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Speliologist794 -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (11/26/2013 8:14:55 AM)

Only on my mother's side.





Spiritedsub2 -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (11/26/2013 12:53:09 PM)


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I just had that DNA sequencing thing done via 23andme.com and I am 10% Ashkenazi Jew. Maybe that explains my addiction to chicken soup.

It sounds as though you got a DNA test that the FDA just banned.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/fda-orders-personal-genetics-company-23andme-to-stop-selling-tests/

I don't know anything about this, except for the article, but anyone who has had DNA tests done, by any company, might want to look into it.


My take is that it doesn't seem like the problem is with the accuracy of the tests, but that the company is not following the FDA's rules for "medical devices."




Suggests you do more research... the DNA testing is pretty much BUNK!

BadOne

Over-the-counter DNA kits work perfectly to establish (or disestablish) paternity. Why not to identify known disease or ancestral markers? But like the paternity kits, beware of asking questions unless you can deal with the answers.




DomKen -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (11/26/2013 2:34:59 PM)

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Over-the-counter DNA kits work perfectly to establish (or disestablish) paternity. Why not to identify known disease or ancestral markers? But like the paternity kits, beware of asking questions unless you can deal with the answers.

Because the markers for ancestry are not clear cut. In reality at the genetic level everyone not from East Africa is essentially genetically identical. The test maker is saying such and such marker is mostly found in this group. However every single marker they are using appears in every population of any size.

Also those kits do not work perfectly to establish paternity. They will show when someone is definitely not the father but in reality those mail in tests cannot conclusively establish paternity.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (11/26/2013 5:31:59 PM)


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Only on my mother's side.





According to Jewish doctrine, that makes you Jewish. Welcome to the tribe, Spel. Maybe we could call you Sol instead?




popeye1250 -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (11/26/2013 5:41:42 PM)

Sometimes I think I am, I "channel" Rodney Dangerfield on occaision.
"You have to take four steps down to get into the place, two steps physically and two steps socially."




HarryVanWinkle -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (11/27/2013 12:21:19 PM)

I was Jewish once.

It was in the Southern Sun Groggery, in Fort Myers Beach, Florida, sometime around 1982 or ‘83.

The Grog, as we called it, was a commercial fisherman’s bar. I was, at the time, an unemployed fisherman, or should I say, between jobs. I was sitting there one night, broke and feeling sorry for myself, wishing somebody would buy me a beer or ten, when in walked this guy I’d never seen before. He looked around, spotted me sitting by myself at the end of the bar, came over, sat down next to me and introduced himself.

I can’t for the life of me remember what his name was. It doesn’t matter. What’s important is that he ordered a pitcher of beer and two glasses, filled us both up and started talking.

Now, since he was buying, and I was drinking what he was buying, that gave him the right to choose the subject of our “conversation.”

What he wanted to talk about was Jews. He didn’t approve of Jews. He didn’t like them. He didn’t have much good to say about them. In fact, he didn’t have anything good to say about them. He did have a lot of bad things to say about them.

A beer bum’s etiquette is that you don’t argue with the man who’s buying, not if you want to keep drinking his beer. So, I didn’t argue with him; whenever he slowed down and seemed to want some input from me, I threw in a, “Yeah?” or an “Uh huh?” or an, “Is that so?” whichever seemed appropriate to keep him talking and buying.

And he kept talking and buying and I kept listening and drinking. This went on for at least a couple of hours and considerably more than a couple of pitchers.

Every blood libel, every slander, every nasty thing that has been said about Jews in the last five thousand years, he had ‘em all.

They murdered Christ, he said. I didn’t tell him that when I read the story; it seemed to me that it was the Romans who did that. According to him, they barbecued Christian babies. I didn’t ask him if they butchered them in the kosher manner. They were the creators, he proclaimed, and the leaders of and directly responsible for all the bloody crimes of Communism. I didn’t ask him if that included Communism’s persecution of Jews.

The man was a walking, talking, living, breathing edition of “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.” He had more accusations against Jews than Mein Kampf. I know; I’ve actually read Mein Kampf.

But, he was buying and I was drinking and getting pretty good and drunk, like I really wanted to be.

Finally, well after I’d lost count of the number of pitchers he’d bought, he started getting really excited.

“I mean,” said he, practically jumping up and down like a man who needed to pee, “I mean… what religion are you?”

“Me?” I asked, pointing to my chest.

“Yeah, you. What religion are you?”

“Me?” I asked again, batting my big, baby blue, Ubermenschen eyes at him two or three times. “I’m Jewish.”

I would have been Hindu if they were whom he’d been talking about. I would have been a worshipper of Mumbo Jumbo, God of the Congo. I’d have even been a Christian. But, at that moment, I was a Jew and I was proud to be a Jew. I’d never before been, and never have since been, prouder to be a Jew.

The look on his face was priceless. I have never seen a man look more mortified in my entire life. Without saying another word, he got up and walked out of the bar, never to be seen, at least not by me, again.

The best part, however, was when just as the door was closing behind him, the bartender set the last pitcher he’d bought down in front of me.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (11/27/2013 12:43:56 PM)

^^Love it. Great story.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (11/27/2013 12:45:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2


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ORIGINAL: SailingBum


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

I just had that DNA sequencing thing done via 23andme.com and I am 10% Ashkenazi Jew. Maybe that explains my addiction to chicken soup.

It sounds as though you got a DNA test that the FDA just banned.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/fda-orders-personal-genetics-company-23andme-to-stop-selling-tests/

I don't know anything about this, except for the article, but anyone who has had DNA tests done, by any company, might want to look into it.


My take is that it doesn't seem like the problem is with the accuracy of the tests, but that the company is not following the FDA's rules for "medical devices."




Suggests you do more research... the DNA testing is pretty much BUNK!

BadOne

Over-the-counter DNA kits work perfectly to establish (or disestablish) paternity. Why not to identify known disease or ancestral markers? But like the paternity kits, beware of asking questions unless you can deal with the answers.


Here is an email I received from 23andme regarding the above:

Dear 23andMe Customers,

I wanted to reach out to you about the FDA letter that was sent to 23andMe last Friday.

It is absolutely critical that our consumers get high quality genetic data that they can trust. We have worked extensively with our lab partner to make sure that the results we return are accurate. We stand behind the data that we return to customers - but we recognize that the FDA needs to be convinced of the quality of our data as well.

23andMe has been working with the FDA to navigate the correct regulatory path for direct-to-consumer genetic tests. This is new territory, not just for 23andMe, but for the FDA as well. The FDA is an important partner for 23andMe and we will be working hard to move forward with them.

I apologize for the limited response to the questions many of you have raised regarding the letter and its implications for the service. We don't have the answers to all of those questions yet, but as we learn more we will update you.

I am committed to providing each of you with a trusted consumer product rooted in high quality data that adheres to the best scientific standards. All of us at 23andMe believe that genetic information can lead to healthier lives.

Thank you for your loyalty to 23andMe. Please refer to our 23andMe blog for updates on this process.

Anne Wojcicki
Co-founder and CEO, 23andMe


Just an FYI




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (11/27/2013 1:36:06 PM)

Great story.




Spiritedsub2 -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (11/27/2013 1:41:28 PM)

I got that email too.
MDA, what did you think of the results you got from 23andme?




MistressDarkArt -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (11/27/2013 6:48:55 PM)

Spirited, I'm really glad I did it.

It was startling to have them give a physical description (hair type, eye color, etc) that was right on the money. Also interesting to find out about that tiny bit of Asian heritage, and the marker information was useful to a point. By 'point', I mean that I take after my dad physically, and the gene marker information was mostly from my mom's side of the family. I really want my brother to do it so I can have the complete picture from my Dad's side, but at the moment he's unwilling. I'm not close enough with my surviving paternal uncle to make such a request. I wonder if my nephew (my brother's son) would be able to provide the same information. I know my one aunt on my dad's side died of breast cancer and I would bet it would show a whole list of reproductive-tract difficulties as well.

Since I've experienced a lot of the dad-side problems I don't need to find out about those, but the breast cancer thing is vital to me.




Spiritedsub2 -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (12/2/2013 11:20:23 AM)

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Spiritedsub2 -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (12/2/2013 11:23:36 AM)

Last try on the image:

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ShaharThorne -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (12/3/2013 5:27:23 AM)

Catholic (from the Irish side), Native American, Southern Baptist (from the Scottish side)...but I consider myself Wicca and I am ALWAYS burning candles for healing people who contact me.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: How many people here are Jewish? (12/6/2013 10:00:36 PM)

For those interested, here's another update from 23andme:

Dear 23andMe Customers,

I'm writing to update you on our conversation with the U.S. Food and Drug Administration and how it impacts you.

If you are a customer whose kit was purchased before November 22, 2013, your 23andMe experience will not change. You will be able to access both ancestry and health-related information as you always have.

23andMe has complied with the FDA's directive and stopped offering new consumers access to health-related genetic results while the company moves forward with the agency's regulatory review processes. Be sure to refer to our 23andMe blog for updates.

We stand behind the data we have generated for customers. Our lab partner adheres to strict quality standards that are part of the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments of 1988 - known as CLIA. These are the same standards used in the majority of other health and disease-related tests.

You are among the first people in the world to ever get access to their genomes. You are genetic pioneers. Thank you for your ongoing support and we look forward to continuing to serve you.

Anne Wojcicki
Co-founder and CEO, 23andMe




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