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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/25/2013 10:20:36 AM

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I don't know about you, but I judge people's moral codes by results

First, there is no "result" here of the girl out the door in this article/link, only the something told second hand from an emotional teen age girl. Second, you judge them by your moral code and who is to say you are right except you, so one should keep one's moral code to yourself and not impose it on others. Now, if the parents had said to my daughter, you are wrong to not believe in our God, then I have an issue with them since they impose their moral code, as you do, on others.

I do not judge other's moral code unless they force it on me and then the issue is not their code but their action on me.

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As kids our guardians / parents exert strong influences on us, often applying their own moral values but you know what? most of us grow up unscathed because adults have the ability to develop their own personality styles and that includes their own moral values. The very reason we can talk openly about 'our' moral values is because we have joined the adult world!

I have to take issue with "most of us grow up unscathed." The evidence does not support your statement. Too many people with chronic illnesses, too many substance abusers and behavioral addicts, too many pedophiles, too many psychopaths, too many jail inmates. And too many of the rest are closeted walking wounded. Oh, almost forgot: too many Republicans.

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/25/2013 10:51:16 AM

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When I said unscathed, I was referring directly to parental/guardian influences. Not every person with a chronic illness, substance abusers, behavioural addicts, paedophiles, psychopaths and people in jail can blame it on their parent/guardians. I'm sure all of that group bar but a few can make individual moral judgement.

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/25/2013 10:57:26 AM

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As this has nothing to do with this particular story, I should really open up a new thread, but it shows more extreme christian funnymentalists view
Got this from facebook, and thru the links(for Rich)..
The page is there, but im certainly not gonna go like the page, and its a closed group...... Im guessing it will be gone soon.... hoax or just more sickness????
Christian Militia Group On Facebook Conspires To Kill President Obama (IMAGE)
http://samuel-warde.com/2013/11/breaking-christian-militia-group/
[image]https://fbexternal-a.akamaihd.net/safe_image.php?d=AQDe-fmga-f5kJud&w=398&h=208&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi0.wp.com%2Fsamuel-warde.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F11%2FFB-Nonsense.jpg%3Fresize%3D600%252C868&cfs=1&upscale[/image]

Yes the site is liberal so probably wont be believed, but hey... it is what it is
funnymentalism in any shape or form is so ugly

Far, far out. A *Brit* -in Britain - who made some joke about killing the US President found himself in trouble for it. I wonder what'll happen to these people?

As an aside: their website administrator is a man called Everest Wilhelmsen. That made me chuckle. As a kid, I believed that all Americans had names like that - things like 'Hezzejechial J. Mountainpassenburger III, Jr' and such.

'Everest'. Excellent.

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/25/2013 11:13:30 AM

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When I said unscathed, I was referring directly to parental/guardian influences. Not every person with a chronic illness, substance abusers, behavioural addicts, paedophiles, psychopaths and people in jail can blame it on their parent/guardians. I'm sure all of that group bar but a few can make individual moral judgement.

Assuming of course the parents/guardians were not themselves bonkers, incompetent, or dealing with unmanageable stressful situations, illnesses, and addictions as well. The human brain undergoes its greatest growth and neural connections before age four. How can we say negative influences did not occur? Oh and I did not use the word "blame." That was your construction on my comment.

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/25/2013 12:44:20 PM

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When I said unscathed, I was referring directly to parental/guardian influences. Not every person with a chronic illness, substance abusers, behavioural addicts, paedophiles, psychopaths and people in jail can blame it on their parent/guardians. I'm sure all of that group bar but a few can make individual moral judgement.

Assuming of course the parents/guardians were not themselves bonkers, incompetent, or dealing with unmanageable stressful situations, illnesses, and addictions as well. The human brain undergoes its greatest growth and neural connections before age four. How can we say negative influences did not occur? Oh and I did not use the word "blame." That was your construction on my comment.

yeah whatever

You seem intent on taking what I originally said off topic and making some big deal about it. You twisted my words then carried on twisting them....Ill leave you to it!

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/25/2013 2:07:37 PM

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You do know the DOG in your profile picture is dead don't you? And... it is not religious fundamentalism at fault here... or the religion itself... it is people who, through their ignorance, warp their religions teachings. They presume to know the judgment of God and feel enabled to act for him...Otherwise religious vigilantes

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/25/2013 6:23:52 PM

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it is people who, through their ignorance, warp their religions teachings. They presume to know the judgment of God and feel enabled to act for him...Otherwise religious vigilantes

That's different from religion how exactly?

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/25/2013 9:20:39 PM

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When I said unscathed, I was referring directly to parental/guardian influences. Not every person with a chronic illness, substance abusers, behavioural addicts, paedophiles, psychopaths and people in jail can blame it on their parent/guardians. I'm sure all of that group bar but a few can make individual moral judgement.

I am pretty sure he didn't mean all of them, only the ones raised by conservative christians.

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/26/2013 1:41:34 AM

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Ever wonder what it might feel like if the shoe is on the other foot? This bigoted daughter is about to find out:

"In his incredible letter, a grandfather passionately addresses his daughter's decision to kick her gay son out of the house after he decided to come out of the closet. Though we don't have the full details surrounding the incident, the grandfather tells his daughter that "kicking Chad out of your home simply because he told you he was gay is the real 'abomination' here. A parent disowning her child is what goes 'against nature.'"

In wake of his daughter's apparent disavowal of her gay son, this grandfather seems to be stepping up to the plate when it comes to his care and well-being: "He was born this way and didn't choose it more than he being left-handed. You, however, have made a choice of being hurtful, narrow-minded and backward. So while we are in the business of disowning children, I think I'll take this moment to say goodbye to you. I now have a fabulous (as the gay [sic] put it) grandson to raise..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/grandpa-letter-gay-grandson_n_4029750.html

HuffPo reckon that the grandfather is in line for a 'Grandfather of the Year' award. Let's hope the daughter discovers that families are supposed to be about love, not ideology or intolerance.

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/26/2013 9:05:20 AM

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When I said unscathed, I was referring directly to parental/guardian influences. Not every person with a chronic illness, substance abusers, behavioural addicts, paedophiles, psychopaths and people in jail can blame it on their parent/guardians. I'm sure all of that group bar but a few can make individual moral judgement.

Assuming of course the parents/guardians were not themselves bonkers, incompetent, or dealing with unmanageable stressful situations, illnesses, and addictions as well. The human brain undergoes its greatest growth and neural connections before age four. How can we say negative influences did not occur? Oh and I did not use the word "blame." That was your construction on my comment.

yeah whatever

You seem intent on taking what I originally said off topic and making some big deal about it. You twisted my words then carried on twisting them....Ill leave you to it!

Ah well, my apologies then.

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/26/2013 1:35:19 PM

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Jesus abandoned the exclusive rights to the use of the word 'Christian' when he totally ripped off David Blaine, and well... finders keepers.

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How can they be Christians if they violate the one Prime Directive Jesus of Nazarath left, "Do unto others . . ."

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/26/2013 7:07:55 PM

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How can they be Christians if they violate the one Prime Directive Jesus of Nazarath left, "Do unto others . . ."

Jesus didn't leave jack.

What we have are accounts by unknown authors who hadn't met Jesus. And disagreed about the message in a time period where falsifying history to promote one's position was the norm.

There isn't a coherent message all of which can be followed so if we're going to play the no true Scotsman that violaters aren't Christians than Christians don't actually exist.

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/27/2013 7:32:08 AM

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As much as I hate to admit it; Gotsteel has as very valid point.

Speaking as a Christian, I am going to throw in something that has always troubled me. We cannot just continue to dismiss the wing-nut section of Christianity. There are some people who consider themselves Christians, who sit in our churches, learn our teachings and then do stupid, sick, crazy and evil things in the name of Christianity. We try to distance ourselves by saying that they "are not real Christians;" but that's not good enough. Because quite often these people were created by us. They use our teachings and our Bibles and our beliefs to justify these acts and the hypocrisy of it is when we disavow the "act" but still uphold the "teaching" or "belief" that condones the act.

Example: I hear this one all the time from evangelical Christians: "Well I don't believe you ought to murder gay people but the Bible does say they are an abomination before God."

Then when some wingnut goes out and kills a gay person for being gay the same person will say "well he wasn't a real Christian."

So Gotsteel is right...our message is incoherent and left to way too many interpretations. We cannot have it both ways. If doing the wrong thing means you are not a Christian then no one is a Christian. If all Christians do wrong at some time and are still Christians then that includes our wingnuts. We cannot just dismiss people as not being Christian because their wrong was different from or "greater than" our wrong.

Christians and mainstream Christianity has yet to address those "difficult" passages in the Bible. The ones that condone rape, murder, incest, slavery, etc. Historically Christianity has been used to abuse, murder and disenfranchise people all over the world. That is our heritage and we need to own that. Then we need to decide what to do to make sure our past does not become our future.

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How can they be Christians if they violate the one Prime Directive Jesus of Nazarath left, "Do unto others . . ."

Jesus didn't leave jack.

What we have are accounts by unknown authors who hadn't met Jesus. And disagreed about the message in a time period where falsifying history to promote one's position was the norm.

There isn't a coherent message all of which can be followed so if we're going to play the no true Scotsman that violaters aren't Christians than Christians don't actually exist.

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RE: Deep, Abiding, Christian Love At Its Finest - 11/27/2013 8:27:06 AM

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For me, this is the true face of religious fundamentalism here in the US

It comes from a moral code they have that says this behavior is wrong and they are practicing tough love, tough because it is not easy to do, I am certain, and who am I to judge their moral code any more than they might judge mine, or yours for that matter?

Nice justification for stoning, female genital mutilation, honour killing, and a host of other hideous things.

Go you!

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But, are they allowed as parents to apply their moral code to their offspring? I should think that is part of parenting.

Besides, the parents did not remove the child and toss her out in the cold, that is an exaggeration, instead this is offered as fact when it really is the retelling of something heard from an emotional teen age girl at school, please... " The parents both freaked out and told her she can’t live in their house anymore if she doesn’t believe in their god", this is very much an emotional issue for the parents as it is with the girl and one need not be concerned until the girl actually is tossed out on the street. There really is nothing to see here folks.

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Nope, if your "moral code" means that you are needlessly harming your child then... fuck no.

But... to the OP: I would make the point that this kind of fucked up situation isn't necessarily typical of Christian households, and it is definitely not exclusive to them.

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