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EdBowie -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 4:14:48 PM)
The union rank and file donate to the mayor? You've never actually lived on this planet, have you? quote: ORIGINAL: Phydeaux Police unions gone amok. Pretty much impossible to fire people. So people kill dogs, eat donuts, sleep on the job with impunity. So the guy goes to court. Win's his million bucks. City insurance pays. Mayor scolds the Police chief. Police chief makes noise - says he's going to fix things. Nothing changes. Overpaid police donate to police chief. Donate to Mayor. And the only people that lose are the taxpayers.

EdBowie -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 4:28:49 PM)
FR The word 'dog' simply doesn't adequately cover all possible situations. I wouldn't wish the wounds from an aggressive 80 to 130 pound dog on anyone. And I wouldn't wish the pain of watching your family's animal killed that way, on anyone. One of the problems is that the media has sensationalized certain breeds, and some of those have been made part of 'outlaw' culture... Another is that there hasn't been a benchmark legal ruling that would cause law enforcement to adopt uniform policies and train to comply with them.

PeonForHer -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 6:12:46 PM)
quote: One of the problems is that the media has sensationalized certain breeds, and some of those have been made part of 'outlaw' culture... Yep. "In the first 5 months of 2013, pit bulls inflicted 93 percent of all dog bite fatalities. " Found at https://www.causes.com/v2actions/1753697-fatal-pit-bull-attacks-sharply-rise-in-2013 That's one hell of a high percentage.

EdBowie -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 7:09:28 PM)
And one hell of a dishonest misuse of statistics... During the most recent eight-year period (2005-12), pit bulls killed an average of 19 people per year quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: One of the problems is that the media has sensationalized certain breeds, and some of those have been made part of 'outlaw' culture... Yep. "In the first 5 months of 2013, pit bulls inflicted 93 percent of all dog bite fatalities. " Found at https://www.causes.com/v2actions/1753697-fatal-pit-bull-attacks-sharply-rise-in-2013 That's one hell of a high percentage.

PeonForHer -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 7:17:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EdBowie And one hell of a dishonest misuse of statistics... During the most recent eight-year period (2005-12), pit bulls killed an average of 19 people per year quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: One of the problems is that the media has sensationalized certain breeds, and some of those have been made part of 'outlaw' culture... Yep. "In the first 5 months of 2013, pit bulls inflicted 93 percent of all dog bite fatalities. " Found at https://www.causes.com/v2actions/1753697-fatal-pit-bull-attacks-sharply-rise-in-2013 That's one hell of a high percentage. In what way dishonest?

Urslaveman -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 7:20:06 PM)
2013 Dog Bite Fatality Victims: Betty Todd, 65-years old - Killed by her son's pet pit bull. Christian Gormanous, 4-years old - Killed by his neighbor's chained pit bull Elsie Grace, 91-years old - Killed by her son's two pit bulls Isaiah Aguilar, 2-years old - Killed by his neighbor's chained pit bull Ryan Maxwell, 7-years old - Killed by a pit bull while visiting family friends Daxton Borchardt, 14-months old - Killed by his babysitter's two pet pit bulls Monica Laminack, 21-months old - Killed by her family's pet pit bulls Tyler Jett, 7-years old - Killed by his neighbor's two pit bull-mix dogs Claudia Gallardo, 38-years old - Killed by a property owner's pit bull Jordyn Arndt, 4-years old - Killed by her babysitter's pit bull Beau Rutledge, 2-years old - Killed by his family's pet pit bull Rachael Honabarger, 35-years old - Killed by her family German shepherd Pamela Devitt, 63-years old - Killed by a pack of loose pit bulls Carlton Freeman, 80-years old - Killed by four roaming pit bulls Media sensation? Bullshit these dogs are killers!

SweetAmber32 -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 7:25:57 PM)
There has been a huge number of cops killing pits. It's more of a fear factor and a I'm a tough cop factor. There is a recent case where a cop walked into a yard a shot two pits to death. They were in THEIR yard, showing no aggression, and did not even go up to the cop. Witnesses (neighbors) said the cop just laughed after shooting them. Then there's another recent case, back East, where a corrections officer went up to kittens and he shot them all to death, in front of kids, as the kittens were eating kibble. Some guys (and these have all been guys) don't need to be carrying guns. They shouldn't even be in these jobs. They are the true danger. Yes pits can be dangerous. So too can, dobies, Chihuahuas, labs, etc. I grew up with a Dobie and a Chihuahua. Everybody was afraid of the Dobie, even when we told them it was the Chihuahua that was mean. One of my sisters friends found out how true that was as she ran through the house with a Chihuahua attached to her ass. So with this law suit, I hope the man wins.

EdBowie -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 8:00:17 PM)
Since when do corrections officers carry guns and go into people's yards? quote: ORIGINAL: SweetAmber32 There has been a huge number of cops killing pits. It's more of a fear factor and a I'm a tough cop factor. There is a recent case where a cop walked into a yard a shot two pits to death. They were in THEIR yard, showing no aggression, and did not even go up to the cop. Witnesses (neighbors) said the cop just laughed after shooting them. Then there's another recent case, back East, where a corrections officer went up to kittens and he shot them all to death, in front of kids, as the kittens were eating kibble. Some guys (and these have all been guys) don't need to be carrying guns. They shouldn't even be in these jobs. They are the true danger. Yes pits can be dangerous. So too can, dobies, Chihuahuas, labs, etc. I grew up with a Dobie and a Chihuahua. Everybody was afraid of the Dobie, even when we told them it was the Chihuahua that was mean. One of my sisters friends found out how true that was as she ran through the house with a Chihuahua attached to her ass. So with this law suit, I hope the man wins.

EdBowie -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 8:04:53 PM)
In the logical fallacy way of omitting the fact that a tiny number (9 out of all the dogs out there) went up incrementally, and substituting the alarmist percentage in it's place. Accuracy isn't always the same as intellectual honesty. quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: EdBowie And one hell of a dishonest misuse of statistics... During the most recent eight-year period (2005-12), pit bulls killed an average of 19 people per year quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: One of the problems is that the media has sensationalized certain breeds, and some of those have been made part of 'outlaw' culture... Yep. "In the first 5 months of 2013, pit bulls inflicted 93 percent of all dog bite fatalities. " Found at https://www.causes.com/v2actions/1753697-fatal-pit-bull-attacks-sharply-rise-in-2013 That's one hell of a high percentage. In what way dishonest?

EdBowie -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 8:11:54 PM)
And the millions of large dogs that didn't kill anyone? quote: ORIGINAL: Urslaveman 2013 Dog Bite Fatality Victims: Betty Todd, 65-years old - Killed by her son's pet pit bull. Christian Gormanous, 4-years old - Killed by his neighbor's chained pit bull Elsie Grace, 91-years old - Killed by her son's two pit bulls Isaiah Aguilar, 2-years old - Killed by his neighbor's chained pit bull Ryan Maxwell, 7-years old - Killed by a pit bull while visiting family friends Daxton Borchardt, 14-months old - Killed by his babysitter's two pet pit bulls Monica Laminack, 21-months old - Killed by her family's pet pit bulls Tyler Jett, 7-years old - Killed by his neighbor's two pit bull-mix dogs Claudia Gallardo, 38-years old - Killed by a property owner's pit bull Jordyn Arndt, 4-years old - Killed by her babysitter's pit bull Beau Rutledge, 2-years old - Killed by his family's pet pit bull Rachael Honabarger, 35-years old - Killed by her family German shepherd Pamela Devitt, 63-years old - Killed by a pack of loose pit bulls Carlton Freeman, 80-years old - Killed by four roaming pit bulls Media sensation? Bullshit these dogs are killers!

SweetAmber32 -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 8:59:52 PM)
Whoops sorry. It was animal control. Not corrections.

TheHeretic -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 9:05:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Urslaveman 2013 Dog Bite Fatality Victims: Betty Todd, 65-years old - Killed by her son's pet pit bull. Christian Gormanous, 4-years old - Killed by his neighbor's chained pit bull Elsie Grace, 91-years old - Killed by her son's two pit bulls Isaiah Aguilar, 2-years old - Killed by his neighbor's chained pit bull Ryan Maxwell, 7-years old - Killed by a pit bull while visiting family friends Daxton Borchardt, 14-months old - Killed by his babysitter's two pet pit bulls Monica Laminack, 21-months old - Killed by her family's pet pit bulls Tyler Jett, 7-years old - Killed by his neighbor's two pit bull-mix dogs Claudia Gallardo, 38-years old - Killed by a property owner's pit bull Jordyn Arndt, 4-years old - Killed by her babysitter's pit bull Beau Rutledge, 2-years old - Killed by his family's pet pit bull Rachael Honabarger, 35-years old - Killed by her family German shepherd Pamela Devitt, 63-years old - Killed by a pack of loose pit bulls Carlton Freeman, 80-years old - Killed by four roaming pit bulls Media sensation? Bullshit these dogs are killers! Here is the problem with the above though. Pitbulls are currently "the" fashionable dog for shitty people who want a tough looking dog. The breed has been puppy-milled, and bred for fighting and aggression, so yes, there are a lot of shit dogs out there right now, in the hands of a lot of shit people. And there are wonderful pitbulls, like my brother's dog, that rings a cowbell tied to the front door when he wants to go out, snuggles with all the family kids when they are at my brother's house, and with the cats when everybody is at work. Before pitbulls, it was other breeds that were all the devil's hounds, and down the road, it will be some other breed. I had a good long run with a wolf-hybrid (we never get to keep them long enough, do we?), that was both a fantastic family dog, and damn fine home security. I understood what I was dealing with, and I trained him right, but part of his job was to bark and be scary, and if some asshat cop had shot him for that, I would probably be dead or doing hard time, because I'd have shot the fucker back.

BamaD -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 10:04:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: EdBowie In the logical fallacy way of omitting the fact that a tiny number (9 out of all the dogs out there) went up incrementally, and substituting the alarmist percentage in it's place. Accuracy isn't always the same as intellectual honesty. quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: EdBowie And one hell of a dishonest misuse of statistics... During the most recent eight-year period (2005-12), pit bulls killed an average of 19 people per year quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: One of the problems is that the media has sensationalized certain breeds, and some of those have been made part of 'outlaw' culture... Yep. "In the first 5 months of 2013, pit bulls inflicted 93 percent of all dog bite fatalities. " Found at https://www.causes.com/v2actions/1753697-fatal-pit-bull-attacks-sharply-rise-in-2013 That's one hell of a high percentage. In what way dishonest? The best way to tell a lie is with the truth. Example : Prohibitionists claimed that during a year half the deaths of British soldiers in India died from overdrinking. This was true. One of the two soldiers who died one year was a victim of alcohol poisoning. Their claim was true but it's use was a lie.

BamaD -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 10:05:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: Urslaveman 2013 Dog Bite Fatality Victims: Betty Todd, 65-years old - Killed by her son's pet pit bull. Christian Gormanous, 4-years old - Killed by his neighbor's chained pit bull Elsie Grace, 91-years old - Killed by her son's two pit bulls Isaiah Aguilar, 2-years old - Killed by his neighbor's chained pit bull Ryan Maxwell, 7-years old - Killed by a pit bull while visiting family friends Daxton Borchardt, 14-months old - Killed by his babysitter's two pet pit bulls Monica Laminack, 21-months old - Killed by her family's pet pit bulls Tyler Jett, 7-years old - Killed by his neighbor's two pit bull-mix dogs Claudia Gallardo, 38-years old - Killed by a property owner's pit bull Jordyn Arndt, 4-years old - Killed by her babysitter's pit bull Beau Rutledge, 2-years old - Killed by his family's pet pit bull Rachael Honabarger, 35-years old - Killed by her family German shepherd Pamela Devitt, 63-years old - Killed by a pack of loose pit bulls Carlton Freeman, 80-years old - Killed by four roaming pit bulls Media sensation? Bullshit these dogs are killers! Here is the problem with the above though. Pitbulls are currently "the" fashionable dog for shitty people who want a tough looking dog. The breed has been puppy-milled, and bred for fighting and aggression, so yes, there are a lot of shit dogs out there right now, in the hands of a lot of shit people. And there are wonderful pitbulls, like my brother's dog, that rings a cowbell tied to the front door when he wants to go out, snuggles with all the family kids when they are at my brother's house, and with the cats when everybody is at work. Before pitbulls, it was other breeds that were all the devil's hounds, and down the road, it will be some other breed. I had a good long run with a wolf-hybrid (we never get to keep them long enough, do we?), that was both a fantastic family dog, and damn fine home security. I understood what I was dealing with, and I trained him right, but part of his job was to bark and be scary, and if some asshat cop had shot him for that, I would probably be dead or doing hard time, because I'd have shot the fucker back.

EdBowie -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 10:15:10 PM)
Thanks, that (unfortunately) makes more sense. quote: ORIGINAL: SweetAmber32 Whoops sorry. It was animal control. Not corrections.

tj444 -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 11:22:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: One of the problems is that the media has sensationalized certain breeds, and some of those have been made part of 'outlaw' culture... Yep. "In the first 5 months of 2013, pit bulls inflicted 93 percent of all dog bite fatalities. " Found at https://www.causes.com/v2actions/1753697-fatal-pit-bull-attacks-sharply-rise-in-2013 That's one hell of a high percentage. it was a pit that bite me this year.. I have had a few minor dog bites before and they were more annoying than anything, some even comical (the little yappy ones).. but this pit that bit me, it had extremely strong jaws and it didn't want to let go.. not to mention there was no reason for it to charge up to me and attack me as I attempted to walk away from it.. the dog wasn't that big but it was very strong and crazy and dangerous.. it was the first time I have ever thought about getting something (taser, pepper spray, etc) to protect myself with...

joether -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/17/2013 11:57:24 PM)
Holy Cow, can you guys like....STAY OUT TOPIC? At issue is the contents of he video, the events as they are known, the police process for handling a situation like this, and the heartbreak of someone's pet being killed. I love dogs, and watching that dog being killed really is sad. Looked like he was either confused and defending himself, or defending his territory. Either way, the dog was telling the officers "hey, I don't know you and your not being friendly". He's a dog. Unlike conservatives that do not understand most laws, the dog is excused for not knowing the guys in black are law enforcement. So he was by the looks of it, trying to keep the big animals away from him by barking at them. Living in 'the sticks' Massachusetts, pets get dumped by parents who don't want the animals anymore and go home to tell the kids "oh, woofy got hit by a car". Dealing with such an animal that is lost, scared and confused is NOT grounds for 'go in guns blazing'! The officers for their part, look like they were trying to obtain information from the homeowner and other nearby individuals. I have no visibility on the actual police report stating the facts, nor a 'fly on the wall' of their superiors as the officers explained everything they knew leading up to the shooting itself. And neither do most of you! From the video, it looks like the officers tried to safely corner the and secure the dog by the neck with a 'catching' pole. With one officer holding (as someone in the video stated) a taser and not a pistol. For some reason, the dog was not secured and started to make a break for it. Looked for a moment like it might attack any of the officers (the female in particular) or charge a bystander. So one of the officers did what any police officer would do when lives are in jeopardy of attack by a threat: shoot to kill. Did it need five bullets? Depends: Shooting to wound and let the poor thing suffer? Shoot to kill and not let it suffer? Not an easy decision when you have a nanosecond to contemplate the choice. Does the guy have a right to sue the government over this? Yes. Will they win? I don't know. Do I think they should win? Its not my place to past judgment on it. Perhaps the city and police make a counter offer. Pay for the funeral expenses (yes, pets are family members). The officers in question (whether they did the right process or not) make a decent donation to area shelters to where this owner lives. Offer to pay the expenses (the department, not the officers) if the owner wishes to get another pet. Its not the city's fault, or the police department's. Yet, a crime was done and those involved should try their best to make amends. Its a very tough and tragic set of events. Everyone lost.

thishereboi -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/18/2013 6:25:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SweetAmber32 Whoops sorry. It was animal control. Not corrections. Isn't that the one where the lady called animal control to come out and get rid of the kittens and when the guy got there and told her they would have to kill the kittens and did she want to try to keep them, she said she couldn't? Now I would assume she thought he meant they would take the kittens somewhere else and kill them and that would have been the best way. But that isn't what happened. Either way the animals would have been killed so was she pissed because they killed them or because they did it where she could hear it happen? Edited to add a note for joe.... I really thought there was no way for someone to try and twist this into a right vs left bullshitfest but I guess I underestimated you. Is it really that hard to talk about a subject without mentioning conservatives? Do you dream about them at night? Please help me understand this obsession you seem to have.

PeonForHer -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/18/2013 6:42:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I really thought there was no way for someone to try and twist this into a right vs left bullshitfest but I guess I underestimated you. Is it really that hard to talk about a subject without mentioning conservatives? Do you dream about them at night? Please help me understand this obsession you seem to have. There's one way in which the old right v left thing is interesting to me here: righties come over all liberal and politically correct when it comes to dogs. Gives me a wry smile, it does. [;)]

thishereboi -> RE: owner suing police for killing dog (11/18/2013 6:47:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi I really thought there was no way for someone to try and twist this into a right vs left bullshitfest but I guess I underestimated you. Is it really that hard to talk about a subject without mentioning conservatives? Do you dream about them at night? Please help me understand this obsession you seem to have. There's one way in which the old right v left thing is interesting to me here: righties come over all liberal and politically correct when it comes to dogs. Gives me a wry smile, it does. [;)] Well they are mans best friend and all. Now if we could just get the owners to keep them safe we wouldn't have to read stories like this.

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