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Lucylastic -> pushing for sanctions? (12/19/2013 12:28:22 PM)

WASHINGTON -- Sens. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) are threatening to push the United States toward war with Iran, circulating and planning to introduce a sanctions bill despite warnings that it could derail nuclear negotiations at a delicate moment.

International observers and both parties to the negotiations have repeatedly pleaded with Congress to allow the talks to unfold -- warnings that Kirk and Menendez, the chair of the Foreign Relations Committee, appear intent on ignoring. Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) is also part of the effort, though much of the final decision rests with Menendez.

"The White House doesn't want a bill, that's true. Menendez and Kirk are working on it and trying to build the list of cosponsors. Likely to be introduced soon," said a Senate Democratic aide involved in the effort.

The lawmakers are circulating a draft sanctions bill that would target the Iranian petroleum and mining industries, and set up unilateral guidelines for what would constitute compliance.

Defenders of the Menendez move say it is intended to strengthen the White House hand and that if Senate Democrats don't introduce a bill, Republican hard-liners will push a much more extreme bill with an even greater likelihood of blowing up the talks. "The goal isn't to disrupt things, it's to make Iran even more willing to make serious concessions by making them aware of what will happen if they don't," said the aide.

But the argument that the move is aimed to benefit the White House is undermined by the White House's own vehement opposition to it. It is further undercut by the lead supporter of the Menendez bill, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which has pushed hard to derail the talks and encouraged Congress to undermine the president's effort. Schumer and Menendez are close allies of AIPAC.




THoughts anyone... personally if talks are in a delicate position, this is only gonna cause problems, BUT...I honestly dont have much else to say about it, but thought I would share it as it is a "bi partisan" "bill"




Moonhead -> RE: pushing for sanctions? (12/19/2013 12:32:50 PM)

Had we heard anything in here about the suspicion that a couple of saboteurs in the (evil neutron bomb enabling) Iranian nuclear power plant were probably working for Israel?




mnottertail -> RE: pushing for sanctions? (12/19/2013 1:13:29 PM)

I expect that the Senate will not take that dogshit up, and if it were to pass there, the president would veto that motherfucker faster than Issa could fuck up a house investigation.




DesideriScuri -> RE: pushing for sanctions? (12/19/2013 6:55:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
WASHINGTON -- Sens. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) and Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) are threatening to push the United States toward war with Iran, circulating and planning to introduce a sanctions bill despite warnings that it could derail nuclear negotiations at a delicate moment.
International observers and both parties to the negotiations have repeatedly pleaded with Congress to allow the talks to unfold -- warnings that Kirk and Menendez, the chair of the Foreign Relations Committee, appear intent on ignoring. Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) is also part of the effort, though much of the final decision rests with Menendez.
"The White House doesn't want a bill, that's true. Menendez and Kirk are working on it and trying to build the list of cosponsors. Likely to be introduced soon," said a Senate Democratic aide involved in the effort.
The lawmakers are circulating a draft sanctions bill that would target the Iranian petroleum and mining industries, and set up unilateral guidelines for what would constitute compliance.
Defenders of the Menendez move say it is intended to strengthen the White House hand and that if Senate Democrats don't introduce a bill, Republican hard-liners will push a much more extreme bill with an even greater likelihood of blowing up the talks. "The goal isn't to disrupt things, it's to make Iran even more willing to make serious concessions by making them aware of what will happen if they don't," said the aide.
But the argument that the move is aimed to benefit the White House is undermined by the White House's own vehement opposition to it. It is further undercut by the lead supporter of the Menendez bill, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which has pushed hard to derail the talks and encouraged Congress to undermine the president's effort. Schumer and Menendez are close allies of AIPAC.
THoughts anyone... personally if talks are in a delicate position, this is only gonna cause problems, BUT...I honestly dont have much else to say about it, but thought I would share it as it is a "bi partisan" "bill"


Just when things were possibly going in the right direction...

Proof that both parties have fuckwits among their electeds.

Damn.




tweakabelle -> RE: pushing for sanctions? (12/20/2013 4:56:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


But the argument that the move is aimed to benefit the White House is undermined by the White House's own vehement opposition to it. It is further undercut by the lead supporter of the Menendez bill, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which has pushed hard to derail the talks and encouraged Congress to undermine the president's effort. Schumer and Menendez are close allies of AIPAC.




Israel and its agents sabotaging peace initiatives again.
Is anyone surprised?




Phydeaux -> RE: pushing for sanctions? (12/20/2013 11:46:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


But the argument that the move is aimed to benefit the White House is undermined by the White House's own vehement opposition to it. It is further undercut by the lead supporter of the Menendez bill, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which has pushed hard to derail the talks and encouraged Congress to undermine the president's effort. Schumer and Menendez are close allies of AIPAC.




Israel and its agents sabotaging peace initiatives again.
Is anyone surprised?



Actually, I was quite surprised as this effort was led by democrats. Including Schumer. Proof that money trumps ideology at least occassionally I suppose.




TheHeretic -> RE: pushing for sanctions? (12/20/2013 11:50:24 PM)

Nice to see some bi-partisanship breaking out in DC. [:)]




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