oppose it because its a bad idea.





quote:

ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

An Open Letter to All Breathing Republicans
By William Rivers Pitt
Truthout | Op-Ed

Friday 08 November 2013

You, Mrs. or Ms. or Mr. Bulletproof, are sick.

But you feel fine, you say? Blood work normal, all tests clear, no lumps, no limps, no memory lapses, no problems at all?

Wait a while. Live a little longer. Sooner or later, you will make the list.

According to the American Medical Association, more than 81 million people currently suffer from some form of cardiovascular disease.

According to the American Cancer Society, more than 11 million people currently suffer from some form of cancer.

According to the American Diabetes Association, almost 24 million people currently suffer from diabetes; the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) estimate that half of all Americans could suffer from the disease by the year 2050.

The Centers for Disease Control estimate that some 50 million Americans suffer from arthritis, rheumatoid arthritis, gout, or lupus, 21 million of whom are disabled due to the condition.

According to the Alzheimer's Association, more than five million Americans are currently afflicted with Alzheimer's disease, a number that will shortly spike as our aging population grows older.

According to the National Multiple Sclerosis Society, some 400,000 Americans currently suffer from MS.

According to the National Parkinson's Foundation, between 50,000 and 60,000 new cases of Parkinson's are diagnosed in America each year.

The CDC estimates that close to a million people a year become infected with herpes.

More than a million Americans are infected with AIDS.

Some 79 million Americans are infected with the human papillomavirus (HPV), a disease that causes cancer in both women and men.

That, right there, is more than half the country.

That, right there, is you. Sooner or later, and sure as sunrise, you can count on it.

If you're not sick right now, you will be, so if you're one of the people fighting the Affordable Care Act, wouldn't it be an example of enlightened, conservative self-interest to make sure this law is as robust as can be?

I know, I know, Democrat socialist Kenyan no-birth-certificate president and all that, plus Benghazi for good measure, but seriously: he's going to be out of office in three years, and for sure and certain you're going to get sick someday if you aren't already. The ACA makes sure your insurance company can't shaft you if your inevitable illness becomes too expensive for their balance sheet.

How is that not conservative? For the love of God, the whole idea was created in the first place by the Heritage Foundation before getting successfully road-tested by a Republican governor. Once upon a time, that kind of policy pedigree was worthy of a parade in Republican circles.

You are almost certainly going to get sick at some point along your personal timeline. This is unavoidable, and while your guns may give you a degree of psychological protection from ominous neighbors in hoodies, you can't shoot cancer, or stroke, or dementia, or diabetes...and one of these days, one of those things is going to ring your doorbell, and that's your ass, financially, if you're not covered.

(snip)

Please read the Book your party has claimed sole ownership of.

Proverbs 31:8-9 says, "Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy."

Matthew 25:41-45 says, "'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"

John 3:17-18 says, "If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, how can the love of God be in him? Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but with actions and in truth."

Of course the Affordable Care Act is fragile. All things human are, including you.

Especially you.

For you will be sick one day. It is inevitable. Unavoidable. We are made to ail, to suffer, and to die.

Enlightened self-interest is the Republican way.

How are you feeling today?

Think about it.


Very true and well written, so I thought I'd share it.






farglebargle -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/8/2013 11:46:43 PM)

quote:


We don't oppose Obamacare because we don't care.
We oppose it because its a bad idea.


Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they can't reject you due to a 'pre-existing condition'.

Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they can't cancel you simply because you got sick and had to file a claim.

Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they need to provide a consistent minimum level of benefits.

Please tell us what's bad about women seeing doctors and obtaining reproductive healthcare?

Maybe if you can't answer those, you can answer this:

What's so good about an insurance policy which can be cancelled if you use it, and doesn't provide even the minimum level of acceptable benefits for the premium paid?




Phydeaux -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/9/2013 12:20:35 AM)

Let me make it clear to you:

Pre-existing conditions:

If you have a house - you buy fire insurance to protect you against the chance you will have a fire damage your home.
If you wait until your house is on fire to try to buy fire insurance - people will just stare at you in disbelief. Its not the risk of a fire at that point - its a fire.


Insurance companies cancelling because you got sick

Quick answer: They can't. Medical insurance is purchased for a period. Your coverage is governed by the terms (and term) of your contract.


Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they need to provide a consistent minimum level of benefits

Because choice is a good thing. Aren't you Pro-Choice?
So why is giving you a choice on having an abortion a good thing, but me choosing which health plan I want for me is a bad thing?


Or did that just become a euphemism for - I have the right to demand an abortion and expect someone else to pay for it?

While individuals will make mistakes - on the average each person is the best decision maker for what insurance is appropriate for them. Allowing me to purchase the plan I want, instead of forcing me to buy the plan I don't want.

So while you like abortion coverage and birth control coverage - it is against my religion. And I will never cease my opposition to any such coverage. Were you in favor of the draft?

Please tell us what's bad about women seeing doctors and obtaining reproductive healthcare?
Why are you so feeble that you can't pay for your own contraception? Should I pay for your color tv? Air conditioning?
Minty clean breath wash?

Any government that is in a position to deny religious liberty, and is in a position to say you may have medical procedures, is in a position to deny them. And as sure as the day follows the night, one will follow the other.





quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

quote:


We don't oppose Obamacare because we don't care.
We oppose it because its a bad idea.


Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they can't reject you due to a 'pre-existing condition'.

Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they can't cancel you simply because you got sick and had to file a claim.

Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they need to provide a consistent minimum level of benefits.

Please tell us what's bad about women seeing doctors and obtaining reproductive healthcare?

Maybe if you can't answer those, you can answer this:

What's so good about an insurance policy which can be cancelled if you use it, and doesn't provide even the minimum level of acceptable benefits for the premium paid?





Lucylastic -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/9/2013 3:23:30 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Let me make it clear to you:


Because choice is a good thing. Aren't you Pro-Choice?
So why is giving you a choice on having an abortion a good thing, but me choosing which health plan I want for me is a bad thing?


Or did that just become a euphemism for - I have the right to demand an abortion and expect someone else to pay for it?



Yeah Pro Choice...because Im opposed to ANYONE being forced, by legislation, to give birth if they become pregnant. Being forced to give birth is a huge leap of bullshit from being required to obtain decent health insurance.

Also pre existing conditions are NOTHING like buying insurance once the house is on fire.
Are you seriously telling us you dont know the difference?




RottenJohnny -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/9/2013 3:36:29 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they can't reject you due to a 'pre-existing condition'.

Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they can't cancel you simply because you got sick and had to file a claim.

Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they need to provide a consistent minimum level of benefits.

Please tell us what's bad about women seeing doctors and obtaining reproductive healthcare?

Maybe if you can't answer those, you can answer this:

What's so good about an insurance policy which can be cancelled if you use it, and doesn't provide even the minimum level of acceptable benefits for the premium paid?

Please tell me why regulating the health insurance companies should include the requirement for me to purchase a product I don't need or want?




DomKen -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/9/2013 3:47:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Let me make it clear to you:

Pre-existing conditions:

If you have a house - you buy fire insurance to protect you against the chance you will have a fire damage your home.
If you wait until your house is on fire to try to buy fire insurance - people will just stare at you in disbelief. Its not the risk of a fire at that point - its a fire.

The reality is people change jobs and move around so they routinely change insurance so a pre-existing condition can make a person unable to take change jobs or pursue any new opportunity. also what should happen to someone with a condition that develops as a minor?


quote:

Insurance companies cancelling because you got sick

Quick answer: They can't. Medical insurance is purchased for a period. Your coverage is governed by the terms (and term) of your contract.

It was quite common before the passage of the ACA. The insurance company would have a very complicated and arcane application form and then when someone got sick in an expensive way would find some innocent error on the application and rescind the insurance.
http://www.amednews.com/article/20100409/business/304099997/8/

BTW the reason I had to go on full disability is that as soon as I went on dialysis my company's group insurance dropped the entire company and there was no way I could get insurance and to get Medicare I had to apply for SS disability.


quote:

Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they need to provide a consistent minimum level of benefits

Because choice is a good thing. Aren't you Pro-Choice?
So why is giving you a choice on having an abortion a good thing, but me choosing which health plan I want for me is a bad thing?

Because insurance policies were increasing becoming either junk policies designed to give the illusion of coverage while not actually covering much of anything. One of the people FNC was touting about losing her insurance due to the ACA had one of these junk policies and when the reality of her current insurance was shown to her she was very glad to be able to buy better insurance on the Florida exchange.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115457/obamacare-victim-florida-happy-she-can-get-real-coverage





Phydeaux -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/9/2013 3:59:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Let me make it clear to you:

Pre-existing conditions:

If you have a house - you buy fire insurance to protect you against the chance you will have a fire damage your home.
If you wait until your house is on fire to try to buy fire insurance - people will just stare at you in disbelief. Its not the risk of a fire at that point - its a fire.

The reality is people change jobs and move around so they routinely change insurance so a pre-existing condition can make a person unable to take change jobs or pursue any new opportunity. also what should happen to someone with a condition that develops as a minor?


Simply factually untrue. So long as insurance is continuous, a preexisting condition will continue to be covered. (Mostly because then the insurance companies fight about who has to pay for what).

A person already has federal guarantees to cover when you want to move from one company to another. Its called Cobra.


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quote:

Insurance companies cancelling because you got sick

Quick answer: They can't. Medical insurance is purchased for a period. Your coverage is governed by the terms (and term) of your contract.

It was quite common before the passage of the ACA. The insurance company would have a very complicated and arcane application form and then when someone got sick in an expensive way would find some innocent error on the application and rescind the insurance.
http://www.amednews.com/article/20100409/business/304099997/8/

BTW the reason I had to go on full disability is that as soon as I went on dialysis my company's group insurance dropped the entire company and there was no way I could get insurance and to get Medicare I had to apply for SS disability.


Just to be clear, you're saying:

A). Your company dropped group coverage entirely. Because otherwise, your condition is covered under group policiies. Group policies are not allowed to have physicals, or discriminate against membership.

Which is the traditional way for an individual to resume insurance after a break. Get on with a company that has group insurance.

AND you're saying no one would cover you under a high risk individual plan. And you're not 62.5, or a vet. And you checked out your state high risk insurance pool. And you checked out things like the Presbyterian or Methodist insurance options. And you couldn't join Rotary which offers health insurance to its members.

And you're not 50 or older so you can't participate in AARP offerings.

You know.. frankly, I don't believe you.

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quote:

Please tell us what's bad about regulating insurance companies so that they need to provide a consistent minimum level of benefits

Because choice is a good thing. Aren't you Pro-Choice?
So why is giving you a choice on having an abortion a good thing, but me choosing which health plan I want for me is a bad thing?

Because insurance policies were increasing becoming either junk policies designed to give the illusion of coverage while not actually covering much of anything. One of the people FNC was touting about losing her insurance due to the ACA had one of these junk policies and when the reality of her current insurance was shown to her she was very glad to be able to buy better insurance on the Florida exchange.
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115457/obamacare-victim-florida-happy-she-can-get-real-coverage




You offer nothing other than aneqdotal evidence that "policies were increasingly junk".




thishereboi -> RE: To all US Republicans: (11/9/2013 4:53:53 AM)

Well isn't that special and now I have a response.

Dear pitt

You are sick. I hope you get the help you desperately need but first you will have to be honest and admit you need it. From reading your bullshit letter to all us republicans I don't see that happening anytime soon. One of the main problems this country is facing is hate mongers like you that are trying to victimize 1/2 the fucking country. Instead of trying to come up with solutions you are busy putting out this kind of bullshit. Do you honestly think anyone on the right will read it and suddenly see the light and change sides? If you do you are as delusional as you are bigoted. All you are doing is deepening the divide and making things worse. I feel sorry for your family, it must suck to live with such a hateful little boy.




to the op...thanks for the link. I am used to people showing us examples of the fuckwads from the right, so it's kinda refreshing to see one from the left.




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