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jlf1961 -> YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 5:37:00 AM)
Okay, I am all for fair and humane treatment of animals, and yes I hunt. However, considering that animals, with few possible exceptions, do not have the higher reasoning ability of humans (I admit, that ability is lacking in some humans) and therefore should not be considered as equals to humans. However, some animal rights group thinks otherwise. quote: US lawsuit claims chimpanzees are 'legal persons' The animal rights group The Nonhuman Rights Project has filed a lawsuit in the United States to establish a chimpanzee as a "legal person". The group's president, Steve Wise, told the BBC Radio 4's Today programme that he is specifically filing lawsuits on behalf of the "four surviving chimpanzees in the state of New York" so that they have the right to no longer be "imprisoned". "We are asking the courts to remove them to a sanctuary," where they would be "as free as they can be in North America". He added: "We have consciously modelled [the lawsuit] upon the way both British and American courts dealt with black slaves in the 18th and 19th centuries who sought freedom." Alright, I have heard we share something like 95% of our DNA with chimps, but that 5% is a big difference. We share 65% of our DNA with some species of fish, do we want to make them people too?

Nosathro -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 8:06:03 AM)
Animal care has been an issue. Some places should be shut down. And animal removed.

Yachtie -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 8:07:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Alright, I have heard we share something like 95% of our DNA with chimps, but that 5% is a big difference. We share 65% of our DNA with some species of fish, do we want to make them people too? Only if they can vote.

RottenJohnny -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 1:28:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Alright, I have heard we share something like 95% of our DNA with chimps, but that 5% is a big difference. We share 65% of our DNA with some species of fish, do we want to make them people too? Actually, I'm going the other way... Steamed monkey knuckles... Chimped Beef on toast... "Ham" and eggs... [:D]

FelineRanger -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 1:50:43 PM)
The lawsuit is IMO an absurd way to deal with simple cases of animal cruelty. Read further in the article or find another one covering the same issue and you'll find that the chimps specifically named are being kept in atrocious conditions.

EdBowie -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 2:20:48 PM)
Animals not having status or standing as other than chattel is pretty well settled law, but if this does get a few animals out of horrible conditions I'd be happy. For arguments sake, if someone were to make a quantifiable set of necessary requirements for personhood, who would score the highest... embryos, grown primates, politicians, or corporations?? [;)]

vincentML -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 4:13:11 PM)
quote: Okay, I am all for fair and humane treatment of animals, and yes I hunt. However, considering that animals, with few possible exceptions, do not have the higher reasoning ability of humans (I admit, that ability is lacking in some humans) and therefore should not be considered as equals to humans. The law suite doesn't say 'people.' It says 'legal persons.' There are similar state legislative initiatives for embryos who lack higher reasoning ability as well. Once you open that door . . . see? quote: Alright, I have heard we share something like 95% of our DNA with chimps, but that 5% is a big difference. We share 65% of our DNA with some species of fish, do we want to make them people too? Where is that in the Constitution? The percentage quantity of DNA required to be a legal person? [:D]

Raijin -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 4:41:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Alright, I have heard we share something like 95% of our DNA with chimps, but that 5% is a big difference. We share 65% of our DNA with some species of fish, do we want to make them people too? Only if they can vote. what makes you think they don't vote congress is run by them and our presidents model themselves after them ===> case in point Bush compairison

LookieNoNookie -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 5:54:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Okay, I am all for fair and humane treatment of animals, and yes I hunt. However, considering that animals, with few possible exceptions, do not have the higher reasoning ability of humans (I admit, that ability is lacking in some humans) and therefore should not be considered as equals to humans. However, some animal rights group thinks otherwise. quote: US lawsuit claims chimpanzees are 'legal persons' The animal rights group The Nonhuman Rights Project has filed a lawsuit in the United States to establish a chimpanzee as a "legal person". The group's president, Steve Wise, told the BBC Radio 4's Today programme that he is specifically filing lawsuits on behalf of the "four surviving chimpanzees in the state of New York" so that they have the right to no longer be "imprisoned". "We are asking the courts to remove them to a sanctuary," where they would be "as free as they can be in North America". He added: "We have consciously modelled [the lawsuit] upon the way both British and American courts dealt with black slaves in the 18th and 19th centuries who sought freedom." Alright, I have heard we share something like 95% of our DNA with chimps, but that 5% is a big difference. We share 65% of our DNA with some species of fish, do we want to make them people too? I currently share 54% with monkeys but....I"m willing to share more for cash.

RottenJohnny -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 6:13:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raijin what makes you think they don't vote congress is run by them and our presidents model themselves after them ===> case in point Bush compairison If all Presidents model themselves after chimps then I dare you to make the same comparison with Obama and see what it gets you.

kdsub -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 6:16:32 PM)
It seems to me that science has shown that some studied animals have brains that are little different from ours except in degrees of sophistication. They are able to reason…make and use tools… recognize the meaning of self and death. They certainly have the same emotions as we do from fear, anger, and sorrow to joy and devotion. So…where do we draw the line… Do we kill and eat our own intellectually disabled. Do civilized people cage…abuse…kill…and eat those that are simply not as smart as they, at least when there is an alternative? Personally I am not a fanatic over this… I understand we must eat to survive and this will mean killing…BUT… I believe when we can we should protect all life. By protecting the creatures around us we protect ourselves and our future on this earth. Butch

Raijin -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 7:46:42 PM)
well just remember you asked for it, in Obama's case he a special breed apart of the primates http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/9/8/6/9/4/7/obama-donkey-59981339370.jpeg

RottenJohnny -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 8:32:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Raijin well just remember you asked for it, in Obama's case he a special breed apart of the primates http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/0/0/1/9/8/6/9/4/7/obama-donkey-59981339370.jpeg Ok. That's funny but not even close to what I was asking for. I'll give you a C+.

RottenJohnny -> RE: YOu have got to be kidding! (12/4/2013 8:50:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RottenJohnny "Ham" and eggs... Oh, c'mon. Nobody got that joke?...Really?...NASA?...Project Mercury?...No?...Nothing? I am SO disappointed with the space geeks around here. [:(]

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