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RE: The religion of Masters - 11/26/2013 2:34:09 AM   
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Just curious how other Masters incorporate their religion into their power exchange.


Just to clear the air here....

Your question implies all masters are religious.

I'm one who isn't, so there's nothing to incorporate from my perspective. As for the subs I've owned, some practised their faith, which was fine by me - on two conditions.

First being that their religion not interfere with the overall relationship, though I made allowances for her going to church etc. The other is that they not try to recruit me to the cause, cos that ain't gonna happen...!

Focus.


Same here. Have absolutely no time in my life for religion. Don't talk to me about it and I won't walk away from you when you start. Simple rule. I have all the time in the world for respect but not for any forms of brainwashing, be it religion or just controlling people.


Not quite the same....

This "controlling people"; I like to do that to at least one.

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RE: The religion of Masters - 11/26/2013 2:53:12 AM   
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To the OP your words are not poorly written. You DO NOT have to rewrite what you wrote or state it any differently just because someone wants to hit you with an invisible baseball bat.


Too brutal, huh?



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If someone isn't religious all they have to do...is SAY SO and leave as that. They do not have to say what the THINK you wrote. I believe spirituality and D/s goes hand and hand. Your curiosity is appropriate.


Then I really wouldn't be *contributing* to the discussion. The fact that I'm not religious doesn't imply that any sub I own has to be non-religious, too. I make allowances, unlike the original wording of the OP.

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RE: The religion of Masters - 11/26/2013 3:52:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Focus50

Just to clear the air here....

Your question implies all masters are religious.

I'm one who isn't, so there's nothing to incorporate from my perspective. As for the subs I've owned, some practised their faith, which was fine by me - on two conditions.

First being that their religion not interfere with the overall relationship, though I made allowances for her going to church etc. The other is that they not try to recruit me to the cause, cos that ain't gonna happen...!

Focus.

This is how it worked in my relationship. my Owner was not at all religious, but allowed me to go to church services. Although I noticed he did call on God a lot when my head was between his legs

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RE: The religion of Masters - 11/27/2013 2:02:16 AM   
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Although I noticed he did call on God a lot when my head was between his legs


Occurs to me this might be a reason I've never gone so far as to identify as an atheist. Though shalt not be a hypocrite....

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RE: The religion of Masters - 11/27/2013 10:59:45 AM   
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Just curious how other Masters incorporate their religion into their power exchange.


Definition of religion (n)

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re·li·gion
[ ri líjjən ]


1.beliefs and worship: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life
2.system: an institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine
3.personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by

So, how does a "master" not incorporate their religion into their power exchange when executing a power exchange necessitates the use of their strongly held beliefs, values and attitudes. Even a godless person has a religion. So, all this posturing I see about being Godless as if that is a plus is amusing, but, I am curious as to why masters do not have a code of living impacting their behavior toward the people or things they master?

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RE: The religion of Masters - 11/27/2013 11:34:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas


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ORIGINAL: dananddawn

Just curious how other Masters incorporate their religion into their power exchange.


Definition of religion (n)

Bing Dictionary
re·li·gion
[ ri líjjən ]


1.beliefs and worship: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life
2.system: an institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine
3.personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by

So, how does a "master" not incorporate their religion into their power exchange when executing a power exchange necessitates the use of their strongly held beliefs, values and attitudes. Even a godless person has a religion. So, all this posturing I see about being Godless as if that is a plus is amusing, but, I am curious as to why masters do not have a code of living impacting their behavior toward the people or things they master?

Arturas


I tend to agree with you in part. But I believe most people hear the word religion and equate the word to the first two definitions that are very much tied to the belief of some higher power or god. While the third definition is not a definition most associate with the word religion...
That is why I think MarcEsadrian's statement besides being amusing is also very appropriate and on point with the third definition. Also very deserving of the sunny quote of the day. I think many like myself see that third definition is more a statement of our moral code and principles that our religion or faith in a higher power. I also think that those that see themselves as Atheists are not conveying the message that they lack a code of conduct that impacts their choices and behaviours any more than saying one is deeply religious has a higher moral code to the one than one that is not deeply religious.






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RE: The religion of Masters - 11/27/2013 12:19:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arturas


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Just curious how other Masters incorporate their religion into their power exchange.


Definition of religion (n)

Bing Dictionary
re·li·gion
[ ri líjjən ]


1.beliefs and worship: people's beliefs and opinions concerning the existence, nature, and worship of a deity or deities, and divine involvement in the universe and human life
2.system: an institutionalized or personal system of beliefs and practices relating to the divine
3.personal beliefs or values: a set of strongly-held beliefs, values, and attitudes that somebody lives by

So, how does a "master" not incorporate their religion into their power exchange when executing a power exchange necessitates the use of their strongly held beliefs, values and attitudes. Even a godless person has a religion. So, all this posturing I see about being Godless as if that is a plus is amusing, but, I am curious as to why masters do not have a code of living impacting their behavior toward the people or things they master?


Ooh, selectively literal interpretations; that always advances any discussion.

I think most reasonable people associate religion with actively worshipping God; of praying and going to church etc (or at least being seen there, to boost their status as being better than those who don't go).

By that, I'm not religious and have no religion to incorporate into my D/s, regardless of your point #3. But as others have said or implied, yes, I do have personal values, principles, beliefs, morality and all round sense of justice etc that I absolutely do incorporate. It's just that I'm not so pompously noble or arrogant to actually box and label them as my personal "religion".

About all you're achieving in trying to stir the pot here is perpetuate that most common of truths that nothing causes prejudice/trouble/hatred/violence/war amongst people like "religion" does. And that, I don't incorporate.

Focus.

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RE: The religion of Masters - 12/28/2013 4:32:55 PM   
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Just curious how other Masters incorporate their religion into their power exchange.


I started off as a Jedi Master and the mind tricks didn't seem quite right with me. So... I became a Sith and just beat her into submission.

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RE: The religion of Masters - 12/30/2013 3:52:05 PM   
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RE: The religion of Masters - 12/30/2013 4:10:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not religious and I have been with partners who were generally not into organized religion, except my ex husband.

I am fairly sure that none of them incorporated their religious beliefs into our dynamic, because it would have not worked for me at all.

In fact, my ex husband had difficulties reconciling what we did in the bedroom with being Catholic. I am Jewish, so have no such issues.

And when I yell OMG at those times, it is directed towards my partner, as MarcEsadrian said.

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RE: The religion of Masters - 12/30/2013 9:50:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		He lives by his own code of ethics. He was raised Catholic, still believes there is a God, and pretty much leaves it at that. No church, and no christian philosophies incorporated into our relationship, which is good since I stopped considering myself christian about 6 or 7 years ago.

I have my own philosophies but do not go to any church or temple. I think he sometimes rolls his eyes at some of my beliefs (while agreeing with others), but those beliefs do not interfere with our relationship so he is fine with me thinking what I do.

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RE: The religion of Masters - 12/30/2013 10:17:44 PM   
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Ooh, selectively literal interpretations; that always advances any discussion.

I think most reasonable people associate religion with actively worshipping God; of praying and going to church etc (or at least being seen there, to boost their status as being better than those who don't go).

By that, I'm not religious and have no religion to incorporate into my D/s, regardless of your point #3. But as others have said or implied, yes, I do have personal values, principles, beliefs, morality and all round sense of justice etc that I absolutely do incorporate. It's just that I'm not so pompously noble or arrogant to actually box and label them as my personal "religion".

About all you're achieving in trying to stir the pot here is perpetuate that most common of truths that nothing causes prejudice/trouble/hatred/violence/war amongst people like "religion" does. And that, I don't incorporate.

Focus.



I think clear thinking without blinders limiting the discussion of "religion" to "church doctrines" rather than core strongly held beliefs, values and attitudes, does indeed advance the discussion. Religion is not Church. Religion is Morality and many can have their own morality and thus religion completely outside of a Church door. Let's approach this from another angle, "Master" means more than one who barks orders. It means you are master of your world and your world is defined by your morality and your morality is your religion and one not necessarily defined by a fruitless need to look religious in Church each Sunday as you imply some do, not if you are a "Master".

So each of us is a free person who can decide their own religion and therefore their own morality and that morality must indeed impact all aspects of their life, including yours. I am sure I am not the only one who raises the discussion of religion of Masters to the level of personal morality and "masters" are are not as simplistic in our beliefs and thinking as you would have this CM forum believe.

In spite of the Big Green Words.

Arturas

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RE: The religion of Masters - 12/30/2013 10:34:01 PM   
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About all you're achieving in trying to stir the pot here is perpetuate that most common of truths that nothing causes prejudice/trouble/hatred/violence/war amongst people like "religion" does. And that, I don't incorporate.



I do believe that acting on strong beliefs can have good or bad consequences but that was not my point.

Nor was it my point that Religion is evil.

It is yours.


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RE: The religion of Masters - 12/31/2013 1:37:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't really practice any specific religion but, I have incorporated behaviors from a few religions into my life.

I was raised tradition Catholic. I still say grace over meals and haven't had meat on a Friday (except in the military, where there's a dispensation) in 42 years. It's not because "God says you shouldn't eat meat on Friday" (which is, actually, a common misconception). It's because of the old adage "A little suffering is good for the soul".

There are other elements of my life that come from different faiths. When my son died, last year, to the best of my ability, I "sat Shiva". he was killed over-seas so it wasn't as well done as it could have been but I did my bit.

In the Spring, I tend to celebrate something a little closer to Beltane than Easter. I prefer to celebrate re-birth/life than to obsess about death.

I don't eat anything that comes from a pig (up to and including a mad search and paying extra for Kosher Marshmallows).

Anyway, from the different faiths I've studied, I have picked up things along the way. I can't imagine them not being incorporated into my relationships since they are a part of me.

To get a bit more specific (in the hope of actually answering your question); I told my lady that I would prefer that meat not even be cooked in my house to be eaten on a Friday (we fry sausage and meatballs on Friday, if we're planning on making gravy on Saturday). Please notice I said: "prefer" because my lady is not one of these "bratty" types, she doesn't even eat meat on a Friday. I never set it down as an absolute. I made my wishes known and they have been followed.

If people would take the time to get to know others before they embark on relationships, a lot more relationships would be successful. I have never given my lady an "order" up to and including any religious practices (and she's started praying over her food, lately, too). She just knows that certain things make me happy and she is more than happy to do those things for me.





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RE: The religion of Masters - 12/31/2013 11:35:38 AM   
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About all you're achieving in trying to stir the pot here is perpetuate that most common of truths that nothing causes prejudice/trouble/hatred/violence/war amongst people like "religion" does. And that, I don't incorporate.



I do believe that acting on strong beliefs can have good or bad consequences but that was not my point.

Nor was it my point that Religion is evil.

It is yours.


Way to miss my point altogether.

I don't define something as being "evil" just cos I don't believe in it.

But if it's so important to you to continue trying to be clever with words.... <shrugs>

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RE: The religion of Masters - 12/31/2013 12:37:17 PM   
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My Religion has nothing to do with my dynamic. But I am finding my morality has been a fundamental core to my approach.

This more or less. I'm not sure I have a "religion" but I definitely have spirituality. That spirituality is what defines my sense of right and wrong... my morality. And that is more than fundamental to my approach... it's fundamental to me. It shapes every decision I make for better or worse.

For Carol and I, our dynamic is not very elaborate or sophisticated. It doesn't exist at that level at all. It is simply the primal way in which we react to each other. When my voice gets a certain tone in it her reaction is to obey. I don't punish Carol... another sophisticated construct well above the layers our dynamic operates at. We simply react to each other with me being much more inclined to "have my way" and her having a strong "preference for deference"

NOTE: Carol says my spirituality does not shape my morality, my intellect does.

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RE: The religion of Masters - 12/31/2013 3:17:41 PM   
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Although I noticed he did call on God a lot when my head was between his legs

Yeah, my man~boy~and I both do that a lot, too ... when he's between my legs....

Like DaddySatyr mentioned, saying grace at mealtime is a tradition I've always followed, even when I'm in a restaurant surrounded by strangers. I have found that being thankful and grateful for what you have been given is irrelevant to what religion you follow or choose not to follow. (My condolences, by the way, on the loss of your son.)

I have no issue if my sub is religious and wants to attend mass or church services. Humility is a virtue, no matter which side of the keel you're on. Hubris will invariably lead to one's downfall. Perhaps this is why I take exception to being addressed as "Goddess," which I would never insist upon but can tolerate on occasion coming out of the mouths of subs. I don't get offended, but I get this prickly, uncomfortable sensation from it.

The only types of worship I wouldn't allow to be practiced would be Wicca or voodoo, stuff like that; otherwise, it's a private spiritual choice, just take it easy on the tree-hugging.

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RE: The religion of Masters - 12/31/2013 3:45:07 PM   
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RE: The religion of Masters - 1/1/2014 4:48:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Religion is PERSONAL and should seldom affect someone else's lifestyle. Having said that, I am hoping everyone gets into this lifestyle with your eyes and ears open and that means you know the expectations.

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RE: The religion of Masters - 1/3/2014 11:01:13 AM   
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Religion is PERSONAL and should seldom affect someone else's lifestyle.


Yeah, now to convince those damned door-knockers of that...!

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