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jlf1961 -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 8:33:07 AM)

You know they sell fire starting kits with chunks of magnesium in them.

I have an emergency kit in my truck, which is just to get me and my family to my other property. There I have about 6 to 8 months of various supplies stored.

Here at the house, I am working on getting a combination wind and solar power system to take the full load of the house in the event of a power outage, and my other property is completely off grid. The wells on the property have wind powered pumps and there are two artesian springs on the property as well, not to mention deer, wild pigs and some game birds.




MasterCaneman -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 9:51:28 AM)

I live in a split-level, so my preps are different. I have a solar panel/charger kit I keep stashed to re-up a combo jump-starter/power supply to back up my wee generator, there's a capped well in the backyard that's only about twelve feet down (and clean, I had it tested) I can reach with a simple siphon pump, and I keep a goodly stock of canned and dried stuff here as well as a backup cache at my friend's property about 60 miles from here.

Back to home-made stuff: If you still have paper egg cartons*, take leftover wax (from whatever activities you'd used it for [;)]), combine it in a little saucepan with a pour spout, melt it down, and stick a tuft of dryer lint or a cotton ball in the center. Fill each about half full and try to soak as much of the paper as you can. Separate, and if you need a firestarter or even a fuel source for a camping stove, just crack the wax over the lint/cotton, pull up a few strands and light. You can also light the edges for a bigger flame, but one or two (depending on wind and altitude) should bring a quart of water to a boil in about ten minutes before they burn out.

*Don't try this with styofoam. It doesn't work.




Ollieboomboom -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 10:05:20 AM)

Thank you Sir! Appreciate this.

dovie~




Ollieboomboom -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 10:19:00 AM)

I currently live in the city where hurricanes are the norm. I have a survival kit of sorts, but am interested in what others have. Besides weaponry, I look at whether I could survive 3 months without public utilities etc. Weapons are surely needed as other folks are not as well prepared and they will be a coming for your food and water. HA!

On the other hand, I used to live in Seattle and still keep my car stocked as if I had to survive 3 weeks without assistance in the snow and cold.

dovie




MasterCaneman -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 10:52:07 AM)

One thing I've noticed on any 'survival gear' thread is that folks tend to avoid the subject of sanitation. It's as if we forget we have to eliminate body wastes and the trash we create in the everyday act of living. Here's where it's gonna get a little weird, but I'm sure this crowd might appreciate it.

Okay, all the utilities are out, that means sewage as well, aside from gravity systems, but they all need running water at some point to work. It's easy enough for us guys to water the weeds, but if you're a lady or gotta go #2, what do you do? Sure, you can use the old pot by dumping it with 'grey' water, but eventually the system will back up.

Plan "B" goes into play. You either get one of those portable commodes (essentially a toilet seat on a lawn chair) that stands over a five-gallon bucket, one of those stubby 'composting' toilets that are sold in the camping section, or you make one out of an old seat and some cabinet door latch springs and a five-gallon bucket. Mark a radius on the bottom of the seat, affix the latch springs to it with shallow-depth screws, and voila! It snaps on and off without much disturbance and it's in a container with a good lid when you have to take it away to drain and clean it. They're cheap, too, so you can have a bunch set aside just for that purpose.

Or conversely, if one just 'happens' to have some specialized fun furniture such as a queening bench, you can make that do double-duty in the same role. I've lost the web address, but there was a site that had numerous patterns for benches and similar artifacts that would serve just as well. (that was the weird part, btw).

What do you do with it after the fact? Well, you could stock up on the various fluids and concoctions available for the camping models, over-the-counter materials like lime, or create a compost/leach bed away from your site to deal with the solid wastes. If you go that route, while they say not to use human or pet waste in compost piles (due to all the wonderful drugs and chemicals in our systems), 'after the fact' means you do what you have to. I only suggest composting to deal with the other organic (or 'green manures') matter that seems to attend every natural disaster, such as fallen trees, leaves, dead vegetation. It also provides a way to remove food scraps in a way that won't attract vermin.

I'd recommend straight boiling water for disinfection, because chemicals will be in short supply over time and add to the miasma, while boiling reduces wood scrap from trees and structures. Nothing fancy, a good firepit with strategic rocks or other fireproof stand points for a vessel will do for most people. It'll look just punk enough to make any potential marauders pass you by, thinking you're just scraping along if you don't have fancy gear in the yard. I plan on looking as sad-sack and crazy as possible should something like that come to pass.

ETA: I forgot to mention soap. It's cheap, stock it deep. Doesn't matter if it's dishwashing liquid, hand soap, shampoo, laundry soap. Dollar stores are your friend. And there's enough 'soaper's ' on this board who can tell you what you need to make your own, if need be. Personal hygiene is as important as food, water, and ammo in my opinion.




Ollieboomboom -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 11:00:25 AM)

Great post!




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 11:46:41 AM)

The real reason not to use human or pet waste in a compost pile is far more prosaic: disease. This is the largest problem during emergencies. Antibiotics and antibacterials are also very good items to have handy.

Other than that one point I think that was a very good post.




crazyml -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 1:55:35 PM)

... filter the water was well as boiling it.




MercTech -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 5:27:00 PM)

The U.S. has prohibited sale of foodstuffs for human consumption fertilized by "nightsoil" since the USDA was formed in 1934. Other countries have moved into the modern age and require sewage effluent to be treated to kill bacteria before being used to fertilize food crops. (live steam works quite well) It always galled me a bit when, returning from Japan, we had to toss all the fresh fruit and veggies overboard as they were not allowed in the U.S. Compost that is dried and roasted will not transmit disease to food crops. That is what is done with the bagged manure you buy at the garden store.

Home scale water purification is easiest done with a slow drip sand filter. The idea is to have a probiotic culture in the sand that will neutralize common pathogens. There are three things to consider: chemical toxins, bacteria, and parasites. Most parasites and bacteria will be killed with exposure to 165F for 20 minutes. (spec on a de-salinizer plant for potable water). Some bacteria, such as Giardia, need longer heat or chemical treatment OR filtration as they can be filtered out. Trust me, giardia is no fun. And that pure looking stream of glacial run off just might not be pure. The bottom line is to find out what the hazards are and deal with them as appropriate.

For canteen or jerrycan lots of drinking water treatment tablets are good in the short run. Add UV sterilization if you have the gadget. A rain barrel would be a godsend, but keep a lid on it so mosquitoes don't turn it into a breeding ground. In the days before municipal water treatment; rain barrels were used for wash water as it was soft water with low mineral content. In other countries, and in the U.S. prior to WWII, the gutters of a house would be directed to a cistern which was the source of fresh water for the home. There are a lot of videos on youtube where you can see instruction on making a 5 gallon bucket into a small water treatment system.

Soap is a great idea. Forget the waterless hand sterilizers unless you prefer to use them as a fire starter. (waterless hand sterilizer is jellied rubbing alchohol) The CDC and WHO both have done studies that show the hand sterilizers are only 30% as effective as plain soap and water.

TP, toilet paper, bog roll, by whatever name you call it. Much handier than looking for burdock leaves or boiling old corn cobs so they don't scratch your hemorrhoids. During the renaissance, a person would have a small container with a cleaning cloth in it for use in public toilets. The container would be turned over to servants on returning home for cleaning. The average fellow used the hands then washed them some time later at the public fountain. <blecch>

I've digressed and rambled enough for the night.... keep the ideas coming




MasterCaneman -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 8:40:37 PM)

My point about composting is, if done properly and with adequate amounts of neutral biomass (leaves, branches, food waste), it decomposes naturally with little odor. And I would be the last to use in on my vegetable garden, but nothing says it can't be used to shore up other plant life that doesn't go into the food chain. Still, others have raised valid points about it, so I'm gonna do some deeper research on the matter.




jlf1961 -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 8:55:50 PM)

if you can afford it, the best and first thing to do is set up a place to bug out to. It should be off grid, with a good supply of fresh water, and a decent shelter with stores of supplies.

Then you need a vehicle that can get you there.




MasterCaneman -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 10:35:50 PM)

In the absence of that, I've gotten the okay to cache some stuff on a friend's property out in the sticks. Not perfect, but better than nothing. We're pretty tight, but I know nothings written in stone, but it's something. Just the basics, really, and I keep some camping gear out there for occasional use. He offered to let me winter over there to scare away the kids who go looking for places to party in that neck of the woods, but the commute can be rough. It's a wooded lot on a hillside, with a couple small ponds and a fishing stream nearby.




Dvr22999874 -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 10:45:56 PM)

Do any of you vets remember a guy named 'David Hackworth' He was some kind of colonel-hero in Nam. The mad colonel in 'Apocalyse Now' was modelled on him.
He was sidelined because they thought he had lost the plot and was given a job in the Pentagon apparantly, where he went through all the files and found that the safest place in the event of the big shit-fight happening was in Australia, specifically in Northern NSW, where he built himself a very large and well-founded bunker. I would have to be still there but I have been frustrated in my attemtps to track it down. His widow, Peta, is still alive but she says she knows nothing.
Come to Australia and join the hunt




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 10:48:09 PM)

There is one thing that hasn't been mentioned at all. And it's even more important than Skin-So-Soft.

Mindset. You need to know that the SHHTF and be willing to deal with it.

I grew up on a farm and was a Scout; I can take care of myself in the Jersey Pine Barrens with nothing but a pocket knife and a single match. But I have commitments. I'd need to look after at least six kids in multiple states. Which means those vehicles and firearms that most people were ignoring would be rather important.

Do you have the mindset to get through any barrier, even if that barrier is wearing a uniform, to take care of the people depending on you?

I don't think that in my lifetime I will ever have to stand up to a uniformed American soldier. There won't be a nuclear disaster, there won't be a zombie apacolypse and I'm pretty sure Miley Cyrus has ended her music career. Am I prepared for it? Yes. I don't think it's going to happen though. A couple weeks of water and food and you should be fine.




MasterCaneman -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 10:55:49 PM)

David Hackworth. And no thank you. Apparently, most things in Australia seem intent on killing people or so it seems. And I have issues when I go rabbit-hunting, much less secret-bunker-hunting. Maybe someday I'll see that place, but only as a tourist.




popeye1250 -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 11:11:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB

Having lived on a yacht we had to have an emergency kit. That kit was in a grab case by the door and opposite rail that held the life raft valise.

It contained: Fresh water, water purification tablets, medical and trauma kit, vacuum packed food, Mobile VHF and spare batteries, flares, survival blankets, whistle, torch, needle thread, knife, fishing equipment. When we were on a big sail it also contained our boat documents, insurance papers and passport.


Maria, you had to live on a yacht?
That must have been unbearable!




ResidentSadist -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 11:17:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MalcolmNathaniel

"Waterproof duct tape yacht."

Prove it.

Mythbusters




Dvr22999874 -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 11:25:18 PM)

you know Hackworth ? I only knew him in his later years when he owned a restaurant with Peta and was planning the bunker. I know it is someplace around Nimbin but that is rugged country with some very strange folk around there




MalcolmNathaniel -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 11:28:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MasterCaneman

David Hackworth. And no thank you. Apparently, most things in Australia seem intent on killing people or so it seems. And I have issues when I go rabbit-hunting, much less secret-bunker-hunting. Maybe someday I'll see that place, but only as a tourist.


Go to Aussie and everything I posted goes out the window. EVEN THEIR FUCKING BEAVERS ARE POISONOUS!

If I ever go Down Under I am going loaded for bear. Not the little black bears we have here on the East Coast but the really big fuckers with white fur. And I'm carrying as much ammo as I can possibly muster. Here we've got a couple of poisonous snakes and maybe some gators. Australia is fuckin' scary mate!

Four out of the five most poisonous snakes, 9 out of ten of the most poisonous spiders, and great white sharks. The most dangerous critter in that place is the huntsman spider which ain't even got venom. And did I mention that their beavers (they call them platypus) are venomous?

I haven't even talked about the giant rabbits that will kick you to death or the giant alligators (called crocs down there mate.)

Yep, I am quite happy here in the good ol' US of A.

*wanders off muttering about ten inch wide spiders that jump at at you from under the dashboard and make you crash your car*




Dvr22999874 -> RE: Home made emergency/survival equipment (1/4/2014 11:35:10 PM)

Don't forget those little redback spiders................you will need a VERY ghood friend to suck out the poison where they bite you.
We are said to have 13 of the 11 most venemous snakes in the world and they curl up and die if they bite our politicians.
We even have toads that are so poisonous they have no natural enemies. They kill everything that tries to eat them




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