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It's going to be interesting to see just how long it takes the Obamabots to figure out how bad their self-inflicted wound is.
I really don't see it as being "self-inflicted". I remember people...Democrats, Republicans, and everyone else...complaining about the rising cost of health care ever since I joined the work force back in the early '70's. I remember almost every year the amount taken out of my pay for health care went up and up, and the deductibles went up and up as well. It didn't matter who controlled the House, the Senate, or the Oval Office. Nothing was done about it. The problem was simply ignored.
Until Obama. He promised to try to reform health care, and once he was in office he tried to do just that.
As I remember it, he asked the Republicans to join in, offer their input, and make it a bi-partisan deal. But the Republicans were all butt hurt from losing the election, so they crossed their arms, put a big pout on their faces, and refused to cooperate on anything Obama tried to do, regardless of how it effected the country.
So the resulting health care bill was every bit as much to blame on Republicans for their lack of participation, as it is the Democrats for at least trying to do something, even though it is FAR from perfect. And BOTH parties are to blame for not having done something years ago, when it would have been more easily addressed.
Nicely said, and what you write is the truth, despite what scumbags of the GOP try to claim, that our healthcare system was fine, the market was working, etc. Health insurance premiums have been skyrocketing for years, and claiming it is Obamacare is an outright lie (with our last health care plan, the estimate from my company is that 40 bucks of the increase was obamacare, most of it was simply the health insurance company raising rates.). What the GOP doesn't want to admit is it doesn't have any idea, I heard one stupid tea bagger on NPR talking about a young person who had been paying 69 bucks a month, and under obamacare it would be 355....course, what the commentator nailed him on, was the 69 buck a month 'plan' basically was a discount plan to see a doctor, it had no hospitilization, it had no drug coverage,etc.
And if I hear one more right wing moron claiming that people have the right to determine their own health insurance or have none at all, I think I might just wring their necks. See, what these 'liberatarian' types leave out, is those people who refuse to buy health insurance want to do is not pay the cost of insurance, and then when they get sick expect everyone else to pay it, they get sick, get treatment, and then guess who pays for it? It reminds me of the idiots claiming the right to ride without a helmet with a motorcycle, then said donkey gets into an accident, has severe brain trauma, and then guess who pays for their care? Rick Santorum hit the nail on the head of the GOP position, that if someone gets sick and doesn't have insurance, they should go to the emergency room....like, Ricky Baby, who pays for that? I also have been hearing that thanks to the tea party types and their insistance on 'gutting the beast', money from the government to reimburse charity cases has been slashed...
I also will add that I suspect these cancellations aren't because of Obamacare, but rather the health insurance companies are afraid of losing their stellar profits, the kind that gave the head of United Healthcare a 100 million dollar payday a couple of years ago. They are dropping people I would bet because they want this kind of backlash, they want Obamacare gone so they can continue raising rates by 20% a year, and getting wealth out of people getting sick.
And Igor is right, the GOP has offered absolutely nothing, their claim is the current system is fine, which it is of course if you are in the 1% or if you are the executives at health insurance companies. They mumble about 'market factors', they talk about interstate plans, but what they leave out is there are very few insurance companies out there, there are roughly 5 or 6, so no matter where you go, it is the same thieves. They will tell you a health insurance plan in Arkansas is cheaper than NJ, but what they don't tell you is a)doctors are cheaper in Arkansas and b) a lot of those plans have huge exclusions plans in NJ don't have, that could leave someone exposed to huge bills when they find out it doesn't cover cancer care.
The GOP cannot explain why almost 50 million people had no health insurance, they can't explain why it has been rising at levels 4 times inflation, all they can do is say no to Obamacare, and claim to 'care' about people. Meanwhile, the reason the plans have been going up isn't the cost of payouts, it is that in raising those prices the way they have, they guarantee huge profits for the insurers and misery for patients. Premiums have gone through the roof, deductibles are higher, rates of payments have dropped, insurance companies drop patients who get sick, and their executives are living quite nicely..and this the GOP calls 'the world's greatest healthcare system', when in many ways the US has a healthcare system that is worse than almost any industrialized country. A scumbag like Donald Trump claims medical care is fine, but of course, living like he does, getting rich screwing his backers, he doesn't have to worry about it.
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