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LittleGirlHeart -> What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/1/2014 2:20:58 PM)

you know, for people who're disabled and other wise wouldn't be able to reach their cabinets, or couldn't reach the top two and three shelves with out climbing on a chair, or some other unsafe practice?


OH OH OH I FOUND A VIDEO OF THEM, IT'S THESE! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA0CdjrFu1w

in the first part of the video when he opens a cabnit grabs the shelv an pulls it down.

Also, i am looking for resources for our home, programs that will help retrofit a home to be safer for the elderly or disabled, or guides on how to do it, because it's super unsafe, for not only me, but my mom who;s elderly, frail and does not get around well, and i am so beyond tired of hurting myself cuz simply walking up the porch i tripped on a raised foundation lip, or walking into my garage i catch my foot and go flying, or catch my achelies heel on that mettle stoop thing, and then can;t walk for weeks.



littlewonder -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/1/2014 6:29:05 PM)

walk slowly and watch where you are walking?



LittleGirlHeart -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/1/2014 7:57:50 PM)

I'll be sure to tell her that the next timeshe is carrying something and trips. im sure she'll love it if she is hurt maybe even severely and instead of preventing her injury by retrofitting things, im like well gee mom, you klutz, next tme look where you're going and walk slower! dontcha know.
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

walk slowly and watch where you are walking?





DesFIP -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/1/2014 9:31:03 PM)

You should have a state office for enforcement of American with Disabilities Act. They could be of help finding you accessible retrofits.

However, since I've retrofitted a house for my elderly father, I will tell you that it is very expensive. It will be easier to rearrange the kitchen things so that those items used frequently are put on the lower shelves.

And get rid of the stuff cluttering the cabinets that is no longer used.

The Man's a contractor and has done some accessibility changes for older customers. Every single job must be individually tailored to the problems of the people in the home. Someone who stumbles may just need hand rails on both walls. Someone else may need porches and steps ripped out and ramps put in.

Can you mix cement and apply it? Because adding that to a lip to make a slope might be the correct thing. Please don't take this as gospel since I don't know your mother and haven't seen your home.



littlewonder -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/1/2014 9:55:32 PM)

why can't you just tell her that? I trip constantly on a daily basis, even down flights of stairs. Know what Master tells me? Stop being a klutz and watch where you're walking.

And if she's carrying things in her hand, why not take them from her and help her carry them? This way she can grab the rail or whatever.



DesFIP -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/1/2014 10:05:25 PM)

http://www.lowes.com/cd_Accessible+Cabinetry+Ideas_1283886011_


However, accessibility can include re-tiling the bathroom floor with tiles that are not slippery when wet. Grab bars in the bathroom to get into and out of the shower. Replacing a bathtub that's hard to get into with a shower stall with a seat in it or a tub with a wall that swings open.

Adding better lighting is always helpful.

We went through the house adding handrails everywhere first thing. Changing the rugs from small throw rugs to an area rug. Added a lot of light in the kitchen.

Accessibility is a huge industry. You need to talk to someone who has done this before and you need to be prepared to spend 10,000 minimum. Kitchen renovations go from 20,000 to 50,000. Bathrooms, 8,000 low end. If ramps are needed to eliminate steps, then you need to decide between wood and cement. Again I'd estimate between 5,000 and 10,000.

Even if you have huge home improvement skills, the specialty items needed and the sheer quantity of materials is not cheap.

Taking a home and making it safe for the elderly can require about 100,000 to do everything.



AthenaSurrenders -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 1:17:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

why can't you just tell her that? I trip constantly on a daily basis, even down flights of stairs. Know what Master tells me? Stop being a klutz and watch where you're walking.

And if she's carrying things in her hand, why not take them from her and help her carry them? This way she can grab the rail or whatever.



Elderly and disabled people with limited mobility are both more likely to fall and more likely to suffer serious consequences from that fall. I don't think LGH was being irresponsible or unreasonable by looking into ways of making her home safer. No matter how attentive and cautious you are, a small ledge or bump in the floor can be a hazard if your balance is compromised or you have difficulty lifting your feet very high.

Helping her to carry things is a no-brainer, but I'm sure her mother wants to be as independent as possible and not have LGH by her side 24/7 in case she wants to carry her plate into the next room.

Edit: LGH it looks like a brand name for those shelves is 'rev-a-shelf' so you might want to search for that.



lizi -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 2:34:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

http://www.lowes.com/cd_Accessible+Cabinetry+Ideas_1283886011_


However, accessibility can include re-tiling the bathroom floor with tiles that are not slippery when wet. Grab bars in the bathroom to get into and out of the shower. Replacing a bathtub that's hard to get into with a shower stall with a seat in it or a tub with a wall that swings open.

Adding better lighting is always helpful.

We went through the house adding handrails everywhere first thing. Changing the rugs from small throw rugs to an area rug. Added a lot of light in the kitchen.

Accessibility is a huge industry. You need to talk to someone who has done this before and you need to be prepared to spend 10,000 minimum. Kitchen renovations go from 20,000 to 50,000. Bathrooms, 8,000 low end. If ramps are needed to eliminate steps, then you need to decide between wood and cement. Again I'd estimate between 5,000 and 10,000.

Even if you have huge home improvement skills, the specialty items needed and the sheer quantity of materials is not cheap.

Taking a home and making it safe for the elderly can require about 100,000 to do everything.


We had to do a project on retrofitting an existing home for a disabled family member, and the prices Des quotes here are spot on. If you have someone to do the work that doesn't need to be paid (family member), the materials still cost a great deal. I could be wrong, I'm sure the OP will correct me if I am, it seems that she is looking for a way to get this paid for by the government or existing 'program' that would cover what she wants to have done.

If such program existed, I'm thinking it would take a good deal to qualify for it, such as documented physical disabilities- which is what is needed for all other government subsidies in this area of disability. I don't think being overweight or elderly is going to be enough and quite honestly, I've not seen anything that pays for home accessibility, it's usually on the person to pay for it.

One other thing to consider is that you have to be careful about making things easier. Safety is always a goal, but if someone doesn't actually *need* the help, it can incapacitate them further. In my job I see people who change to something easier and lose physical ability and health. A good example would be someone who was getting around with a walker or cane and goes to a wheelchair. Once someone is in a wheelchair they generally never come back out of it because they lose the musculature necessary to walk.

It's a fine line. If something is truly needed for safety, or to compensate for what a person doesn't have and will never have, that's one thing, if someone is kind of being forced to exert themselves to be able to access their environment - that could be healthier for them.



myotherself -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 3:54:06 AM)

It might be an idea for the OP to contact a charity which focusses on older people. When my parents got older and we became concerned about their safety in the home, we contacted Age Concern, who gave us a huge amount of advice in the things we should consider, but also how to access grants and benefits from charities and the government to make my parents' home safer.




kalikshama -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 5:29:33 AM)

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Also, i am looking for resources for our home, programs that will help retrofit a home to be safer for the elderly or disabled, or guides on how to do it, because it's super unsafe, for not only me, but my mom who;s elderly, frail and does not get around well, and i am so beyond tired of hurting myself cuz simply walking up the porch i tripped on a raised foundation lip, or walking into my garage i catch my foot and go flying, or catch my achelies heel on that mettle stoop thing, and then can;t walk for weeks.


Start with your local Council on Aging. My bf's parents got free services, but that may have been because his father is legally blind.

http://www.ncoa.org/improve-health/falls-prevention/
http://www.ncoa.org/improve-health/falls-prevention/debunking-the-myths-of-older.html



ShaharThorne -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 5:33:36 AM)

The Council of Aging is a good start. They might get a few charities to help out getting the place in shape for safety reasons. Also check out the United Way in the area. I heard of frat houses doing home repairs in the Shreveport area.



kalikshama -> RE: What are those cabinets with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 5:37:35 AM)

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One other thing to consider is that you have to be careful about making things easier. Safety is always a goal, but if someone doesn't actually *need* the help, it can incapacitate them further. In my job I see people who change to something easier and lose physical ability and health. A good example would be someone who was getting around with a walker or cane and goes to a wheelchair. Once someone is in a wheelchair they generally never come back out of it because they lose the musculature necessary to walk.


I don't think this is necessarily relevant to the OP, but absolutely relevant to my man's mother, who is using more aids and getting weaker, and not doing her strengthening exercises. He reminds her that her being able to stay in her house is contingent upon her being able to get around, which she acknowledges, but doesn't follow up on. I'll remind him to follow up about having the visiting nurse (?) come in regularly to help her get on an exercise schedule.

This is a free service that the social worker at her local hospital hooked her up with that fell by the wayside.



LittleGirlHeart -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 8:31:42 AM)

because its not being a klutz, it's an honest saftey hazard to have lips in the walk way and steps she can't manage to good. why shouldn't either, I or my dad get the shit he made unsafe by not finishing it fixed.

We have no rails.
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

why can't you just tell her that? I trip constantly on a daily basis, even down flights of stairs. Know what Master tells me? Stop being a klutz and watch where you're walking.

And if she's carrying things in her hand, why not take them from her and help her carry them? This way she can grab the rail or whatever.





LittleGirlHeart -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 8:33:51 AM)

Thank you. a friend in the Uk sent me a link to see if it was what i was looking for only in ca, and there are programs in the UK that help elderly get grants to redo saftey concerns, so there's maybe stuff like that here, i'll google grants and stuff.
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ORIGINAL: myotherself

It might be an idea for the OP to contact a charity which focusses on older people. When my parents got older and we became concerned about their safety in the home, we contacted Age Concern, who gave us a huge amount of advice in the things we should consider, but also how to access grants and benefits from charities and the government to make my parents' home safer.






MAINEiacMISTRESS -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 8:48:32 AM)

I don't need special cabinets with articulated shelves. Every time I open a cabinet door everything comes tumbling down to My level automatically.

Of course, sometimes I don't feel in the mood for SALT or a box of BIRTHDAY CANDLES in My coffee, so it's not a perfect system yet.



AthenaSurrenders -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 9:25:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS

I don't need special cabinets with articulated shelves. Every time I open a cabinet door everything comes tumbling down to My level automatically.

Of course, sometimes I don't feel in the mood for SALT or a box of BIRTHDAY CANDLES in My coffee, so it's not a perfect system yet.


Seems like you could fix that by just leaving things where they fall instead of putting it back in the cupboard. With every item you own on display on the counters and floor you will also save time opening doors.



LittleGirlHeart -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 10:09:30 AM)

I loled in real life at that!


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ORIGINAL: MAINEiacMISTRESS

I don't need special cabinets with articulated shelves. Every time I open a cabinet door everything comes tumbling down to My level automatically.

Of course, sometimes I don't feel in the mood for SALT or a box of BIRTHDAY CANDLES in My coffee, so it's not a perfect system yet.




servantforuse -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 10:28:14 AM)

Try to grab all the free stuff you can. Just remember, what is free to you, someone else is paying for.



LittleGirlHeart -> RE: What are those cabnits with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 10:30:25 AM)

our kitchen is so tiny, that there's not a ton of free kitchen space, but i could stage a coupe and take one cabnit that's largely wasted and say if you truely wish to support me oin my efforts of me to be able to function the way i need to, and cook and make my way around, this is my cabinit to keep as i need it now, the rest, you can make as un user friendly as you like:P



lizi -> RE: What are those cabinets with pull down and spring load back arms in them called (1/2/2014 5:35:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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One other thing to consider is that you have to be careful about making things easier. Safety is always a goal, but if someone doesn't actually *need* the help, it can incapacitate them further. In my job I see people who change to something easier and lose physical ability and health. A good example would be someone who was getting around with a walker or cane and goes to a wheelchair. Once someone is in a wheelchair they generally never come back out of it because they lose the musculature necessary to walk.


I don't think this is necessarily relevant to the OP, but absolutely relevant to my man's mother, who is using more aids and getting weaker, and not doing her strengthening exercises. He reminds her that her being able to stay in her house is contingent upon her being able to get around, which she acknowledges, but doesn't follow up on. I'll remind him to follow up about having the visiting nurse (?) come in regularly to help her get on an exercise schedule.

This is a free service that the social worker at her local hospital hooked her up with that fell by the wayside.


You may be surprised at how much this is related to the OP. If you're talking about a population that doesn't get much exercise, or is losing their abilities due to age or a physical problem, then a small link in the chain that is different, or suddenly nonexistent, can start a downward spiral. It happens, it's not rare.

Let's pretend that the OP's mother gets the new kitchen cabinets that caught the OP's eye- these bring all things stored in them down to eye level with little effort. So now instead of having Mom reach overhead several times a day and exercising her shoulder, using her ankle muscles to balance, using her neck muscles to look up, and even using her abdominal muscles to stabilize her arms to reach, she's instead not doing these things now with the new cabinets. She may definitely lose range of motion in many places, strength, and balance. I've seen it happen with people that I treat- its not a theory, and it's related to the most mundane things you can imagine.

Btw, what are strengthening exercises? They're eerily similar to reaching in cabinets, wiping our butts, carrying groceries, putting on a coat, cleaning the tub, or other activities of daily life. If we make our daily activities easier or non existent, it can certainly affect our physical self at any stage of life, but the ones who are sedentary or elderly would be most affected because many times they don't do much physical activity outside of what they have to do for daily life.

If something is needed for safety then it is warranted; if it can be done safely the 'hard' way with a bit more time and physical exertion, then it probably shouldn't be made easier when it's for someone who needs to keep the abilities that they have. Even I try to keep doing things the hard way. When I get dressed, I treat that as an opportunity to exercise my balance by standing on one leg instead of sitting down to put pants and underwear on- that's twice a day that I get the practice. 2 x/day more than if I were to sit. If I were truly losing my ability to do this, then I would be safe and sit. When I come down the stairs I don't hold onto the rail, I want to use the balance mechanisms that i have. I put things in my high kitchen cabinets that I use often, just so I have to go up to get them. I keep the cat food in a low cabinet so I have to squat down. I make daily obstacles for myself.

These are things I already do, so they're safe and I can do them. I wouldn't start doing things that I am not used to if I were physically fragile, but then I would concentrate on keeping doing the things that I'm already doing in order to keep the physical ability associated with it.



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