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Zonie63 -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/26/2013 9:26:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I think that this matter could have been put to rest better if another lone loser by the name of Jack Ruby hadn't robbed the country of its right to try the man who murdered its President. If we had been able to put Oswald on trial and let justice prevail, it might have given the country a sense of closure, but because of what Ruby did, all we're left with is a bunch of messy conspiracy theories, most of which seem to cloud the whole affair in shroud of deceit and intrigue. Is that something that America needed and hungered for, some deeper meaning for these events? The first rule of assassination: Kill the assassins so they can't implicate you in the conspiracy. If it was a conspiracy. If it wasn't, then it makes Ruby's actions all the more curious.

slvemike4u -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/26/2013 9:44:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FellowSlave Perhaps because he was the actual assassin ? Are you a mental patient? 90% of Americans who have looked at the facts think otherwise... and the remaining 10% ask, "Who the hell was JFK". Nope,not a mental patient(though I probably could use some counseling). The available evidence points to only one sensible and undeniable conclusion....Lee Harvey Oswald did in fact shoot John F. Kennedy.....now I'm all for letting conspiracy nuts ,with their tin foil hats,have all the fun they want....but theirs nothing to see here,there's no second shooter just one lone assassin.

slvemike4u -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/26/2013 9:53:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I think that this matter could have been put to rest better if another lone loser by the name of Jack Ruby hadn't robbed the country of its right to try the man who murdered its President. If we had been able to put Oswald on trial and let justice prevail, it might have given the country a sense of closure, but because of what Ruby did, all we're left with is a bunch of messy conspiracy theories, most of which seem to cloud the whole affair in shroud of deceit and intrigue. Is that something that America needed and hungered for, some deeper meaning for these events? The first rule of assassination: Kill the assassins so they can't implicate you in the conspiracy. Than they in fact failed at the first rule....Oswald was taken into custody and could have revealed all his sordid little secrets to the Dallas Police dept(if in fact he had any other than to claim he was a patsy,a claim made without an offer of proof).....Ruby only came along later and only happened to be where he was at the exact right moment because he was sending one of his strippers money at the Western Union telegram office Ruby was home in bed at ten a.m. sent the dancer money at eleven and happened to walk over to the police dept.after Oswald was supposed to have been moved earlier.....the move was delayed at the behest of local media. Had he been moved earlier Ruby would have still been sleeping off last nights drunk. So much for assassination theories. Interesting tidbit ...it wasn't.at that time ,a federal crime to shoot a President...it was simply murder and as such would have been tried in Dallas....which would have been tough what with the body being spirited away by Jackie and the Feds.

DesideriScuri -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/26/2013 10:04:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I somewhat disagree with the view that it may have little relevance to our present national condition. In terms of the grand scale of history, 50 years is just a drop in the bucket. It wasn't that long ago, and I don't really see any obvious disconnect between the events of today and the events of 50 years ago. The decade in which it happened is viewed as a pivotal decade, the barrier between the "old paradigm" and the "new paradigm," something which still influences how we see things nowadays. Heck, stuff that happened <250 years ago are still relevant to our present national condition! [:D]

slvemike4u -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/26/2013 10:06:14 AM)
Like what exactly ?

DesideriScuri -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/26/2013 10:07:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Like what exactly ? I hope this was really a gag question...

slvemike4u -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/26/2013 10:09:23 AM)
Just a little bit [:D]

DesideriScuri -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/26/2013 10:13:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Just a little bit [:D] Good. No emoticon was included, so... [:D]

vincentML -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/27/2013 12:16:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I somewhat disagree with the view that it may have little relevance to our present national condition. In terms of the grand scale of history, 50 years is just a drop in the bucket. It wasn't that long ago, and I don't really see any obvious disconnect between the events of today and the events of 50 years ago. The decade in which it happened is viewed as a pivotal decade, the barrier between the "old paradigm" and the "new paradigm," something which still influences how we see things nowadays. Heck, stuff that happened <250 years ago are still relevant to our present national condition! [:D] Maybe only because we tell ourselves stories with great arching themes to rationalize our present activities. History can be made a useful tool.

DesideriScuri -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/27/2013 12:37:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I somewhat disagree with the view that it may have little relevance to our present national condition. In terms of the grand scale of history, 50 years is just a drop in the bucket. It wasn't that long ago, and I don't really see any obvious disconnect between the events of today and the events of 50 years ago. The decade in which it happened is viewed as a pivotal decade, the barrier between the "old paradigm" and the "new paradigm," something which still influences how we see things nowadays. Heck, stuff that happened <250 years ago are still relevant to our present national condition! [:D] Maybe only because we tell ourselves stories with great arching themes to rationalize our present activities. History can be made a useful tool. Really? The "only reason" (maybe) is for rationalization? That's it? Nothing else happened back then that is relevant to our present national condition? Just stories?!?

vincentML -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/27/2013 1:11:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I somewhat disagree with the view that it may have little relevance to our present national condition. In terms of the grand scale of history, 50 years is just a drop in the bucket. It wasn't that long ago, and I don't really see any obvious disconnect between the events of today and the events of 50 years ago. The decade in which it happened is viewed as a pivotal decade, the barrier between the "old paradigm" and the "new paradigm," something which still influences how we see things nowadays. Heck, stuff that happened <250 years ago are still relevant to our present national condition! [:D] Maybe only because we tell ourselves stories with great arching themes to rationalize our present activities. History can be made a useful tool. Really? The "only reason" (maybe) is for rationalization? That's it? Nothing else happened back then that is relevant to our present national condition? Just stories?!? In my opinion each generation has its own constellation of motivations. Each has its own selfish milieu. The greatest generation? Who cares? Baby boomers? How quaint. So, yes. I will give you something to chew on. Just rationalization. [:D]

DesideriScuri -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/27/2013 8:59:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML In my opinion each generation has its own constellation of motivations. Each has its own selfish milieu. The greatest generation? Who cares? Baby boomers? How quaint. So, yes. I will give you something to chew on. Just rationalization. [:D] The Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution don't have any relevance to our present national condition?

Zonie63 -> RE: 50 Years Ago Today: November 22, 1963 (11/28/2013 4:12:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML In my opinion each generation has its own constellation of motivations. Each has its own selfish milieu. The greatest generation? Who cares? Baby boomers? How quaint. So, yes. I will give you something to chew on. Just rationalization. [:D] I would say that generations merge and meld into each other, even as much as we try to separate and compartmentalize them as if they are completely separate organisms. I was born in 1963, so that makes me technically part of the "Baby Boom" generation, although I probably have more in common, culturally and sociologically, with people born in the mid-to-late 60s than with those born in the late 40s or 1950s.

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