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EdBowie -> RE: Manuel Ramos should die a horrible death (12/7/2013 11:36:58 PM)
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Being stopped for no reason, being questioned with no cause, and being harassed etc. are not the same thing as 'stop and frisk'.
The former tactics are called 'rousting'. Stop and frisk is a weapons pat down, when there is an articulable reason to suspect weapons.
The way you used the term was misleading... (that only certain cities allow stop and frisk). I took the time to offer anyone who wanted to get useful information, the name of the controlling Supreme Court ruling on 'stop and frisk', often referred to as a 'Terry pat-down'.
So instead of reading the facts, you just completely make up the straw man that I said that rousting never happens, when in fact I clearly said just the opposite, and even gave NYC and Arizona as examples...
Why is that?
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ORIGINAL: tj444
yeah, sure, tell that to some people (usually black males) who get stopped way too frequently, one area I read about in FL it was very common, one guy said he was stopped almost daily, and as many as 3 times in one day.. one guy was repeatedly arrested at his workplace for "trespassing".. WTF?.. when its mostly (usually poor/low income) blacks subjected to this, well, who is gonna slap the locality down?
"The paper told the story of Earl Sampson, a 28-year-old Miami Gardens resident who has been stopped and questioned 258 times in four years, searched more than 100 times, and arrested and jailed 56 times. The worst offense he’s been convicted of? Possession of marijuana.
But the truly mind-blowing thing about the case is that Sampson has been arrested dozens of times for trespassing at the convenience store where he works.
You didn’t read that wrong: He has been arrested, sometimes several times in one week, for loitering or trespassing at his workplace. And the cops know who he is and that he works there, because it is often the same cops who conduct the arrests – over and over again.
From the Herald:
One video, recorded on June 26, 2012, shows Sampson, clearly stocking coolers, being interrupted by MGPD Sgt. William Dunaske, who orders him to put his hands behind his back, and then handcuffs him, leads him out of the store and takes him to jail for trespassing.
More than once, [store owner Alex] Saleh has told police that Sampson is an employee and is not trespassing."
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2013/11/meet-man-repeatedly-arrested-trespassing-his-job/7676/
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ORIGINAL: EdBowie
All US jurisdictions allow stop and frisk for legitimate safety purposes as set forth in the original Supreme Court ruling of Terry v. Ohio, and subsequent refining cases.
Every time a locality (like NYC or Arizona) has tried to ignore the Constitution, and let the police stop anyone based just on appearances, they've been slapped down in court, and had to pay out large sums of (the taxpayer's) money.
That's on the politicians, more than the individual cops.
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ORIGINAL: tj444
I particularly dislike the Police State where cops feel entitled to stop and frisk anyone they don't like the look of (even tho only certain cities allow stop & frisks, as I understand it) or feel they are above the law or that their job title gives them the right to beat the shit outta someone just cuz they feel like doing it that day & any minor excuse will do.. The cops that do these things (and the cops that defend their actions) give all cops a bad name, give all cops a higher risk job and create a distrust of police by (generally) law abiding people..
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