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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 12:45:49 PM   
littleone14


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He moved out shortly after he went back to work, but even if he hadn't, we were fine with him not paying anything for that 2 months because he had no income. Besides, I feel like we're partly to blame for him breaking his foot. We told him to call us if he needed a ride and didn't realize the ringer was off. It was dark, he was wasted, and he somehow broke his foot walking over some train tracks.

I have to ask. How does getting wasted and breaking his foot on the train tracks make this "not his fault?"

I think your friend might need some help in the 'personal responsibility' area.




I was going to ask the exact same question!

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 1:07:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		You know OP, your friend is not a victim here. He got drunk and hurt his foot. Then didnt pay child support. It sounds like he made an attempt to figure out how to cover it in the beginning, by that one phone call , but that was a year and a half ago. It was his responsibility to deal with making sure the back payments happened. He didn't. That's his fault!

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 2:03:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		On an aside: It doesn't make sense to me to suspend driving privileges for deadbeat dads. If they can't get to work they will fall even further into arrears.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 2:09:03 PM   
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One state can send an enforcement request to the home state of the person paying support. The home state opens a case against the payor and can and will suspend his/her driver's license. It's done via UIFSA -Uniform Interstate Family Support Act.


Cool, thanks. Wasn't sure how that worked. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 2:16:46 PM   
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I have to ask. How does getting wasted and breaking his foot on the train tracks make this "not his fault?"

I think your friend might need some help in the 'personal responsibility' area.




We told him we would pick him up if he needed a ride, then didn't answer the phone because the ringer was turned off. If we had picked him up, he wouldn't have broken his foot. This guy rarely gets wasted. He got drunk because he was written up at work over customers stealing gas. The stupid convenience store he works for refuses to make customers prepay, then blames the employees for gas and goes which usually happen when the store is busy. I don't know how they keep employees when they treat them like that. He's tried to find work elsewhere, but most places around here start new workers out part-time at first and he has to have full-time hours because of child support. He definitely should've followed up more with the child support folks though. Maybe this mess could've been avoided.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 2:23:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's exactly it. It wasn't like he didn't know he owed child support. So he rolled the dice and played "chicken" with the state over the default child support. State didn't blink and one-upped him. He loses.

I know he is a good friend and all...and please don't take this the wrong way...but you do make an awful lot of excuses for the guy. What he needs to do is get off his ass, get on the phone with the state and CSE (child support enforcement or whatever the state calls it), and figure out a way to stop the bleeding. Either that or continue to complain about how unfair the state is being while watching his driving privileges get suspended. He's got to do something. Doing nothing got him into a huge mess.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 2:33:38 PM   
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He seems to have money to spend going out and getting wasted, but no money for child support. Loser.


I stated very clearly that he was having no problems with child support until after he broke his foot. Getting wasted one time or even once or twice a year doesn't make someone a loser that never pays child support. I understand why he got drunk though. The convenience store he works for refuses to make customers prepay for gas, then blames the employees for drive-offs when the store is packed with customers. Instead of just griping him out, that time they wrote him up. Gas and goes happen to all of the employees, not just him. But write-ups are stressful because after 3 the worker is terminated. He's actually paid for stolen gas several times so he didn't have to report it, just to keep his job.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 2:59:47 PM   
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On an aside: It doesn't make sense to me to suspend driving privileges for deadbeat dads. If they can't get to work they will fall even further into arrears.

It is the single most powerful enforcement tool child support agencies have to motivate and/or coerce parents to pay child support. Sad but true.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 3:01:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the mess could have been avoided or at least headed off at the pass. I'm not going to sit here and tell you that I've never done anything stupid. (You should chew Me out if I even attempted that.) However, the guy didn't "forget" that he needed to pay support and got at least one state return (possibly a Federal return as well) where he could have made restitution. Lots of choices were made, and I'm sorry, but several of them were bad ones. (The only credit that I'll give him here is that he didn't drink and drive.)

My HR experience is getting old and a lot of new employment stipulations have been passed since then. While an employer can not voluntarily increase your friend's garnishment, your friend can. If he opts for an additional payment plan to come directly from his check, that *could* be used as a resolution. A lump sum payment is better in these situations, but it's possible that a good faith offering could help. Anybody can voluntarily ask for additional monies be directed from their wages to go to an outside source to cover a debt. I'm sketchy on whether such an arrangement will be acceptable at this point if his license has already been revoked. (If it has, to the best of My knowledge, it's gone until the amount of arrears is paid and he'll have to pay the processing fees to have it reinstated.) He's already defaulted for a year and a half, so it's a roll of the dice.


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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 3:08:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		So tell him to get a part time job and use that money to pay the back payments. Once he's caught up he will have been there long enough to become a full time employee and leave the present job.

Added benefit, he'll be too busy working to use drugs/alcohol and can add the 'entertainment' part of his budget to paying off the back payments.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 5:52:48 PM   
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On an aside: It doesn't make sense to me to suspend driving privileges for deadbeat dads. If they can't get to work they will fall even further into arrears.


You'd be surprised how quickly parents get caught up on child support when they lose drivers and/or professional licenses.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 6:12:30 PM   
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Now, a year and a half later, they decide to suspend his driver's license because he's behind on child support despite the fact that regular payments are being received. I thought this only happened to deadbeat dads. What can he do about this?

Uh, if he is behind on his payments then he is a "deadbeat dad". I'd suggest he get caught up on his payments and not fall behind again.


Perhaps you misunderstood. His payments were made on a regular basis before he broke his foot and the payments have been received on a regular basis ever since he returned to work. Deadbeats are parents who refuse to pay child support, not someone who pays on a regular basis like he does. He broke his foot. He had to have surgery. He was on crutches. We were at the hospital when he had the surgery. We saw the crutches. We were there. He's not lying. If he needed to catch up, why wasn't the state taking more out of his check to get it caught up? It's not his fault he broke his foot. He needs his driver's license back and breaking his foot one time in all the years he's been paying child support does not make him a deadbeat.



Just because he was out of work for a while doesn't mean he didn't owe child support during that time (presuming he was not receiving a paycheck while out of work on short-term disability). What he needed to do when he was out of work was notify the courts and let them know he was out due to an injury and work out a payment plan for the additional support during that time.

The court can't just take more out of his check, particularly if he didn't notify them in the first place.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 6:19:07 PM   
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On an aside: It doesn't make sense to me to suspend driving privileges for deadbeat dads. If they can't get to work they will fall even further into arrears.


Gee...what about those of us whose kids' father does not consider SEEING his kids a reason to pay support... Unfortunately, everything in family law is based on the premise that the parent CARES about the welfare of the kids.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 6:31:56 PM   
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Our ex roommate and good friend just received a letter saying his driver's license has been suspended over child support. He is not a deadbeat dad that refuses to pay. His child support payments are deducted from his paychecks (like auto bill pay) and have been for years. A short time before he moved out, he broke his foot. He ended up needing surgery, had to use crutches, and was off work for a couple of months. He went back to work as soon as his doctor said he could and his paychecks resumed along with his child support payments. Now, a year and a half later, they decide to suspend his driver's license because he's behind on child support despite the fact that regular payments are being received. I thought this only happened to deadbeat dads. What can he do about this?


Lots of story's like this in every paper.

Amazingly few of them involve women who don't pay up.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 6:32:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		And just a rant of a single mother...do you have ANY clue how SMALL the amounts of child support are compared to the actual cost of child raising? I have to live in a larger home (around here we have occupancy laws that say 3 people must have 2BRS), in a good school district, in an area that I don't fear my kids being home alone while I work extra hours...I need a car that can transport 2 kids... I have to cover the school field trips (one of which was over $200 in public school), school supplies, little league registration...

My ex (who chooses to not work and lives off his inheritance & family money) pays less per month in support than I pay in child care in order to work (& both my kids are in public school...I am talking before and after care)... If he falls behind on the paltry amount he pays me...you can bet your ass I will be wanting every screw put to him but he is smart enough to gladly pay the small amount. And just bitch about me bleeding him to the kids...

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 6:36:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think the whole story is being told here. They only suspend you after repeat notifications which he either ignored or never said anything to the court. He has to take care of his children. He may not have had the money during his healing but he could have easily gone to court and requested them to reduce the payments- but he did NOTHING got behind and didn't back pay what he owed. Your lucky they didn't put him in jail.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 7:05:46 PM   
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I'm so glad the British system is different, still doesn't work but what the heck.

Lack of driving license, depending where you live, means no access to work. How's that helping???
Most who cant afford child support also cant afford a car, so again whats the point??

Lets also add in, that not every absent father, chose to be absent, or didnt use a condom on a one night stand.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 7:14:04 PM   
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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 7:39:11 PM   
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On an aside: It doesn't make sense to me to suspend driving privileges for deadbeat dads. If they can't get to work they will fall even further into arrears.


Gee...what about those of us whose kids' father does not consider SEEING his kids a reason to pay support... Unfortunately, everything in family law is based on the premise that the parent CARES about the welfare of the kids.


Paying child support isn't required to see your kids because parents aren't granted time with their kids as a favor to the parent.

Instead, it's the court's position that it's the KID who has the right to see their parent, and to maintain a relationship with their parent, not the parent who has the right to see the kid.

The money, on the other hand, is something that's between the mother and father, and shouldn't impact the kid's rights.

That's why the courts don't take custody time away from parents even when they refuse to pay child support: because the kid's right to maintain a relationship with their parent doesn't get taken away just because the parents disagree on who should be footing the bill.

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RE: Driver's license suspended over child support! - 11/9/2013 7:50:17 PM   
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And just a rant of a single mother...do you have ANY clue how SMALL the amounts of child support are compared to the actual cost of child raising? I have to live in a larger home (around here we have occupancy laws that say 3 people must have 2BRS), in a good school district, in an area that I don't fear my kids being home alone while I work extra hours...I need a car that can transport 2 kids... I have to cover the school field trips (one of which was over $200 in public school), school supplies, little league registration...

My ex (who chooses to not work and lives off his inheritance & family money) pays less per month in support than I pay in child care in order to work (& both my kids are in public school...I am talking before and after care)... If he falls behind on the paltry amount he pays me...you can bet your ass I will be wanting every screw put to him but he is smart enough to gladly pay the small amount. And just bitch about me bleeding him to the kids...


If everything you're saying is correct, you need to go back to court and file for a modification.

Child support does not cover extra curriculum activities, nor field trips, you can get an order stating that the dad owes you X% of those, as well as all other additional costs not normally considered covered under child support.

You should also get his income making potential computed. If he has the capability to make more than minimum wage, you should get child support based on what he has the potential to make + on the income he's currently living on, the courts don't put up with parents being voluntarily underemployed.

You should also add your childcare costs into the record for the costs, as they factor in with how child support is calculated. You should get more with those costs added in than you would without them.

Lastly, if he's bitching about you to the kids, he's practicing parental alienation, something the courts take extremely serious. You should send him a letter via registered mail demanding he stop this immediately, if he refuses and carries on, upon the third offense, you should file a motion of contempt with the courts.
Don't allow him to do that to your kids, every research study out there indicates that it's extremely damaging to them to be put in the middle like that.

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