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BamaD -> El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 12:50:01 PM)

Officer Molina was rendered unconscious when his head was bashed on cement surface and Gonzales continued to beat the officer.


An El Paso police officer allegedly knocked unconscious and then beaten violently by a 17-year-old died Friday morning at University Medical Center, police said.
Officer Jonathan Molina, 29, who did tours of duty in Iraq and Afghanistan with the Marine Corps, died a little more than nine days after suffering a fractured skull, internal head injuries and facial fractures.
The suspect, Juan Antonio Gonzalez, who had been arrested on suspicion of assaulting an officer, was charged with capital murder on Friday.
Gonzalez, who was being held at the El Paso County Jail, saw his bond raised from $200,000 to $5 million.
"It is with a sad heart today that the El Paso Police Department is notifying you of the death of Officer Jonathan Molina," said Police Chief Greg Allen, who paused to control his emotions during a news conference at police headquarters. "Officer Molina will be sorely missed."
Based on three complaint affidavits, including one released Friday with the capital murder charge, here is what happened:
The incident started on Sept. 25 at 4:53 p.m. when Molina, who was off-duty, saw a young man scratch his personal vehicle with a piece of metal. The vandal was with two other man, one of whom was Gonzalez.


The silver Pontiac Grand Prix had "fresh" scratches on its right side, hood and bumper.
Molina left his home to confront Juan Antonio Gomez, who allegedly scratched the car. Police did not provide an age for Gomez, who, as of Friday afternoon, had not been charged with a crime.
Gomez, Gonzalez and the other youth, identified as Alan Medrano, 19, ignored Molina and kept walking east on the sidewalk next to Trowbridge.
Molina got into his car and followed them a way before parking in front of a home at 4120 Trowbridge.
After getting out of his car, Molina identified himself as a police officer and confronted Gomez.
Molina was "attempting to begin an investigation," the affidavit says.
Sometime during the confrontation, Molina asked a bystander to call 911.
The situation began to escalate when Gonzalez stepped between the officer and Gomez.
Molina "pushed" Gonzalez out of the way and redirected his attention to Gomez, the most recent affidavit says.
Then Gonzalez allegedly punched Molina in the face with his fist, stunning the officer.
Gonzalez then quickly grabbed Molina around his knees and jerked his legs upward, the affidavit says.
That caused Molina "to fall backwards and head first onto the concrete driveway," the affidavit says. The blow to Molina's head knocked him unconscious, it says.
Gonzalez then "squatted over (Molina) and began to beat (him) multiple times around the face and head," the affidavit says.
Bystanders approached the group and the youths "fled the scene," the affidavit says.
An ambulance took Molina to University Medical Center. Police interviewed witnesses who provided statements and a physical description of the assailant that matched Gonzalez, the affidavit says.
At 5:18 p.m., another police officer responded to the Trowbridge location on an "officer-down" call.
Officer Jose Rosales drove east into the 5100 block of Trowbridge when he saw three men -- including Gonzalez, who matched the description he heard over the radio -- walking into some apartments. Gonzalez lives in that area.
As Rosales approached the three men yelling, "Stop, police," they ran into an alley to the north.
Gonzalez and Gomez ran east down the alley, and Medrano ran west.
Rosales described all three over the radio and another officer detained Medrano in the 1300 block of Chadbourne Street. Medrano was charged with evading arrest and released on bond.
Gonzalez was found and taken into custody.
Police later contacted Gomez, who gave a voluntary statement that was recorded on video. In his statement, Gomez admitted scratching the car, demonstrated the attack by Gonzalez and confirmed that Molina had identified himself as a police officer, the affidavit says.
Police would not discuss the investigation, and an El Paso County District Attorney's Office spokeswoman could not comment on it because prosecutors have not seen the case.
However, federal law states that 17-year-olds are not eligible for the death penalty, she said. A 2005 U.S. Supreme Court split ruling outlawed the death penalty for anyone younger than 18.
Chris Roberts may be reached at [email protected]; 546-6136.




 




mnottertail -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 12:56:43 PM)

Looks like the kid should claim a stand your ground.  




joether -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 12:57:51 PM)

Ok....and what does this have to do with the P & R discussion forum? Yes, a very horrible way to die and I really hope the evil one is dragged in irons to justice REALLY soon. But not sure why you created the thread?




BamaD -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 1:15:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joether

Ok....and what does this have to do with the P & R discussion forum? Yes, a very horrible way to die and I really hope the evil one is dragged in irons to justice REALLY soon. But not sure why you created the thread?

Why start a thread when the victim shoots the kid trying to beat him to death?




mnottertail -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 1:23:51 PM)

because this is the exact opposite and  the kid should be assumed to be not guilty and it should be stand your ground.




joether -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 1:30:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
Ok....and what does this have to do with the P & R discussion forum? Yes, a very horrible way to die and I really hope the evil one is dragged in irons to justice REALLY soon. But not sure why you created the thread?

Why start a thread when the victim shoots the kid trying to beat him to death?


The actions and events is WHY the thread might be started. Or are you just 'miffed' that your star player that you defended so much in the Zimmerman thread might ACTUALLY be the criminal? An that you defended an actual criminal from the law as it advanced your political agenda on the use of firearms? That's not my problem, its yours. And thanks to the ACA and the exchanges, you can see a therapist about it.

My question still stands. What about, what this attacker did to the police officer belongs in the P & R forum? From the evidence here, it seems the individual is guilty of a bunch of things. That said, I hope he has a lawyer or the court appoints him one and he's given a fair trial.




BamaD -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 1:59:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: joether

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
quote:

ORIGINAL: joether
Ok....and what does this have to do with the P & R discussion forum? Yes, a very horrible way to die and I really hope the evil one is dragged in irons to justice REALLY soon. But not sure why you created the thread?

Why start a thread when the victim shoots the kid trying to beat him to death?


The actions and events is WHY the thread might be started. Or are you just 'miffed' that your star player that you defended so much in the Zimmerman thread might ACTUALLY be the criminal? An that you defended an actual criminal from the law as it advanced your political agenda on the use of firearms? That's not my problem, its yours. And thanks to the ACA and the exchanges, you can see a therapist about it.

My question still stands. What about, what this attacker did to the police officer belongs in the P & R forum? From the evidence here, it seems the individual is guilty of a bunch of things. That said, I hope he has a lawyer or the court appoints him one and he's given a fair trial.

Sorry I forgot that Zimmerman was convicted, that's right he wasn't because they had no case.
This does demonstrate as I pointed out in that thread that the first serious head injury can easily b fatal.
As for his current charges, if he is guilty, he's guilty.
My political agenda?
He claimed self defense and you among others spent the whole time railing against SYG which was never even claimed.
As for the exchanges, which have nothing I can afford, I am a military retiree I have military medical benefits.




Yachtie -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 2:09:13 PM)

FR

This is like being in an old west bar scene and someone yells -

FIGHT !


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VideoAdminGamma -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 2:11:35 PM)

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thishereboi -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 5:54:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Ok....and what does this have to do with the P & R discussion forum? Yes, a very horrible way to die and I really hope the evil one is dragged in irons to justice REALLY soon. But not sure why you created the thread?

Why start a thread when the victim shoots the kid trying to beat him to death?



Well there is nothing in the article that can be used against republicans, the nra, or christians so I can understand why he doesn't want to talk about it. Perhaps people would have been happier if he had shot the kid before he had a chance to kill him. Then they wouldn't be forced to make stupid remarks about stand your ground. But I do have to wonder what the result will be the next time a cop is faced with the same situation.




BamaD -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 6:29:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD

quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

Ok....and what does this have to do with the P & R discussion forum? Yes, a very horrible way to die and I really hope the evil one is dragged in irons to justice REALLY soon. But not sure why you created the thread?

Why start a thread when the victim shoots the kid trying to beat him to death?



Well there is nothing in the article that can be used against republicans, the nra, or christians so I can understand why he doesn't want to talk about it. Perhaps people would have been happier if he had shot the kid before he had a chance to kill him. Then they wouldn't be forced to make stupid remarks about stand your ground. But I do have to wonder what the result will be the next time a cop is faced with the same situation.

That alone is reason enough to start the thread.
It also destroys the "he should have taken his beating like a man" line I got so sick of hearing.




Lucylastic -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 7:47:22 PM)

oooooooooooooh now it makes sense
welll, in Bama world
by the way
he should have taken his beating like a man
was said how many times???
those exact words, and links please?




TheHeretic -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 8:09:45 PM)

FR

He was a crime victim who got pissed, and had the color of police authority to rationalize his pursuit. He followed bad procedure, and he died for being stupid.

Just my take on the information provided.




BamaD -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 9:26:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

oooooooooooooh now it makes sense
welll, in Bama world
by the way
he should have taken his beating like a man
was said how many times???
those exact words, and links please?

Not going to waste my time going through all the Zimmerman threads.I was sick of such stupidity the first time I heard it.And you know full well a number of people used some variation of the theme.




BamaD -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 9:28:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

FR

He was a crime victim who got pissed, and had the color of police authority to rationalize his pursuit. He followed bad procedure, and he died for being stupid.

Just my take on the information provided.

I have talked to you enough to know you are too smart to be saying that pounding on an unconscious man was in any way justified.




BamaD -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 9:38:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

FR

He was a crime victim who got pissed, and had the color of police authority to rationalize his pursuit. He followed bad procedure, and he died for being stupid.

Just my take on the information provided.


Another article by the El Paso times said that he saw the crime being committed and thus was within policy.




tj444 -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 9:54:29 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

FR

He was a crime victim who got pissed, and had the color of police authority to rationalize his pursuit. He followed bad procedure, and he died for being stupid.

Just my take on the information provided.


Another article by the El Paso times said that he saw the crime being committed and thus was within policy.

just based on the info so far on what the cop did, he under-estimated the teenagers and the effect telling them he was a cop would have on them.. they obviously were not intimidated or afraid cuz he was a cop (& possibly carrying a gun?).. he was also outnumbered (3 of them to one of him).. and add to that, bad luck to be blindsided like that and not (it seems) even able to mount a physical defense.. jmo..




EdBowie -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 10:09:40 PM)

Well, wasn't it established by all the medical and legal experts on the internet that no one could ever be so incapacitated by a sucker punch from a teen, that their life would be in danger?  Or was that strictly in the Yahoo comments section?




BamaD -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 10:11:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Well, wasn't it established by all the medical and legal experts on the internet that no one could ever be so incapacitated by a sucker punch from a teen, that their life would be in danger?  Or was that strictly in the Yahoo comments section?

LOL




BamaD -> RE: El Paso police officer murdered by unarmed 17 year old (11/19/2013 10:14:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Well, wasn't it established by all the medical and legal experts on the internet that no one could ever be so incapacitated by a sucker punch from a teen, that their life would be in danger?  Or was that strictly in the Yahoo comments section?

And after all Gonzales is just a young child who went for a walk with his friends.




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