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MistressDarkArt -> White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/9/2013 9:26:40 PM)

My parents taught me how to work with dreams when I was a little girl. I have successfully used what I learned throughout my life to explore, gain information and resolve problems. Recently I've been waking up after intense dream experiences (not necessarily lucid or out-of-body) with the sound of loud static in my ears. It is not the rushing noises like a train that occur during exit to OBE but a more constant white noise like 'fine-grained' radio static (sorry, that's the best I can do to describe it). It gradually fades in a few minutes as I note my dream images on waking and the rest of my body wakes up.

It's not disturbing, but it is new and I'm curious. Anybody want to guess?



DomKen -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/9/2013 10:07:53 PM)

That's tinnitus you should talk to an ENT doc about it. It could be something serious.



MistressDarkArt -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/9/2013 10:28:53 PM)

Thanks for the reply, Ken. I've been checked out since then and I'm a-ok. I don't 'hear things' at any other time; just on awakening from the dream. If I wake up without recalling a dream, I don't have it.

I know there's more out there than what our waking selves view as reality, but cripes, I don't know if I want to break through to some 'other side'. I like this one. [&:]



MasterCaneman -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/9/2013 11:57:25 PM)

Personal question, but have you ever had a concussion, MDA? I've had...several...and I sometimes experience phantom sounds at odd times, occasionally when I awake. Of course, I also was a headbanger and artilleryman in my youth, and shot far too many firearms without hearing protection, but one of the docs I talked to about it said my repeated hits to the noggin may have something to do with it as well.



AthenaSurrenders -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/10/2013 12:53:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt

It's not disturbing, but it is new and I'm curious. Anybody want to guess?



I have no idea, but it sounds like a wonderful set up for a short story. Would you mind me using it?



MistressDarkArt -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/10/2013 12:55:03 AM)

No concussion I'm aware of, MC.

I've been doing more reading on this. Apparently lots of people experience the static noise in a hypnogogic state during sleep paralysis. What's happening to me doesn't really fit the exact description of what occurs (i.e. only happens coming out of the dream, not going in), but then, I always seem to do things rather catawampus.

I'll ask the dream power what this phenomenon is all about. It usually gives me answers, even if they come in riddles I have to decipher. I feel like I'm starting to sound a little more woowoo than my usual, practical earthbound self, but this is very strange.



Raijin -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/10/2013 5:33:43 AM)

If i may , i have a few additions, you might consider in your routine to look out for and take note of, a little about me first might help in understanding my ?'s alil better, I was a hearing aide technician for 11 years working for both Starkey Enterprise and Oticon Ind. , basically put i built hearing aides for the hearing impaired from taking initial walk ins to patient final fitting, im no Ear specialist so don't quote me or take this for factual advise but these were some of the more common issues with white noise, but being in the business for that period of time you tend to pick up on a few things, DomKen was right it very well could be tinnitus or at the very least the early stages of it so you should at the very least talk to a specialist about that as that is mainly due to lack of proper blood flow to the ear canal, but there are other common things people take for granted , do you by chance wear a Jabbra blutooth device or a ear buds/ or in the canal speakers commonly found with an mp3 player as opposed to headphones , if so you might be over stressing your ears in this case abusing them as much as we all enjoy that word , in this event it could be worse then you might think
Most hearing aides produced now a days have noise cancellation software encoded into the hearing aides allow them a range from around 22db to about 50db,"they can go higher but in most cases they are built around 65db down"
and most mp3 players can hit the 80-120db range, if you are using a devise listed above, you might consider the 60/60 rule 60 minutes with ear buds and then switch the head phones, or 60 minutes without, why would this be of concern now and only with mp3 type players , well in the old days back when everyone had walk-mans they could only hold the amount of songs that were on the disk which entailed a couple hours at best of actual play time so people used them less, in today's world of micro tech you can now enjoy 1000's of songs and virtually unlimited play time with them
and at those dB's they can be very harmful especially in long term durations

another possibility is an abundance of ear wax in the canal, how can this be a cause you could have an intense dream that raises your heart rate , increasing your body temp and then you roll over onto your bed and cover your ear and your elevated body temp melts the wax and causes a skinned over bubble in your canal which acts as a second ear drum and when you roll back over the wax semi hardens but may not cover your complete ear canal and may allow sound to funnel past it and act like a torn drum skin reverberating with any sound focused on it

and lastly as a hearing aide tech i have seen many strange things in hearing aides and come out of them, for instance, are you a gardener if so you might consider getting your ears checked often , they don't call them earwigs without a reason and i have found them inside of hearing aides before along with spiders, and various hard beetles and grubs
other things to consider, surfer's ear or swimmers ear, basically put cool and moist air and moisture being blasted into the ear constantly for instance if you are a canoeist or shoot the rapids ear protection is usually required to keep the elements out and to protect the ears as the inner canal can grow boney protrusions that can alter and effect hearing

if you are thinking in the knowledge that it might be from a buildup of wax you might consider Ear Candle's found at most naturopathic store, they are relatively inexpensive and do a great job of cleaning your ears out , in order to use them you will need a partner, you lay on your side and hold the candle inserted into your ear in a vertical posture and your partner lights the end of it with a match and when it is lit and burning in a full ring as they are cone shaped your partner blows it out and lets it smolder, the way it works is the hot gases formed by the smoldering end is funneled into your ear and any hard wax deposits are melted and sucked back into the cone itself, similar to sucking a drink with a straw and takes about 20 minutes per ear

if any of this helps let me know



MistressDarkArt -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/10/2013 11:12:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

I have no idea, but it sounds like a wonderful set up for a short story. Would you mind me using it?


Please do. I would love to read it when you're done, if that's ok.



MariaB -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/10/2013 11:47:14 AM)


Great post Raijin, its nice of you to take the time to write that. Its always good to come away from a post knowing I've learnt something.



MistressDarkArt -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/10/2013 12:16:13 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Raijin

If i may , i have a few additions, <snip>


Thank you, Raijin. Wonderful detailed information, very helpful and good advice about ear buds, which I use daily for an hour or two (at low volumes). I'll try to match up the elements. The funny part is that I've NOT swum for several months due to a rotator cuff injury, and wondered if this could have affected it because I don't rinse my ears out with warm water nearly every day as I used to. Your wax theory could be very apt here though the doc couldn't see any with her otoscope (though as you know one can only see so far with that instrument).

Still wish I knew why it was only after dreaming though.

Thank you again. Lots of people and I will benefit from your post.



igor2003 -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/10/2013 12:35:48 PM)

I doubt that I have anything of note to add, but thought I'd throw out a tidbit or two that might jog your thinking on the subject into looking at it differently to find the cause.

You say that it only happens when you awaken from certain dreams. Could it be that you are falling asleep, the white noise starts, and this triggers the dreams? Do the dreams have a common theme? If my feet get chilled at night, summer or winter, I dream about snow being on the ground. The rest of me doesn't feel cold. The dream just has snow. Or if I get too warm at night I'll have angry dreams. I'll wake up and my ire will be up enough that it takes me a while to calm down enough to get back to sleep.

I used to lay on my side, prop my head up on my fist, and fall asleep that way. The knuckles of my hand would be in that little hollow area just to the side of one eye or the other. I'd wake up and be blind in whichever eye was next to the fist I was leaning on. Not a black blindness...a white blindness, and after several minutes my sight in that eye would slowly come back. I finally realized that the knuckles pressing on that hollow on the side of my face was restricting the blood flow to the optic nerve, and I was putting the optic nerve to sleep. Could something similar be happening to restrict blood flow, creating the white noise?

Anyway, I wish you luck in finding the cause!



DesFIP -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/10/2013 8:54:30 PM)

Do not do ear candling. It is potentially dangerous and rather than removing wax, it can cause a larger buildup.

Your doctor can give you a scrip for drops which will soften the wax. Use them for several days followed up by a ten minute procedure where the doctor will squirt warm water into the ear to flush the softened wax out.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/ear-candling/AN02086



MistressDarkArt -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/10/2013 10:12:11 PM)

Some people swear by ear candling, though most info I find denounces its effectiveness. In my case I don't think it or any other kind of wax removal is needed. I'm just not a waxy-ear kind of girl, and the doc didn't recommend lavaging or removal treatment.

I'm still leaning toward side-effect of sleep paralysis, though why it's manifesting NOW is still a mystery.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/10/2013 10:22:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: igor2003


I used to lay on my side, prop my head up on my fist, and fall asleep that way. The knuckles of my hand would be in that little hollow area just to the side of one eye or the other. I'd wake up and be blind in whichever eye was next to the fist I was leaning on. Not a black blindness...a white blindness, and after several minutes my sight in that eye would slowly come back. I finally realized that the knuckles pressing on that hollow on the side of my face was restricting the blood flow to the optic nerve, and I was putting the optic nerve to sleep. Could something similar be happening to restrict blood flow, creating the white noise?

Anyway, I wish you luck in finding the cause!


Hi, igor! I usually sleep on my left side, and had a similar experience with blurred vision on that side. I've started sleeping on my right side due to a shoulder problem, and now vision on that side is blurry when I wake up. It's entirely possible that changing sides is squishing something in my head that could affect what I hear. Good sleuthing, thanks! Whatever it is, is still connected to the dreaming experience and I can't explain that part of it.



MasterCaneman -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/11/2013 9:16:37 AM)

Here's another weird possibility: if you have tooth fillings or any metalwork in your head, there's an extremely distant chance you may be picking up background static? I only say this because my late mom swore she could pick up radio broadcasts when she still had her real teeth. My dad thought it was BS, but he did an experiment with a radio in the garage and found out she was picking up a distant FM station, I shit you not. When she had her teeth pulled to get dentures, the problem went away. I know it sounds like BS, but she was adamant about it and my dad proved it. The human body is basically a wet-cell battery that operates at around 400 milliwatts. Toss in some metal here and there and who knows what can happen.



MistressDarkArt -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/11/2013 11:22:15 AM)

I have 3 white gold crowns, MC. I do believe in that radio reception phenomenon. But I've had those crowns for 30 years without incident, so why now and why only after dreaming?

I haven't recalled dreams for 2 nights now, and hear only natural ambient noises when I wake up.



mnottertail -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/11/2013 11:41:33 AM)

my guess is blood and it is sort of prickling your cilia, since you are sensitizing things in that cumbucket between your ears you call a brain.

Do you notice strong smells or tastes ever when this happens?



MasterCaneman -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/11/2013 11:43:01 AM)

Well, the human brain is basically a huge collection of low-power electrical synapses in constant activity. While dreaming, it's in what's considered a 'clean-up' mode, and perhaps at that low-level state everything works in such a way that permits you to, momentarily, 'hear' the natural cosmic background noise that's all around us. That's what 'static' is, remember. All the emissions coming from everywhere in the universe is what's makes radio static and "snow" on old-school CRT screens. Maybe that's what's causing it. Who knows? And maybe, after three decades in your body, those fillings may started behaving like a simple circuit. Gold is a fabulous electrical conductor, and if the chemicals in your body are just "right", it may have done just that.



BitaTruble -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/11/2013 12:07:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt

My parents taught me how to work with dreams when I was a little girl. I have successfully used what I learned throughout my life to explore, gain information and resolve problems. Recently I've been waking up after intense dream experiences (not necessarily lucid or out-of-body) with the sound of loud static in my ears. It is not the rushing noises like a train that occur during exit to OBE but a more constant white noise like 'fine-grained' radio static (sorry, that's the best I can do to describe it). It gradually fades in a few minutes as I note my dream images on waking and the rest of my body wakes up.

It's not disturbing, but it is new and I'm curious. Anybody want to guess?



Himself guessed somatic tinnitus. You have an intense dream which raises your blood pressure changing the pressure in your drum. Upon waking, your body figures out it
was all a dream, blood pressure returns to normal fairly quickly and tinnitus subsides. According to Himself its a classic example of somatic tinnitus and he's very
surprised your audiologist didn't pick up on it.

As for ear candles - here's the quote from Himself on that issue: "Yeah, people used to use leeches, too."

Himself was CEO for AudioNovaItaly, VP of Minisom in charge of government regulations and helped the government of Portugal write and set new standards
for audiology training in dispensing and fitting techniques. He also worked at Starkey Labs as well as SonicInnovations and Electone and has been an audiologist
for 38 years.

It's unfortunate but he said there's just not a lot you can do for somatic tinnitus. It's normal and he said other than trying to relax before sleep and maybe try a hot
bath and a glass of wine there's really nothing at all to worry about.. it's just something that's irritating but not a health threat at all.

For those who clean the wax out of their ears.. you really shouldn't be doing it at all unless it's excessive or impacted. Wax naturally extrudes with the help of jaw movement
to push forward the dead skin (that's pretty much what earwax is.. dead skin cells.. ew!) The cerumen (or dead skin, wax.. whatever you want to call it) lays over
the cilia which prevent it from waving at you and making your ear itch.

You know those times when you just want to stick your finger in your ear and shake it around to scratch that itch? yep.. your wax is wrong! lol

Anyway.. that's all from Himself.. he's the audiologist in the family and that's his guess.. for what it's worth, which like most stuff that's free.. might not be worth
much to you but it made a lot of sense to me with the caveat that I've only had one year of audiology training and do not hold any sort of degree in the field.

Now, all that said, Michael suggested you go back to your audiologist and ask them if it could be somatic tinnitus so that, at the very least, you'll have an accurate
diagnosis even if there's nothing to really be done about it.

Good luck!



MistressDarkArt -> RE: White Noise In Ears After Dreaming (12/11/2013 4:38:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

Well, the human brain is basically a huge collection of low-power electrical synapses in constant activity. While dreaming, it's in what's considered a 'clean-up' mode, and perhaps at that low-level state everything works in such a way that permits you to, momentarily, 'hear' the natural cosmic background noise that's all around us. That's what 'static' is, remember. All the emissions coming from everywhere in the universe is what's makes radio static and "snow" on old-school CRT screens. Maybe that's what's causing it. Who knows? And maybe, after three decades in your body, those fillings may started behaving like a simple circuit. Gold is a fabulous electrical conductor, and if the chemicals in your body are just "right", it may have done just that.


I'll buy all of that. Thanks, MC.



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