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puckhead -> a question about some complaints (12/24/2013 7:29:59 PM)

Why is it i see a fair amount of Mistress complaining of subs on this site,but never a sub being defended.There are both good and bad on all sides,not just one or the other.Would i be wrong to think this? love to here input from everyone.thank you for your time.




Rawni -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/24/2013 8:01:47 PM)

A number of us throughout the years have defended submissive males here on the forums and in journals. However, I am not sure defended is the correct word for me. I have stated that there are good submissives out there, few and far between, but some. Submission in a male is not a weakness as some say or insist upon and when so called dominant women decide to bash them, they often get a bit of a lesson from some of us.

Not every dominant woman treats submissive men poorly. Many of us do not want worms or broken men.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/24/2013 8:10:32 PM)

If you're looking at journals on the other side, I see a just as many, if not more, subs complaining about women who didn't drop everything to cater to their fantasies as I see women complaining about self-centered do-me bottoms who think they can drop submissiveness coins into our slots until kinky sex falls out. These are the same men who are affronted when they discover they have to pay to play because they are married and cheating, emotionally stunted, or otherwise unavailable for a real relationship.

If you're talking about complaints here on the forums - and since you only have 6 posts, I'm guessing that's not the case - I very seldom see women complain about subs. When they do, it's usually for the reasons listed above. However, some of our most respected posters are submissive, so if you think there's a need for the subs to be defended, I daresay you're mistaken.

Maybe you'd like to offer up some clarification regarding where you're seeing these complaints and what they're about.




puckhead -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/24/2013 8:46:00 PM)

thank you for your input on my question. yes im newer to the boards.i do find them interesting.i do agree about the (do me)tops or bottems. it seems most of those profiles are fake in one way or another.they are just looking for entertainment.




NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/24/2013 10:07:38 PM)

There are a lot of complaining profiles, both Domme and sub, on the other/profile side of CM. I try to ignore them as I am not interested in complainers, regardless of which side of the slash they hail from. And it's true that, sometimes, someone from either side of the slash will come and complain on the boards. I've seen it myself.

Some very good submissive men post on this board and I don't see them getting bashed. The ones that do tend to get bashed are the ones who are obviously wanting a fetish-delivery system without any semblance of a relationship or mutual respect involved. In all fairness, there have been some Dommes, also, that get put on the spot. I don't think complaints are always aimed at one side or the other.

Overall, most of the posters here aren't the bashing type.

NBMG




njlauren -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/25/2013 10:30:26 AM)

As in anything, there are 'bad' subs and 'bad' dominants, and you hear the complaints because people tend to want to vent about the bad more than the good. There are abusive dom/mes, who think being dominant is a license to literally do what they want with a sub, and some of them quite honestly are abusers hiding behind being 'dominant, others forget that it is a relationship and use it to feed their narcissism...while most dominants fall in between, like the rest of us, with flaws but also many endearing traits. Some dominants simply don't understand what it means to be a dominant, and also may confuse top with dominant, not surprisingly.

Subs likewise range, part of the problem is that a lot of those claiming to be sub are not really, they love being played with, love the kink, but only for that, so getting pegged isn't about submitting, it is they enjoy it, or getting whipped is a sensory high...which is fine, but if they say they are sub and then resist control, want to be done, etc, it is going to lead to dom/mes getting frustrated. With male subs, it is even worse, because many of them go to pro dommes, then think that is what this is about, when pro dommes for the most part are the domme servicing the sub, it isn't real, I don't care if she calls the guy a sub and he her 'slave', it isn't really because of the money (basically, with some rare exceptions, a male sub paying a domme is getting what he wants, some truly sub men may get off on being controlled and doing what the domme wants totally, but they are rare IME....). Nothing wrong with pro dommes, and many of them are lifestyle (I know, I got my start in that world), but it is different..but male subs (very few female subs pay to work with a professional, don't need to, clientele is overwhelmingly male), they start that way then assume that is what serving is about....and the complains you see IMO/IME stem from their background....

Plus you also are dealing with the online world, where you get all kinds of shitty PM's from who knows who, who seem to think rules don't apply. I get all kind of messages from "doms", that if they weren't so funny would be angering (even though I am clear to say I am not looking for anyone, just social/friends), stupid messages like "U R Hot" or "Hey, babe, want to fuck me 2 nite"), I can only imagine what the dommes get......many male subs already don't understand the nature of what they are claiming, and put them online, and forget it......it was no different with 'trans' admirers, in that they fetishize trans girls, and forget all of us are human beings, whether we are someone who crossdresses for whatever reasons or are on the path to living and being the woman we believe we are, they fetishize us (thanks to porn in large part), and it is the same thing, you see bad behavior even from guys who probably are nice, decent people....there were admirers I met who didn't fit that mold either, kind, considerate guys who even if they simply were looking for someone to have sex with, a quick hookup, were decent enough to realize the person on the other end was a person with feelings, too:). So if you see the negativity, it is because the dommes involved probably have faced a lot of jerks, liars and otherwise bad actors, hence their comments and such...and given the nature of this world, it doesn't surprise me that negatives often seem to outweigh the positive:). Heck, ever read reviews on Amazon, when someone gives a product 0 stars because UPS fouled up delivering it?




MistressDarkArt -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/25/2013 8:30:14 PM)

OP, read my journal entries. You'll find nothing but affection and respect for my partners there.




DarkSteven -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/26/2013 6:31:23 AM)

I don't think of it as Dom/sub as much as I do male/female.

Generally speaking, the complaints against the men are that they use manners that wouldn't be acceptable offline, and open with talk about kink and sex right away.

The complaints about women generally are that they don't respond when written to, are not real subs/slaves/Dommes because they don't act like women do in porn, or in the case of finDommes, that they exist at all.




humble75 -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/26/2013 7:51:36 AM)

If we all focus more on the good, and try to be a part of it even, all those problems would go away :). Just be nice.




NullHypothesis -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/28/2013 7:33:20 AM)

@ Rawni ...."Submission in a male is not a weakness" .... Thank you. I'm a 6'2" 215# retired military man who was in charge of 300+ Sailors and Marines, but can melt into a puddle of submission at the touch of a Dominant woman.




LeatherBentOne51 -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/28/2013 1:41:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: NullHypothesis

@ Rawni ...."Submission in a male is not a weakness" .... Thank you. I'm a 6'2" 215# retired military man who was in charge of 300+ Sailors and Marines, but can melt into a puddle of submission at the touch of a Dominant woman.




You may want to read her post again. I think you have jumped the gun here.




humblegrateful -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/28/2013 8:34:33 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: puckhead

Why is it i see a fair amount of Mistress complaining of subs on this site,but never a sub being defended.There are both good and bad on all sides,not just one or the other.Would i be wrong to think this? love to here input from everyone.thank you for your time.


It's hard to respond to such a grand sweeping generalization in a meaningful way, other than to say I haven't seen what you have seen in the slightest.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/28/2013 9:46:19 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: humble75

If we all focus more on the good, and try to be a part of it even, all those problems would go away :). Just be nice.


I like this. Good on you, humble.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/29/2013 8:12:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: puckhead

Why is it i see a fair amount of Mistress complaining of subs on this site,but never a sub being defended.There are both good and bad on all sides,not just one or the other.Would i be wrong to think this? love to here input from everyone.thank you for your time.


Well, you should just jump right up there...defend why Valentines day is a guys worst nightmare.

Find the solutions to "what the HOLY living fuck do they want?"

(Said of course, in the kindest of ways).

(The word is "hear" by the way).

Stop complaining.

(Start listening).




Ilyrium -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/30/2013 8:58:17 PM)

I don't know the answer, but, if you see ANY complaining on my profile or journal, please let me know and I'll remove it.

To me, I like the words of, I think it was Dark Steven (but I don't remember) in another thread, which was to keep it positive at all times. I think it was in response to my very first post, wherever I had posted that (can't seem to find it now).

Anyway, I agree - but - understand if others complain.

For example, one thought line might be that, for women, they have to filter out we masculine hoards, and what better way to do that then to tell us what qualifications we don't meet? We would then remove ourselves from consideration, before even asking to be considered.

Likewise, I guess, if a male sub has been burned, once, twice, thrice, who knows how many times, they might complain about that, in the hopes that the reader would avoid such actions in the future. Dunno.

All I really know is that complaining doesn't seem productive; but, it may have its place in certain situations.




HipPoindexter -> RE: a question about some complaints (12/31/2013 6:36:42 AM)

I'll defend any sub. For a fee. I'm like Perry Mason, Ben Matlock and Arnie Becker all wrapped into one awesome package.

Hit me up.




MistressEvilfair -> RE: a question about some complaints (1/6/2014 8:29:48 PM)

I always defend a submissive if I believe or know the submissive is right. You will only see dominant people complain because subs think it is not their place to say. I always defend the one who is right, if I believe them to be in the right.

I never take sides unless necessary and if that person is being bullied, hurt or accused in anyway that is when I defend that. I have defended quite a few of my subs in the past who were wrongfully accused of idiotic things by other jealous dommes!




DarkSteven -> RE: a question about some complaints (1/6/2014 8:37:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MistressEvilfair

You will only see dominant people complain because subs think it is not their place to say.


You're new here, aren't you?




cloudboy -> RE: a question about some complaints (1/6/2014 8:47:32 PM)


It's hard to seduce a woman by complaining about her or other women....




mummyman321 -> RE: a question about some complaints (1/7/2014 9:24:55 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rawni

A number of us throughout the years have defended submissive males here on the forums and in journals. However, I am not sure defended is the correct word for me. I have stated that there are good submissives out there, few and far between, but some. Submission in a male is not a weakness as some say or insist upon and when so called dominant women decide to bash them, they often get a bit of a lesson from some of us.

Not every dominant woman treats submissive men poorly. Many of us do not want worms or broken men.


As a sub I can vouch for Rawni and other Dommes on CM have "defended" subs on this site. But generally it is not needed. We are adults after all.




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