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EdBowie -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 2:05:12 AM)

I thought the views he expressed were honor and integrity? How does signing a contract, and then doing the very thing he promised not to do not come as a surprise?



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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub



My thoughts are this. If the gay community wants to be accepted and allowed to live their lives (which I absolutely support 100%) they are going to have to allow those who live THEIR lives according to what they believe to do so too. Live and let live. Nothing Phil said should be a surprise, given the views he expresses all the time. A&E has proven to be politically correct cowards by making this move. I will never watch any show on that station again, even if they reverse this decision.

And, while I will fight for the rights of my gay friends forever, the organizations that started this backlash by whining about someone having beliefs different from theirs may kiss my buttocks. I wish everyone who is associated with those organizations would get very vocal about leaving them because they discriminate. If they continue to support these organizations, they are proving that they do not want equality, they want special treatment, and that is not something I support now or ever will.

And this I put on my Facebook.

I honestly do not understand A&E suspending Phil is considered ok, because they are standing up for their beliefs but if a show suspended someone who came out as gay because of their beliefs, that would be wrong. You cannot have it both ways. I have a few gay friends who are also Facebook friends. Feel free to call me out if you feel I am wrong, on here or privately, but I gotta tell ya I am pissed as hell that a network reacted like they did because a man stated his beliefs. He did not say deny rights to anyone, he did not say kill anyone, he stated his beliefs. For what it's worth, I have watched the show a few times, but I am not a huge fan of it.




EdBowie -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 2:18:06 AM)

Oddly enough, the phenomenon is of current interest, and his life story has some larger than life moments in it. He would certainly seem to be as worthy a subject as any other actor.


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Anybody else think it is fucking hilarious that GQ was doing an interview with self-described white trash in the first place?




ThePrincessKali -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 5:09:02 AM)

According to the bible you can't mix fabrics, you can sell your daughter into slavery, and a plethora of other things we would consider to be ludacrous today. I think people who have a problem with the LGBT community and use the bible as justification are simple using it as a scapegoat for their own personal prejudice and bigotry. Just come right out and say, "I'm a hateful person and therefor I hate guys." Why hide behind the bible? If that is someones reasoning for hating gays then they should follow every single passage of the bible to the letter. If not then it's just bullshit. I personally have a problem with prejudice in any format so I agree 100% with A&E's decision. Although I don't find watching a bunch of rednecks going hunting to be amusing so it wouldn't affect me at all if they cancelled the entire God awful show.



Krondool -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 5:24:34 AM)

Okay, personally I support everyone's right to free speech. Let people be as filled with vitriol, bigotry and intolerance as they wish, so long as all they do is speak it, I don't see the problem.

That said, modern Christians have a severe problem understanding their own savior. Cast not the first stone, love the sinner, judge not lest ye be judged etc... were his teachings. This level of intolerance is only in the Old Testament, and therefore cannot be considered 'Christian'. Until these individuals stop wearing multi-blend fabrics, eating ham and lobster, start stoning their unruly children to death, and selling their daughters to their rapists for 50 shekels...well, they're just hypocrites anyway. If you want to live by Old Testament rules, you can't just pick and choose, you would have a system close to a barbaric Sharia Law. Although I would openly oppose such a group with every step, at least they would not be hypocrites, hiding behind a belief system (which they clearly don't accept), to support their own personal intolerance, bigotry, and latent homosexual tendencies.



searching4mysir -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 5:37:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Krondool

Okay, personally I support everyone's right to free speech. Let people be as filled with vitriol, bigotry and intolerance as they wish, so long as all they do is speak it, I don't see the problem.

That said, modern Christians have a severe problem understanding their own savior. Cast not the first stone, love the sinner, judge not lest ye be judged etc... were his teachings. This level of intolerance is only in the Old Testament, and therefore cannot be considered 'Christian'. Until these individuals stop wearing multi-blend fabrics, eating ham and lobster, start stoning their unruly children to death, and selling their daughters to their rapists for 50 shekels...well, they're just hypocrites anyway. If you want to live by Old Testament rules, you can't just pick and choose, you would have a system close to a barbaric Sharia Law. Although I would openly oppose such a group with every step, at least they would not be hypocrites, hiding behind a belief system (which they clearly don't accept), to support their own personal intolerance, bigotry, and latent homosexual tendencies.



Actually, he was paraphrasing the New Testament (I think Corinthians) when he lumped together male prostitutes, adulterers, gay people, thieves, etc. saying they couldn't get into heaven. He also said it was God's job to sort it all out, not his.



TheHeretic -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 6:47:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Oddly enough, the phenomenon is of current interest, and his life story has some larger than life moments in it. He would certainly seem to be as worthy a subject as any other actor.


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Anybody else think it is fucking hilarious that GQ was doing an interview with self-described white trash in the first place?





I'm going to refer you down to my signature line, Edbowie.

Also, I think the Stormfront slur you threw at Pops was total bullshit. You should apologize, lest people exercise their right to judge you by your words, in the same way the old man from the TV show is being judged by his.



mnottertail -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 7:06:31 AM)

Isn't A+E exercising their free speech by shitcanning the fuck?


What's the prob? 



pgashlie -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 7:27:16 AM)

It's not about free speech, gay rights pro or con, or religion. It's about money.

The Duck Folk are being marketed to death,before the craze burns out.. and getting well paid.

GQ magazine did wonders for their circulation by printing the article.

A&E make their money from advertising revenue. If one of the big-audience stars suddenly looks like upsetting a large proportion of the audience, advertisers will pull their accounts as fast as they can, to avoid having their branding tainted by controversy.
The network is doing damage control, to protect their revenue.



mnottertail -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 7:39:35 AM)

Well, precisely, and isnt free speech all about money anyhow?  Let the market decide and all those stupid nutsacker jingos?



sloguy02246 -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 7:53:57 AM)

FR -

For what it's worth, I found his remarks about gays offensive, but that did not surprise me very much, considering the source.
However, his statements about African-Americans being so much happier when they were slaves and share-croppers defies rational thought.



EdBowie -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 8:08:18 AM)

You need to refer yourself to a dictionary, and look up the word 'oddly'. Or try to buy a sense of humor for yourself.

On the other, you are lying. I never threw any slur at any particular person, I said that sort of rhetoric itself came from StormFront, which is correct. Are you going to apologize for misrepresenting what I said? Of course not.

And if you think I'm going to be bullied into not calling out that sort of rhetoric by your childish threat that people won't like me because of the lies you are telling about what I said, you've got a lot to learn about me.


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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ORIGINAL: EdBowie

Oddly enough, the phenomenon is of current interest, and his life story has some larger than life moments in it. He would certainly seem to be as worthy a subject as any other actor.


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Anybody else think it is fucking hilarious that GQ was doing an interview with self-described white trash in the first place?





I'm going to refer you down to my signature line, Edbowie.

Also, I think the Stormfront slur you threw at Pops was total bullshit. You should apologize, lest people exercise their right to judge you by your words, in the same way the old man from the TV show is being judged by his.




EdBowie -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 8:09:23 AM)

I was waiting for someone to notice that...
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ORIGINAL: sloguy02246

FR -

For what it's worth, I found his remarks about gays offensive, but that did not surprise me very much, considering the source.
However, his statements about African-Americans being so much happier when they were slaves and share-croppers defies rational thought.




RottenJohnny -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 10:04:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Well, precisely, and isnt free speech all about money anyhow?

And how did you come to that conclusion?



mnottertail -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 10:09:44 AM)

Experience, history.



Musicmystery -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 10:10:09 AM)

~FR~

Free speech does not mean citizens can express any views without censorship. It means they can express views without the government taking legal action against you (unless you've broken other laws in the process). It does NOT mean that other citizens can't kick your butt (metaphorically), censor you, and retaliate in policy and within their own legal rights (which include suing you for libel, defamation, damages, whatever, and then having to prove their case).

You say shit, you're going to get flack. 'Cuz everyone else has free speech too.



Apocalypso -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 2:39:04 PM)

Media networks reliant on advertising for their income are highly sensitive to their stars stirring up controversy? What a shocking revelation!

(I'd be interested to know if anyone shouting about this has ever said a word about Walmart only stocking 'clean' music).



RottenJohnny -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 2:44:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Experience, history.

Oh c'mon. That's barely an answer. Put a little effort into it.



mnottertail -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 2:46:42 PM)

Catch the wave.



jlf1961 -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 2:58:46 PM)

There are a few things I wish to address, and no one is going to like it.

First, Christianity is not the only religion to condemn homosexuality, Islam, Hindu and Judaism does as well.
Secondly, no where in the bible does it say that homosexuality is a mortal sin, at least not what I have read, but I may be wrong.
Third, homosexuality is not a choice, a mental illness or anything else.
Fourth, my daughter is bisexual, and I have accepted that, and I dont believe god is going to send her to hell.
Sex, according to the bible exists for procreation, which means that all of us that enjoy sex and are taking precautions, well you get the point.

As for this individual's right to state an opinion, yes it is protected under the first amendment, just as our right to not agree with what he stated.

A&E are also within their rights to suspend him from the show, which means that the show is pretty much over. Big Deal.

As I have said before, I have been told that as a Catholic, I am going to hell, among a bunch of other reasons. Okay, those people have their beliefs and I have mine, the term "Fuck em" applies.

As far as the statement if a Muslim made the same statements, there would not be a big fuss, I doubt that, A&E is so politically correct, they would probably have a shit fit.

Now, my question, why is this even up for discussion? I have yet to see any other Christian or Christian group get this much time except the Westboro Baptist Church.



kdsub -> RE: Free speech? (12/20/2013 3:00:02 PM)

He has the freedom to say what he did...and others have the freedom to hold him accountable according to their conscience.

Butch



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