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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 1:30:19 AM   
joether


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Newt did cheat, but he didn't commit perjury in front of a federal grand jury. There is a difference there.


How very 'Lawful Neutral' of you....

Mr. Gingrich was prosecuting someone for doing something he was doing at the same time. There is a word for that in the English language: HYPOCRIT! When passing judgment on someone, its usually accepted principle to not ALSO be doing the same thing and not holding yourself to the same standards your passing judgment on others. Otherwise, why should anyone take anything you say seriously when your own code of honor is flimsy and distrustful?

Frankly, I find it amusing that Republicans pass judgment on a guy that lied to them and the nation about an affair. And gave a total 'free ride' to another President for lying to the nation and Congress about those WMDs in Iraq. And why were the republicans so over-zealous in attaching a Democrat and NOT the Republican President? Hmmmm......I wonder......

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 1:33:03 AM   
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I like President Obama. But how does this change of events tied directly to him? He has much less power to affect the ups and downs of gas prices when compared to speculators, industry giants and plenty of other factors. When gas prices rise, conservatives have come on to this forums to ridicule and bitch at the President. And often many of us state its not his fault at all. If that is honestly true, then the opposite must also be true: If gas prices sink, its not due to President as well. Wouldn't matter if it was a Republican in the White House with ties to 'Big Oil'.

***COUGH***GHWBUSH***COUGH****

Just as we would not see any actual and honestly sincere 'thank you' from conservatives on this forum had I not made this post, right?

Thanks joether for that posting though gas prices are down despite Obama. Maybe if he would open up more drilling on federal land or get the Keystone pipeline flowing already, prices could drop even more.


Do you realize how many logistical hurdles would need to be over come even if the President did such an action? And how long it would take? How many resources would need to be expended to do such a thing? Not to mention the environmental impact.

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 6:50:33 AM   
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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 7:21:57 AM   
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Do you remember this?

If you want $10 a gallon gasoline … Barack Obama should be your candidate.”
- Newt Gingrich Feb, 2012.

I remember when it was up over five and a half a gallon........... during shrub....

Thank you President Obama.....

http://www.beartoothnbc.com/news/42048-gas-prices-drop-below-3.html

so this makes up for the major lies/misrepresentations regarding obamacare and lies/misrepresentations on other election promises? and him going along with what insurers, the medical industry, etc wanted for obamacare? and him going along the bank/wall street bailouts and all that crap? no prosecutions of those scummy ceos that did the illegal damage to the US & world economy? hmmm.. I don't think so.. (not that I care about the cost of gas since I don't own a vehicle and don't see buying one).. and I refuse to have gas in the house too so the cost of gas is quite irrelevant to me.. and those liar etc loans are re-emerging too.. so at some point in the future the US will have repeat bailout cuz those that don't learn from history.. etc etc jmo I don't see any reason to be crowing about "low" (?) gas prices with an economy that is just barely sputtering along.. again, jmo..

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 8:14:25 AM   
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Do you remember this?
If you want $10 a gallon gasoline … Barack Obama should be your candidate.”
- Newt Gingrich Feb, 2012.
I remember when it was up over five and a half a gallon........... during shrub....
Thank you President Obama.....
http://www.beartoothnbc.com/news/42048-gas-prices-drop-below-3.html


My guess is that there was a reduction in gas usage over the summer, leading to a glut of "summer" gas. So, the gas companies are lowering prices to sell it off to make way for "winter" gas. Lowering prices is, generally, a great way to sell more gas.



Yes, our consumption is down (generally speaking) but the bigger effect is US oil production is way up desi, reducing our dependence on foreign oil.

Besides reducing number of barrels of imports, american crude is at a discount due to lower transport costs.

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 8:18:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: joether
I like President Obama. But how does this change of events tied directly to him? He has much less power to affect the ups and downs of gas prices when compared to speculators, industry giants and plenty of other factors. When gas prices rise, conservatives have come on to this forums to ridicule and bitch at the President. And often many of us state its not his fault at all. If that is honestly true, then the opposite must also be true: If gas prices sink, its not due to President as well. Wouldn't matter if it was a Republican in the White House with ties to 'Big Oil'.

***COUGH***GHWBUSH***COUGH****

Just as we would not see any actual and honestly sincere 'thank you' from conservatives on this forum had I not made this post, right?

Thanks joether for that posting though gas prices are down despite Obama. Maybe if he would open up more drilling on federal land or get the Keystone pipeline flowing already, prices could drop even more.


Do you realize how many logistical hurdles would need to be over come even if the President did such an action? And how long it would take? How many resources would need to be expended to do such a thing? Not to mention the environmental impact.


Logistical hurdles. Who cares. Companies clear logisticals hurdles all thetime. Its called delivering a product.

Delivering oil by train is worse (regarding environmental impact) than delivering by pipeline. And still the oil comes.

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 8:23:07 AM   
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Maybe if he would open up more drilling on federal land or get the Keystone pipeline flowing already, prices could drop even more.

Ah, how quaint. You think domestic gas prices have anything at all to do with domestic production... or even supply/demand issues. Wait wait.. lemme guess... you think there's some sort of free market in operation? What's happening is on the way to your gas tank the gas is taking a trip through wall street and getting the "I need a new yacht" tax added onto it.

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 8:48:48 AM   
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We have more energy locked up in klathyrates than we ever had in oil.

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 8:56:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you mean clathrates (and particularly methane clathrates) politicians and environmentalists are not in the way, they so don't give a fiddlers fuck.  And I bet that most of them have never heard of them (both groups).

Research has suggested that they are not in economically viable concentrations to remove and use, that's all. 

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 10:40:36 AM   
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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 10:46:04 AM   
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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 11:06:23 AM   
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Merika!!!!!!!

You forgot the "fuck yeah!"

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 1:47:24 PM   
lovmuffin


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Maybe if he would open up more drilling on federal land or get the Keystone pipeline flowing already, prices could drop even more.

Ah, how quaint. You think domestic gas prices have anything at all to do with domestic production... or even supply/demand issues. Wait wait.. lemme guess... you think there's some sort of free market in operation? What's happening is on the way to your gas tank the gas is taking a trip through wall street and getting the "I need a new yacht" tax added onto it.


Domestic production certainly plays a part. When it takes the Wall Street tour, if they speculate the price is going down, it probably has something to do with increased supply, where ever its coming from.

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 4:38:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: servantforuse
Newt did cheat, but he didn't commit perjury in front of a federal grand jury. There is a difference there.


How very 'Lawful Neutral' of you....

Mr. Gingrich was prosecuting someone for doing something he was doing at the same time. There is a word for that in the English language: HYPOCRIT! When passing judgment on someone, its usually accepted principle to not ALSO be doing the same thing and not holding yourself to the same standards your passing judgment on others. Otherwise, why should anyone take anything you say seriously when your own code of honor is flimsy and distrustful?

Frankly, I find it amusing that Republicans pass judgment on a guy that lied to them and the nation about an affair. And gave a total 'free ride' to another President for lying to the nation and Congress about those WMDs in Iraq. And why were the republicans so over-zealous in attaching a Democrat and NOT the Republican President? Hmmmm......I wonder......

You have a very bad memory, not only did he not commit perjury which is what he went after Clinton over but he had no chance to lie about the affair, as soon as it came out he resigned his office.
In other words for a moral but not legal offense he exacted the penalty upon himself  he was asking for  Clinton to pay for committing a felony.
And what does this have to do with the price of gas? 

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 5:17:19 PM   
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Gas edged up here, from an average (not scientifically polled) of $2.95 yesterday to an average (extremely similar methodology) of $3.25 today.

I remember when gas would rise every Wednesday. Many people would get gas on Tuesday evenings to save the 5-10 cents/gallon. Gas would drop again, on Sunday, or so. It was like clockwork.

Now, the vacillations are ridiculous. Rising a quarter/gallon (or more) overnight? Have a tough time even thinking it's a free market of any sort.

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 5:52:22 PM   
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FR,

Gas edged up here, from an average (not scientifically polled) of $2.95 yesterday to an average (extremely similar methodology) of $3.25 today.

I remember when gas would rise every Wednesday. Many people would get gas on Tuesday evenings to save the 5-10 cents/gallon. Gas would drop again, on Sunday, or so. It was like clockwork.

Now, the vacillations are ridiculous. Rising a quarter/gallon (or more) overnight? Have a tough time even thinking it's a free market of any sort.

I used to work for a gas station in Mo.
The company would drop the price 5 cents every Friday "so people would get in the habit of buying there"
The result.
I got yelled at on Friday cause if we could sell for that today we could have sold for that yesterday.
I got yelled at on Monday because we raised the price every Monday and never dropped it.

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 5:55:30 PM   
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Do you remember this?

If you want $10 a gallon gasoline … Barack Obama should be your candidate.”
- Newt Gingrich Feb, 2012.

I remember when it was up over five and a half a gallon........... during shrub....

Thank you President Obama.....

http://www.beartoothnbc.com/news/42048-gas-prices-drop-below-3.html

so this makes up for the major lies/misrepresentations regarding obamacare and lies/misrepresentations on other election promises? and him going along with what insurers, the medical industry, etc wanted for obamacare? and him going along the bank/wall street bailouts and all that crap? no prosecutions of those scummy ceos that did the illegal damage to the US & world economy? hmmm.. I don't think so.. (not that I care about the cost of gas since I don't own a vehicle and don't see buying one).. and I refuse to have gas in the house too so the cost of gas is quite irrelevant to me.. and those liar etc loans are re-emerging too.. so at some point in the future the US will have repeat bailout cuz those that don't learn from history.. etc etc jmo I don't see any reason to be crowing about "low" (?) gas prices with an economy that is just barely sputtering along.. again, jmo..

one week because of the pipeline disruption in the gulf it was under $2 a gallon when Obama became President

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 5:57:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		At a station I where I worked in Al had a guy yell about 1.90 gas while not batting an eye over his 8.00 a gallon coffee

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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 6:12:06 PM   
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RE: Gas drops below 3 bucks a gallon.... - 11/14/2013 6:31:53 PM   
DesideriScuri


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I tend bar part time. I love it when someone is griping about the price of gas while dropping $25 to $30 over the bar after work..It happens a lot.


Just think, though. They could have plunked down $35-40 if gas prices weren't so high. Depending on the beer, the service (bottle, can, tap), that could be a decent amount of beer!


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