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Discocurious -> Too extreme? (11/12/2013 5:37:20 AM)

Ok going to try posting this again... ;)

This is probably very lightweight and vanilla to most of you but seems quite intense for me and maybe too risky.

Does anyone know, if it possible to wear a "normal" ball gag and wear one of these hoods at the same time? Just slightly concerned about the breathing and the continuing to live side of things?!

Maybe a breathable ball gag would be better, if it can be worn that is?

Disco

Ps If you can't see image I'll reply to this post below with picture of hood, and then book myself to go on a beginners course on how to use the internet...



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Discocurious -> RE: Too extreme? (11/12/2013 5:46:10 AM)

I'm not very good at this am I... I've attached the link below to the hood, and if anyone could just post the picture on this thread I would be very grateful ;)


http://www.extremerestraints.com/hoods-and-muzzles_21/premium-total-sensory-deprivation-leather-hood_676.html





kalikshama -> RE: Too extreme? (11/12/2013 5:52:50 AM)

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kalikshama -> RE: Too extreme? (11/12/2013 5:58:50 AM)

I find hoods intense too :)

One of the comments mentioned using a " breather tube gag." I suggest you plow through the rest of the reviews and see if people mention breathing or gags.

I say go for it, and test it with your current gag. If you can't breath, don't use that gag.




kalikshama -> RE: Too extreme? (11/12/2013 6:15:26 AM)

My man likes pillowcases, but I sent him the link to the website with the subject line "This makes bunny scared" so who knows, maybe I will get one in my stocking this year...

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UllrsIshtar -> RE: Too extreme? (11/12/2013 7:00:35 AM)

I have a hood like that, but with a much smaller breathing hole (about the size of one of those rivets that they lace the pulls on hoodies through).
I've experimented using it with gags before, and I wouldn't recommend it, especially not for those not very experienced with both hoods and gags.

The problem with any type of gag I've tried is that they tend to block the hole, especially ball gags, EVEN those breathable ones with the holes in them. Most other gags that couldn't do this (bit gags and so on) don't really fit under the hood.

Using gags with this type of hood I consider serious edge play, because fully locked, laced and buckled down, this type of hood takes a long time to come off. That could prove to be catastrophic if the gag somehow shifts in the hood and blocks the user's ability to breath, because from the outside, you'd have no way of adjusting it.

If you MUST use gags with this type of gag, I'd recommend a penis gag with a tube in it, with you figuring out some way to GUARANTEE that both tubes are and will stay aligned by connecting them somehow. Inflatable gags would also work, but ONLY the type with a breathing tube. And only when you stay within eyeshot of the user, as they block off even more airflow.

Don't use ballgags, ever, even the one with holes.
Don't use stuff like socks or panties to stuff in the user's mouth.
Don't use any gag that doesn't have breathing tubes connected to the outside of the hood.

And seriously consider getting a separate sensory deprivation hood with a zipper on the mouth build in, for when you want to use gags, and leave this one for play without gags.




kalikshama -> RE: Too extreme? (11/12/2013 9:16:08 AM)

Really good feedback - thanks Ish!

My man's reply to my email - "Christmas is coming."

eep!




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Too extreme? (11/12/2013 9:28:24 AM)

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The advice to get a hood intended to use a gag is excellent, the one pictured is not meant for one.

It's very scary looking, obviously made to give a feeling of claustrophobia and de-personalization.

EEEK





UllrsIshtar -> RE: Too extreme? (11/12/2013 9:42:51 AM)

If your man wants to save some money at Christmas for some more toys, I'd recommend going with these guys:

http://www.wholesale-bdsm.com/heavy-duty-leather-hood-p-814.html

I got that exact one, in leather and can vouch for the quality.

I was seriously skeptical at first, seeing the prices and all, but I figured, what the hell, if it's crap not much lost, and I must say I've been seriously impressed by the quality of everything I've gotten from them, except for the floggers.




kalikshama -> RE: Too extreme? (11/12/2013 9:55:15 AM)

Thanks CP and Ish - I have passed all of your feedback on.

Note - back around 1999, I had borrowed a hood and never used it cuz it felt too scary. I have since discovered the Joy of Fear Play, so this discussion is delicious [8D]




Discocurious -> RE: Too extreme? (11/12/2013 11:41:14 AM)

Thanks for the advice. I was hoping that it would be ok, but I think I knew in the back of my mind the potential risks with a ball gag. I'll have a look around for a hood type arrangement with a gag. You said ones with zips let you breath UllrsIstar? I did see those other hoods which you have linked, on eBay which were a whole heap cheaper, but that put my off as was worried about build and safety quality.

I might still get the one I posted, and yes it does look like a serious bit of kit ChatteParfaitt, but I'm guessing it must be one hell of an experience.

Is it fear play kaliksharma? That does sound a bit scary and I can definitely see where you are coming from, I think would prefer to call it complete and utter dependence and submission play. And by the looks of it, you are having lots of fun :)




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Too extreme? (11/12/2013 12:16:45 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Discocurious

You said ones with zips let you breath UllrsIstar? I did see those other hoods which you have linked, on eBay which were a whole heap cheaper, but that put my off as was worried about build and safety quality.



Zippers don't necessarily let you breath better than the rivet ones without a gag. The zipper itself, when closed, limits airflow, so considerations need to be made there. What the zipper ones do when it comes to playing with gags is provide the Top control over the situation, because the gag remains accessible.

For the record (and I should have been clear about this previously so my apologies) I don't recommend using a zipper hood with a gag under the hood. Instead, I'd go with a zipper hood with the gag OVER the hood. Trust me, if you've got a hood with sufficient buckles and straps, you won't loose any of the claustrophobic effect of the hood by having the zipper open, especially not if the only reason it's open is to put a gag on the bottom.

If you insist on using a closed zipper hood with a gag under the hood, I'd go with just the ball of a breathable gag (so no strap attached to the ball) and place that in the user's mouth and keep it in place by means of closing the zipper.
It's a little riskier, and you need to use a ball large enough so that there is no choking hazard, but it still gives the Top the necessary control to attempt to 'fix' the situation if something goes wrong.

The main problem with using a gag under a non-zipper hood is one of accessibility, so having the gag removable quickly by the Top is how you mediate the risks.

Also take into account that the use of this type of hood can be risky even without a gag. Most of them have collars around the user's neck that could be fastened too tight, or cut off blood flow or nerve endings when the bottom is squirming. People can get claustrophobic panic attacks and use oxygen quicker than the holes in the hood are able to provide. People can get seriously disorientated fall and hit their head. People can faint. The straps, when tightened too much can block off blood flow to certain points on the face, or ears, without either you or the bottom being aware of this, with the potential of causing serious skin and nerve damage.

I had a scare one time when I just started playing with them, and my husband tightened the straps super tight around my eyes, which -due to the intense prolonged pressure- caused the lenses of my eyes to deform. When he took the hood off, everything was blurry, as if I badly needed glasses. I had Lasik surgery a year and a half prior, and we were concerned my corneas had detached. Luckily no such thing was the case, and my eyesight returned to normal within a couple hours, but it still freaked us out badly.

Keep in mind that because of the intricacy of these hoods they are NOT easy to remove, especially not quickly, and especially not without the bottom's assistance. Before you use them for full on play, especially with breathrestrictions, it may be wise to practice removing the hood several times with the bottom laying on the ground pretending to be passed out.

It takes my husband at least 95 seconds to take the hood I posted a link to off me without my assistance, starting from a position of me laying down on the ground, and him sitting next to me with the keys ready in his hands, with no other restraints impeding him. That may sound short, but it's a really long time if something really bad goes wrong.

Not saying you shouldn't play with them, nor am I saying that you shouldn't use gags with them, but please... think about it from all angles before you start messing around with them. I don't consider using this type of hood the same low risk level play as putting some wrist cuffs on somebody. You are taking a serious risk as soon as you put one of these things on another person, whether or not the hood has a zipper, but especially when it doesn't.

As far as the ebay ones go, I've seen those too and I bet they're the same manufacturer. I personally prefer to deal with a webstore instead of ebay bidding, but to each their own. I of course can't speak to how safe the leather is, and what tanning process was used on it, but I do find it to be colorfast, causing no skin reactions in me (worn it for up to 5 hours or so). The leather itself is thick, heavy and consistent. The stitching is good, and the finishes, while not the highest end I've seen, absolutely great for the price.
Overall, I'm very pleased with the quality of mine, especially when taking the price into account, although it's a little on the large side for me. I hope to one day upgrade for a custom made one with better/prettier finishes, but right now my budget prefers more toys over the highest end one I can get my hands on.





ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Too extreme? (11/13/2013 5:31:05 AM)

Grabbing up that link, Ish. At that price, no wait, perhaps I *shouldn't* tell Himself about this site.





Discocurious -> RE: Too extreme? (11/13/2013 9:11:52 AM)

Ish,

Many thanks for your detailed response, I am very grateful and you have given me a lot to think about. Safety is paramount, and I will look at alternatives. I may post here once I have seen something I like to show you all before I buy.

I would love to hear more about the 5 hours in the hood (sounds like some sort of gangster film lol), about what you felt and experienced in that time. If this is too personal and you don't want to discuss it I completely understand. It sounds like you have got a brilliant relationship and complete trust in each other. :)




UllrsIshtar -> RE: Too extreme? (11/13/2013 10:55:50 AM)

kalikshama brought up the good point of ring gags in the thread she started: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4585811/tm.htm

I didn't think to mention those, cause they're all frustratingly small to me. I still would recommend them for use under a hood, because of issues like shocking on saliva and/or your own tongue, but if you are going to use something under a riveted hood, they're probably the best option out there.

As far as the 5 hour period. That wasn't really that big of a deal. It wasn't during play, but during overnight self-bondage when my husband was away on business (edge play... do not try this at home unless you're willing to risk death, when your only breathing hole is a dime sized hole, playing alone is dangerous. If you ARE going to do it anyways, keep in mind that you need to make sure that you can neither roll over in your sleep and block the hole, nor choke on your own saliva!)
I want to eventually experiment with going several days to weeks in a sensory deprivationhood (with a zipper) once I can work out the logistics of that self-indulgence.

I found for me that sensory deprivation hoods are fun to play with for some type of play, but not as diverse as I had imagined before buying it. They put me in a very suiting, calm and dreamy headspace over all, which was expected as all bondage tends to do that to me. But I don't find them working well for heavier play. When we play heavy, it almost always ends up with my crying and blubbering, begging him to quite, which may sound very hot when combined with a sensory deprivation hood (at least to some people) but in reality I found that, once I start crying and dripping snot in the hood, it ends up being a disgusting mess inside. Which wouldn't even be that big an issue if it wasn't for the fact that as soon as it starts... the ONLY thing I can still focus on is "shit, shit, shit... that's going to ruin the leather if I don't clean that up soon!!!!" [:D]
Which then, completely gets me out of the headspace where what he's doing to me is fun and hot, and into a headspace of perpetual annoyance that he ain't done yet so I can go condition the leather... We stick to Darlex for heavier play. [;)]

I also found that I can get claustrophobic in the hood, especially when he does forced repeated orgasm stuff on me. I end up spacing in and out during the orgasms, which in combination with the hyperventilation and the limited air supply throws my oxygen/CO2 levels completely out of wack (dangerous again right there) which can have me go into a panic attack.

For milder sensation play and/or bondage purposes, that hood's one of my favorite toys though, but after fantasizing about it for well over a decade, the reality of actually using it doesn't quite live up to all my fantasies. [:)]




BrooklinePrisone -> RE: Too extreme? (11/14/2013 5:36:13 AM)

I invested a special gag I wanted. First, on the hood, any hood with the mouth open. That should be opening large enough to allow the slave to service orally. Then for the gag, I purchased a penis gag but that was way too small. I then took two sponges about 4x6 wrap the penis with the 6 inches and started to cover that with duct tape. Add the second sponge and tape that side. You should add tape on the end also so the sponges are completely covered. The ends should secure the penis leather strap so the sponge is secured to the penis and shape the sponge enough length so that will fill a mouth but not too far to block breathing. Eventually the tape is shaped and sized properly. This makes the gag full of the mouth with enough to breathe and the gag itself can now comfortably to bite down very hard and it will now muffles all the screams. Being soft enough you can then relax the mouth muscles and you can breathe and can move your jaw enough that it is not so locked secured. Of course strap the gag tight enough you can also block the mouth from breathing and limit only through your nose. But one hole less and the gag can be moved enough with your tongue and you can breathe through your mouth too.

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Inghammar -> RE: Too extreme? (11/14/2013 4:38:56 PM)

That extreme restraints hood is a copy of: http://www.churchofsinvention.com/the-original-sensory-deprivation-hood
I don't have any experience with the extreme restraints version so I cannot say it is inferior but the price isn't too much less than the original.




GotSteel -> RE: Too extreme? (11/14/2013 9:53:22 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Really good feedback - thanks Ish!

My man's reply to my email - "Christmas is coming."

eep!


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Discocurious -> RE: Too extreme? (11/17/2013 1:52:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar
, but after fantasizing about it for well over a decade, the reality of actually using it doesn't quite live up to all my fantasies. [:)]


Doesn't that just some up fantasies? ;)

Inghammer. I thought the hood I was looking at was out there, but the one you have linked is even more so!




GotSteel -> RE: Too extreme? (11/17/2013 9:05:01 PM)

"I didn't think to mention those, cause they're all frustratingly small to me."

I had the same problem with ring gags and after quite a bit of hunting found one with swappable rings at a local event where the top 2 rings are big enough to use her with.




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