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SailingBum -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/5/2013 2:04:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Focus50


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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

I used to talk a fair amount with a woman who was an internet-famous slave. She had a widely read blog, had been Owned by a man who was powerful in vanilla life, and she had extensive email correspondence with slave women both in the US and internationally. She once said to me, "It's an open secret that Owners sometimes need to recharge." Meaning: get topped.



The dominant one getting pegged is a horse of a different color. If I were to tell my submissive to do "anything" no matter the task. Am I not the one in charge of the situation?

In my mind it's really that simple. I'm doing the telling and she is complying. My bitch will comply with whatever is asked of her...or she will no longer be my bitch


A few have expressed how "simple" it supposedly is, and it just isn't. Not with real people living a normal, happy D/s relationship, anyway. Those living the theory of it all, yeah, whatever.

You're right - I (the dom) give the commands and my sub complies. Theory, fact & practical all at work - *simple*. But there's commands and then there's commands and all relationships have lines that shouldn't be crossed. Often they're lines that are never otherwise mentioned, let alone specifically agreed to. Lines that sane and sensible couples rightly assume the other already understands, respects and agrees to.

There is nothing "simple" about male dom ordering fem/sub to peg him with a strap on. Most especially if such a possibility was never discussed at the relationship's beginning. Just as there is nothing "simple" about dom ordering sub to throw herself in front of a speeding truck...! Both are things that can and likely will affect the dynamic and welfare of the greater relationship. Respect is lost - deal breakers!

What I find both offensive and fanciful with this whole train of reasoning is the chest-beating "absoluteness" of it all. Dom commands - sub complies. Something I'd expect from D/s porn or "The Story of O" rather than real people living otherwise normal and happy D/s relationships.

Now prove my point by giving me hell on "real" and "normal"...! ;)

Focus.




Hey Focus,

As usual we are just going to have to agree to disagree. At least in my experience, A relationship "evolves" over time. If it didn't it would be one boring relationship. Like anything else ppl change over time so at some point I told my girl to do "whatever" she would comply.

It has nothing to do with chest beating. It's more about her being subservient to my desires. The girls I've chosen over the years enjoi "pleasing me" no matter what I ask of them.

I do enjoi reading your posts as they give me a differing perspective.

BadOne




SailingBum -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/5/2013 2:15:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Lets take a scenario of one Master and one female slave. Her Master is a switch and sometimes under his command, she tops him. She enjoys topping her Master under his command of course because she adores pleasing him and she doesn't lose respect for him because he's such an awesome Master to her!

Who are we to tell such people they aren't the real McCoy? of course they are the real McCoy, they just don't fit into your ideals of D/s



I'm all about whatever works for the ppl involved. If you want to have wild sex with a monkey on a iceberg... rock on with your bad self. Slap any label on it you want, dom switch master daddy.

As I said earlier... quite a few posts were talking about the "squick factor" about it. And not about the domilyness of it.

Yes yes I know domilyness is not a word

BadOne




DesFIP -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/5/2013 3:14:35 PM)

Nobody said that such a guy isn't a real dominant. What we said is that we aren't compatible with guys who want that from us.

In exactly the same way we might not be compatible with someone who wants threesomes or an open relationship. Or someone who is a staunch Republican or goes to church every Sunday.

And we have every right to pick a partner with whom we are compatible, and not be with one with whom we aren't.

I'm allowed to be squicked by that. I'm allowed to be squicked by branding. I'm allowed to hard limit both or to say no thanks to someone who wants that. And I'm allowed to lose trust for a guy who practices bait and switch by waiting until I've committed to announce I now have to peg him, or have sex with his so-called ex.

And I don't have to justify it to anyone else. Or get the approval of anyone else. My life, and I get to pick what works for me. And what characteristics and traits I need in a life partner.
Not some stranger on the internet to whom I have not agreed to submit and who is attempted to dominate me without my consent by demanding I justify my choices.




kalikshama -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/5/2013 3:16:53 PM)

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MariaB -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/5/2013 11:44:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Nobody said that such a guy isn't a real dominant. What we said is that we aren't compatible with guys who want that from us.



Yes they did. I'm not trawling through this entire thread but this was on the first page:
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

They may like to dominate but they are not a Dominant.



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And I don't have to justify it to anyone else. Or get the approval of anyone else. My life, and I get to pick what works for me. And what characteristics and traits I need in a life partner.
Not some stranger on the internet to whom I have not agreed to submit and who is attempted to dominate me without my consent by demanding I justify my choices.



Oh here we go[8|] First you tell me I'm submissive then you say I'm trying to dominate you? You suggest I'm demanding you justify your choices? Where did I say that?
You actually believe I'm trying to dominate you because I have an opinion?. You really think that? You remind me of those women who can't sit next to a lesbian in case that lesbian finds them irresistible and tries and touch them up! People stoop to all sorts to knock a debate on its head, but you take the biscuit.





Focus50 -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 5:12:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Lets take a scenario of one Master and one female slave. Her Master is a switch and sometimes under his command, she tops him. She enjoys topping her Master under his command of course because she adores pleasing him and she doesn't lose respect for him because he's such an awesome Master to her!

Who are we to tell such people they aren't the real McCoy? of course they are the real McCoy, they just don't fit into your ideals of D/s


Huh? You're actually fabricating a hypothetical to disprove something I said...? [:-]

FYI, my "ideals of D/s" are only relevant to those I'm in or considering a relationship with; that offering my opinions here doesn't mean I think it's all about me.

Focus.




MariaB -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 5:58:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Focus50


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Lets take a scenario of one Master and one female slave. Her Master is a switch and sometimes under his command, she tops him. She enjoys topping her Master under his command of course because she adores pleasing him and she doesn't lose respect for him because he's such an awesome Master to her!

Who are we to tell such people they aren't the real McCoy? of course they are the real McCoy, they just don't fit into your ideals of D/s


Huh? You're actually fabricating a hypothetical to disprove something I said...? [:-]

FYI, my "ideals of D/s" are only relevant to those I'm in or considering a relationship with; that offering my opinions here doesn't mean I think it's all about me.

Focus.


Huh? did I quote you? What I said came directly under your post but it wasn't aimed at you. It was just something that came to mind regarding this topic.




Focus50 -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 12:33:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Huh? did I quote you? What I said came directly under your post but it wasn't aimed at you. It was just something that came to mind regarding this topic.


Okay; fair point.

My point is a composite. As you say, you posted straight after me, the post stamp says "in reply to Focus50", you didn't quote anyone else, your post was 2 hours after mine and 4 hours after the next previous and your very last phrase said, "they just don't fit into your ideals of D/s". <phew>

The "your" implies you're talking to or about someone specific...? SailingBum, maybe? Anyway, sorry 'bout that. [:)]

Focus.





Focus50 -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 12:46:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SailingBum

Hey Focus,

As usual we are just going to have to agree to disagree. At least in my experience, A relationship "evolves" over time. If it didn't it would be one boring relationship. Like anything else ppl change over time so at some point I told my girl to do "whatever" she would comply.

It has nothing to do with chest beating. It's more about her being subservient to my desires. The girls I've chosen over the years enjoi "pleasing me" no matter what I ask of them.

I do enjoi reading your posts as they give me a differing perspective.


This new, more mellow you that I'm not accustomed to, that's you evolving...? lol

Anyway, yeah, relationships evolve. Conversely, even long term relationships have been known to crash and burn, too. A dom suddenly turning switch on his sub - that can easily go both ways, no?

Focus.





MariaB -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 1:08:30 PM)

Thats okay Focus! What I hypothesized had a question attached and the 'we' and the 'your' were general but I can see how you thought it was for you. If anything it was directed at a few much earlier posters.




SailingBum -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 2:02:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Focus50


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ORIGINAL: MariaB

Huh? did I quote you? What I said came directly under your post but it wasn't aimed at you. It was just something that came to mind regarding this topic.


Okay; fair point.

My point is a composite. As you say, you posted straight after me, the post stamp says "in reply to Focus50", you didn't quote anyone else, your post was 2 hours after mine and 4 hours after the next previous and your very last phrase said, "they just don't fit into your ideals of D/s". <phew>

The "your" implies you're talking to or about someone specific...? SailingBum, maybe? Anyway, sorry 'bout that. [:)]

Focus.




LOL what are you dragging me into the fray for!?!?!?! I'm innocent I tell you ... Just ask me.

BadOne






PeonForHer -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 2:13:43 PM)

FR

Hmm. Interesting thread.

Were a woman to demand that I whop one up her poop-chute (with my own fleshly dick or a plastic one) . . . I'd feel it as a submissive thing for me to do. Very much so - and a turn-on as a result. As a sub male living in the F/m world, I'm probably a great deal less "natural" than those living in the M/f world, tragically.




DesFIP -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 2:16:58 PM)

Not at all, peon.
But remember, it isn't natural for a female to penetrate a male since we lack the appropriate appendage.
For a male sub, being told to penetrate his partner is natural, meaning common and customary for intercourse.




crazyml -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 2:17:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Hmm. Interesting thread.

Were a woman to demand that I whop one up her poop-chute (with my own fleshly dick or a plastic one) . . . I'd feel it as a submissive thing for me to do. Very much so - and a turn-on as a result. As a sub male living in the F/m world, I'm probably a great deal less "natural" than those living in the M/f world, tragically.


Do you realise that there is probably now a bevvy of randy stoats mulling this post over while banging out a familiar tune on the "lady ukulele"?




PeonForHer -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 4:36:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
But remember, it isn't natural for a female to penetrate a male since we lack the appropriate appendage.


So you buy or make the appropriate appendage, like you do for turning screws or writing. Humans 'naturally' make tools - that's what is natural for humans.

i think that argument is a bit of a dead end, though. What's seen to be 'natural' or 'unnatural' is so arbitrary as to be almost meaningless. Both men and women stink of sweat and faecal matter 'naturally', yet they use soap and deodorant. We have sex for fun and not just to procreate. 'Natural' or 'unnatural' . . . neither matters. Waste of time.




PeonForHer -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 4:39:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crazyml


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

Hmm. Interesting thread.

Were a woman to demand that I whop one up her poop-chute (with my own fleshly dick or a plastic one) . . . I'd feel it as a submissive thing for me to do. Very much so - and a turn-on as a result. As a sub male living in the F/m world, I'm probably a great deal less "natural" than those living in the M/f world, tragically.


Do you realise that there is probably now a bevvy of randy stoats mulling this post over while banging out a familiar tune on the "lady ukulele"?




Really? Fecking preverts. They should have cold showers. Disgusting!




sunshinemiss -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/6/2013 9:11:05 PM)

Does anyone even know what Peon and ML just said? Anyone? Beuller?




thishereboi -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/7/2013 7:06:37 AM)


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ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss

Does anyone even know what Peon and ML just said? Anyone? Beuller?



let me see if I can help you out

peon: Hmmm interesting thread. If a women asked me to fuck her in the ass (with my dick or a strap on) I would feel it was a submissive thing to do. Very much so and it would turn me on. As a sub male living in the F/m world, I'm probably a great deal less "natural" than those living in the M/f world, tragically.

crazyml: Do you realize that there is probably a lot of horny guys reading this and masturbating.

peon: really, fucking perverts. They should take a cold shower, disgusting


At least that is how I read it. It's just a shame that you can't hear peon actually saying this because he has an incredibly sexy accent that the written word just can't convey.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/7/2013 7:21:13 AM)

FR~

I haven't read all of the posts but just the title of the tread, to me anyway, is a conflict within itself.

Surely, the terms "Dominant men" and "receiving strap-on sex" in the same sentence is a mutually exclusive oxymoron??
Usually, most people give those 'dominants' that like to receive such, a different name.... like 'Switch'??
In which case, that means they aren't 'Dominant'.
In the same way that when a sub also likes to be in charge sometimes is also called a 'Switch'.... no longer just a 'sub'.




ResidentSadist -> RE: Dominant men recieving strap-on sex? (12/7/2013 7:37:10 AM)

. . . and here we are on page six.

Like RedMagic pointed out about the doer and doee having different roles, homophobic prison sex morals are that only the cocksucker is gay, The guy who was cumming is a man's mouth gets a "pass" and it doesn't affect their hetro standing. I don't see it that way, but all those guys in the closet getting their dicks sucked in prison see it that way. Somehow, I think the anal penetration issue gets clouded by the macho role, feminine role and homophobia. What if we take homophobia out of it?

If getting it in the ass is a "natural" course of sexual events and both parties are using their "natural" sex organs (cocks), how does that play on the dominance scale for the receiver of anal?

If whopping big butch fag was getting reamed up the ass, would you think he was a switch or committing a submissive act?

What about two mustache fags taking turns at rear entry? Are they switching?

What about two sissy twinks . . . is the one penetrating that ass being dominant?




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