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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Yeah
And where is your source for such crap?
Anti Catholic quarterly?

investigative journalists actually. For instance:
http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/10/forbes-india-mother-teresa-charity-critical-public-review.html

since you omitted it here was your original lie on this topic:

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Almost all, as in I couldn't find any that don't, Catholic orders deposit their money in the Vatican bank. The requirements of 501(c)3 status are not nearly as restrictive as you believe. As to auditing, all that the charities have to prove is that no profits were generated inside the US

Article said nothing about catholic orders depositing their money in the vatican bank.

At most, it said ONE organization made donations to the vatican.
Other sources, such as stern, document that the sisters bank locally.
Not surprisingly, the vatican uses the vatican bank.

So unless you want to provide documentation that 19000 odd catholic orders bank at the vatican your article says nothing.

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Former volunteers and people close to the Mother House that the Vatican, home to the Pope, has control over the "monetary matters"

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Yeah
And where is your source for such crap?
Anti Catholic quarterly?

investigative journalists actually. For instance:
http://www.forbes.com/2010/08/10/forbes-india-mother-teresa-charity-critical-public-review.html

since you omitted it here was your original lie on this topic:

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Almost all, as in I couldn't find any that don't, Catholic orders deposit their money in the Vatican bank. The requirements of 501(c)3 status are not nearly as restrictive as you believe. As to auditing, all that the charities have to prove is that no profits were generated inside the US

Article said nothing about catholic orders depositing their money in the vatican bank.

At most, it said ONE organization made donations to the vatican.
Other sources, such as stern, document that the sisters bank locally.
Not surprisingly, the vatican uses the vatican bank.

So unless you want to provide documentation that 19000 odd catholic orders bank at the vatican your article says nothing.

Actually the article said

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Former volunteers and people close to the Mother House that the Vatican, home to the Pope, has control over the "monetary matters"

Also there is both the Hitchens and Chatterjee books that detail the matter as well as the testimony of several ex nuns who left the order due to its hypocrisy.

As to the other orders, the bank itself admits, finally, that around 10,000 orders do bank with it.
http://ncronline.org/news/vatican/vatican-bank-releases-financial-report-amid-concerns-over-transactions

And I can find no source for there being 19000 orders.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Ben Stein, a speech writer for Nixon and Ford, who is also an economist as well as an actor, and whos father was on the council of economic advisors under Nixon never said such a thing, even if facebook claims it true.

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Another 25 million victims of obama care.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/14/another-25-million-obamacare-victims/

That’s why the management consultants at McKinsey & Co. warned in 2011 that nearly a third of employers surveyed already were considering dropping coverage, with the figure rising among those familiar with the law’s requirements.

Takeaway: Thirty million losing insurance; 16 million gaining it. It’ll be hard for Democrats running for election this fall to defend a law that hurts twice as many people as it helps. And thats with the rosy CBO estimates for subscription.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Another 25 million victims of obama care.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/14/another-25-million-obamacare-victims/

That’s why the management consultants at McKinsey & Co. warned in 2011 that nearly a third of employers surveyed already were considering dropping coverage, with the figure rising among those familiar with the law’s requirements.

Takeaway: Thirty million losing insurance; 16 million gaining it. It’ll be hard for Democrats running for election this fall to defend a law that hurts twice as many people as it helps. And thats with the rosy CBO estimates for subscription.

Actually the real take away is that you believe liars. The author of the above article is the loon who made up "death panels."

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

So we've all heard a few of the ways that the ACA is hurting americans:


You know:

a) Higher premiums.
b) Narrower health networks.
c). Losing them access to their existing insurance, doctors, hospitals and treatments.
d). Dumping taxpayers into the pool of medicare doctors (essentially).
e). Increasing numbers of doctors fleeing the profession.
f). 50 million people will lose insurnace (net).

Ah yes. Great policy.

But here's the next disaster.

A lot of people being forced to buy the new insurance are buying bronze plans - which, essentially, pay 60%, with the patient responsible for the remainder.

The insurance of those bad, evil insurance companies, on average paid 80-90%.

So, essentially, you are paying more money for significantly worse insurance. And So the cost of those 10 guaranteed benefits of obamacare will be that what you really buy insurance for - you know - emergencies - will bankrupt the middle class.

But it gets better. Hospitals depend on those reimbursement rates to subsidize the care of medicare and indigent patients. So the switch to obamacare will all other things being equal, cause these hospitals to lose at least 30% of there revenue.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

There are now so many people losing their insurance policies now that something is going to happen.
No matter where you stand on this I think everyone is starting to realize that this isn't going to end well.

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

So is that 25- 30 million on top of your previous 50 million? Over half the available workforce is now suddenly without any health insurance?

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even though we renewed in January, and are still paying premiums, going to the same doctors, paying the same co=pays, etc..

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

So is that 25- 30 million on top of your previous 50 million? Over half the available workforce is now suddenly without any health insurance?

Just because you don't want to see it happening doesn't mean it *isn't'* happening. One of the group insurers for WV just announced 99.5% of its group insurance policies will be cancelled.

Florida BCBS announce 150,000 group policies to be cancelled. And these numbers are going to tick on and on and on.

More than a dozen insurers have already announced cancellations in group policies. Try reading a bit.

Now, believe it or not, I don't get to write the newspaper headlines. So I don't get to choose the headline numbers.

The article (which you obviously didn't read) was interesting not because of the numbers, but because it detailed people losing insurance due to job losses, and other factors between reissue dates.

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even though we renewed in January, and are still paying premiums, going to the same doctors, paying the same co=pays, etc..

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ORIGINAL: EdBowie


And quit hiding behind 'show me where I posted what I just posted'... You've refused to back up your 'Wolf!!' claims so many times .....

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You said that the blue cross policy I and thousands upon thousand of other workers in the same industry just renewed, didn't exist. [blah blah blah]