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Fetish Hotels - 12/7/2013 10:46:38 AM   
Scorpion18


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Together, my sub and I have started to plan for my retirement as a wage slave. And, for some time, the thought of turning my flat and modest pension pot into a kinky business has been slowly circling in the back of my mind.

So, may I ask for your collective wisdom?

Have you ever stayed somewhere, in the UK, you might call a Fetish Hotel? Do you know of any (I've Googled a few and seen a couple on Fet but there don't seem to be many)? Would you use one if they were easier to find? And, most importantly, what would be important in your choice? Location? Price? Facilities? B&B only or full dining experience? A CollarMe discount? Would you stay for a 1, 2 or 3 day kinky break or combine it with a vanilla holiday?

Thanks for reading.

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/7/2013 11:17:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Love the pink beard :) Since you live in a touristy area, you might get interest from people wanting to combine fetish and vanilla. I suspect though that people looking for a more intense experience would prefer somewhere more secluded than a flat (how soundproof could you make it?). How about specialising in something fluffy like maid training?

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/7/2013 11:47:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Scorpian, I have known of a few fetish hotels in the UK. I went to the closing down sale of the Purple Palace in London. It was a Canadian pro Domme who had set her dungeon up as a b&b but it failed miserably and she had to sell up. I suspect it wasn't successful because it was all a bit grubby.

The Fetish Retreat in the south west of the UK looks like a nice venue and I've read some good reviews on that place and then there is Ess&Emms B&B in Warwickshire but they have out-priced themselves.

If I was going to open such a business I would be hiring out dungeon space on an hourly, half day/full day rate as well as overnight stays and I would be doing it at a realistic price. The reason this sort of business often fails is, they out-price themselves in a very small market. People will look around and find cheaper alternatives and because the UK scene is small, word quickly gets round if you don't live up to someone's expectations.

I would also be concerned with a flat. There are things you can do to help block out noise but there are no guarantees your neighbours won't hear and become suspicious.

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/7/2013 11:59:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		My ex slave's sister runs a large kinky lesbian only resort in the Keys. The resort is more like a hotel with cottages on the beach.

A friend of mine ran a leather B&B in a large English Tudor house staffed with slaves and dungeon in stone walled basement. It included meals, use of the dungeon and gear. He hosted excursions to leather clubs and events in the city.

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/7/2013 12:23:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		When you mention using your flat, do you mean actually using it as a location for the b&b, or selling the flat and using the money to buy somewhere?

It seems like a flat would be a disastrous location - you would attract a lot of opposition from your neighbours and I'd be surprised if there wasn't some sort of planning permission requirements that a hotel would need.

I've never been to such a place and probably wouldn't want to for a number of reasons - even though I'm kinky I'm also pretty private, and I'd be concerned about how much I'm going to brush up against other people's sexual activity. It's one thing watching people play at a party, it's another thing seeing them playing in the breakfast room, you know? Though there might be people who aren't bothered by that (as far as kinksters go, I'm kind of a prude) I'd imagine you need to make sure everyone has the same expectations.

Now if it were a totally ordinary b&b experience, with on site dungeon facilities that I could hire either just for us, or to host a party, I can see that being an attractive choice. I guess personally I'd want some reassurance that there was good soundproofing between the rooms and that I'm not going to be engaged in any sort of scene with staff or other guests.

I don't think whether it was full dining or not would make a big difference in my choices - I assume you aren't so far from a town that eating out would be difficult. B&B seems more realistic for a small start-up, since it's hard to maintain the staff and ingredients for a full menu if you might not have many people eating there.

What I will say is that no matter how nice the idea of a kink friendly stay may seem, I would absolutely not go unless I was convinced the basic hotel experience was going to be good. Clean new facilities, reliable and professional staff, decent food. It would have to be a good place to stay primarily, with the kinky stuff just being an added bonus.

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/7/2013 12:24:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wouldn't pick a location based on it. If I knew that such a place existed I would choose that over another hotel.

Based on that on datum I think you need to advertise, advertise advertise.

Actually, right now my head is swimming with ideas that would be very kink friendly Of course they are mostly maledom/femsub type things. I think that may be the biggest problem: every one has different kinks. Something I think every one would like: a garden where you can take your sub for a walk on a leash without prying eyes. Something that would be less popular: tables with one less chair, the idea being that the sub eats from the dominants hands.

Actually, that last bit could work as an option if not a standard. The garden would be a real selling point. There are a lot of other ideas I have but most are unworkable.

The best way to find if this is a viable idea? Open up and see who comes.

I probably won't because England is a bit of a hike from Virginia, but I wish you well.

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/7/2013 12:43:50 PM   
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A friend of mine ran a leather B&B in a large English Tudor house staffed with slaves and dungeon in stone walled basement. It included meals, use of the dungeon and gear. He hosted excursions to leather clubs and events in the city.

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In England ?


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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/7/2013 1:00:12 PM   
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I wouldn't pick a location based on it. If I knew that such a place existed I would choose that over another hotel.

Based on that on datum I think you need to advertise, advertise advertise.

Actually, right now my head is swimming with ideas that would be very kink friendly Of course they are mostly maledom/femsub type things. I think that may be the biggest problem: every one has different kinks. Something I think every one would like: a garden where you can take your sub for a walk on a leash without prying eyes. Something that would be less popular: tables with one less chair, the idea being that the sub eats from the dominants hands.

Actually, that last bit could work as an option if not a standard. The garden would be a real selling point. There are a lot of other ideas I have but most are unworkable.

The best way to find if this is a viable idea? Open up and see who comes.

I probably won't because England is a bit of a hike from Virginia, but I wish you well.


The problem is, the population of BDSMers in England is around .02% and the proportion in the US are going to be roughly the same. Half of those people are going to be couples that probably have all the stuff they need at home. The customer base is minuscule and this is why so many fetish businesses are run on a hobby basis only. There's very little you can do in the fet world that will earn you a decent living.

I have been to OWK (Other World Kingdom) in Prague and this place was an industry of activities. Even though it was world famous and had so much going for it, it couldn't survive.


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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/7/2013 1:26:17 PM   
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When you mention using your flat, do you mean actually using it as a location for the b&b, or selling the flat and using the money to buy somewhere?

It seems like a flat would be a disastrous location - you would attract a lot of opposition from your neighbours and I'd be surprised if there wasn't some sort of planning permission requirements that a hotel would need.


Yeah, I'm sure there's zoning and insurance issues that would prohibit someone from turning their apartment/condo into a hotel. I've heard a lot of those people that do Airbnb in NYC are getting in trouble with their landlords and the city. And that's not even taking into account the adult nature of the business, which could potentially get the OP shut down, evicted or worse.

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/8/2013 1:00:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think a retreat out in the country with individual cabins would be cool. Walking paths and al fresco dining.A salt water pool to swim in.

Perhaps having a regular bnb hotel and booking kink weekends once a month would work?

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/8/2013 6:00:05 AM   
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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/8/2013 6:06:48 AM   
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This list is a bit out of date but has some more locales too

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/8/2013 6:39:17 AM   
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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/8/2013 6:55:45 AM   
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http://www.hoxtondungeonsuite.co.uk/gallery/ Looks good, though I wouldn't be using any of those whips, gags or anal hooks!


Yeh, call me old fashioned but there was a LOT of kit in those rooms that I wouldn't want to share with strangers. I wouldn't particularly like to be the person responsible for cleaning everything after each person left. I wonder what kind of protocol is in place for letting the staff know what has been used - I'm skeptical that they sterilize every one of those items after every guest.

I have to admit it looked classier than I expected, though.

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/8/2013 7:14:43 AM   
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Try Twisted Cedar.

This list is a bit out of date but has some more locales too

Whoops, just noticed you said UK

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/8/2013 9:41:02 AM   
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A friend of mine ran a leather B&B in a large English Tudor house staffed with slaves and dungeon in stone walled basement. It included meals, use of the dungeon and gear. He hosted excursions to leather clubs and events in the city.

good luck



In England ?


Good catch. My bad, should have mentioned it was US in Connecticut.

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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/8/2013 11:06:07 AM   
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In England ?

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Good catch. My bad, should have mentioned it was US in Connecticut.


Thanks for clarifying.

I think if you can offer something more than just accommodation with a dungeon, you are more likely to be a success. Being in the same neighbourhood as a good BDSM club or fet market, especially if you are offering a taxi, would be a big plus.


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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/9/2013 9:06:35 AM   
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The problem is, the population of BDSMers in England is around .02% and the proportion in the US are going to be roughly the same. Half of those people are going to be couples that probably have all the stuff they need at home. The customer base is minuscule and this is why so many fetish businesses are run on a hobby basis only. There's very little you can do in the fet world that will earn you a decent living.



Thank you for saving me the time it would have taken me to type this.

I often see threads like this where people are proposing turning their kink into a kinky business. The problem is that they typically think more with their penis than they do with their brains about such ventures. And as a result, they typically lose all their money and go out of business.

Regardless of whether the business is owned by a kinkster or a vanilla person, business is still business. You have to do your due diligence. You have to do a thorough market analysis and determine if your business idea is viable. When it comes to kinky businesses, the answer is most often "no" for exactly the reasons MariaB has stated above.

Here are a few questions that you need to think through:
-Have you done a thorough market analysis? How big is the "kink market" in your area?
-Will your business require out-of-town customers to be viable, or can the local market support your business?
-How do you plan to make your target market aware of your new business? How much will that cost?
-How much will the entire project cost?
-How do you plan to finance your venture?
-If you plan to get a bank loan, do you think a banker will agree to finance a "fetish hotel"?
-Do a 5 year pro forma analysis. When do you anticipate your venture will be "in the black"?
-What is your anticipated cash flow for the business? Can you live off of this during your retirement?

The OP stated that he was looking to do this as part of his retirement. I don't know what his financial situation is, but I'd strongly advise against this if you are hoping that this kinky venture will fund your retirement. It is far more likely that it will eat up your pension funds, and you will have to go back to work during your golden years.

I strongly suggest that you do a Business Plan before investing any money into this venture. Be sure to use CONSERVATIVE estimates when doing your pro formas.

While I believe in being an optimist, when it comes to business, my advice is always "Plan for the worst, but hope for the best".

Good luck to you.
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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/9/2013 10:55:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rochsub, I think your advice is very pertinent. I was tempted to type something similar but felt like I was being a bit of a stick in the mud.

If the investment requires only time, then he can afford to take some risks but putting a pension fund into a BDSM business like this is a huge risk. If you really want to invest in something in the community, there are much lower risk alternatives. When we started 'Edge play' we were able to do it for a very small investment. All it really took was a good amount of time, as is appropriate for any start up business and as the business grew the costs scaled with it.

Anyone who is building a business, particularly if its in retirement, should be planning their exit... how are they going to get the money out of it? There's also an intangible here, could you spend your time more profitably doing something else? I think the answer is clearly yes.

I get the impression the op came here to voice his idea and see what the response is. Whenever you voice a BDSM start up business on a BDSM site you are priming people to respond positively and you will nearly always get a positive response. Ask those people for a commitment and they won't commit (in this case they can't commit because most are thousands of miles away). What I'm saying is, the response you get on here is valueless.



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RE: Fetish Hotels - 12/9/2013 12:09:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I once spoke to Alex and Allie who ran a local dungeon here in San Jose (Edges) about making money.
Pretty much, they said it's difficult, mainly because you have to make all your money off the men, and, you must deal with the local authorities, whether you like it or not.
If you can resolve how to get the money off the men, and how to keep the business in business where you want it to be, you're golden!

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