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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/7/2014 10:38:40 AM   
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For all the big noting of Marsailles as a crime infested gang ruled city, the actual murder rates (according to the BBC) there are:
*up to Oct 13 2013; 15
* 2012: 24
* 2011 : 20
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24380941

These figures appear to be for all murders, not just organised crime or drug related murders. I imagine these figures are petty low compared to many US cities. But hey, who ever let the facts get in the way of a bit of Muslim-bashing?


That's total murders? For the whole city? That is pretty low compared with a lot of US cities. Chicago had the highest number of murders in the US last year, at 500.

And Chicago is large enough that though the gross numbers are larger the murder RATE is lower


Marseille has 850000 people so the rate for 2012 was 24/8.5= 2.8 Chicago's homicide rate in 2013 was 18.5

just as a cruiosity, there are 3 cities with more than 250000 people safer than marseille in USA and are Henderson Nevada, Lincoln Nebraska and Plano Texas

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/7/2014 10:49:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Aren't all three 600,000 population shy of providing a decent comparison with a population of a quarter million, though?
Cities with a population of 850,000+ and lower murder rates would be more useful as a yard stick.

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/7/2014 11:03:24 AM   
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Aren't all three 600,000 population shy of providing a decent comparison with a population of a quarter million, though?
Cities with a population of 850,000+ and lower murder rates would be more useful as a yard stick.


I don't understand what you ask, BamaD said the rate was lower I did the clculus and it was higher, than I wrote the tree cities that had a lower rate. If you wanted to compare with US cities with a population between 700,000 and 1,000,000 they are fort worth 5.7, charlotte 6.4, san francisco 8.4, austin 3.7, indianapolis 11.6, jacksonville 11.1, san jose 4.6... there is also detroit 54.6.

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/7/2014 11:49:11 AM   
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Marseille has 850000 people so the rate for 2012 was 24/8.5= 2.8 Chicago's homicide rate in 2013 was 18.5

just as a cruiosity, there are 3 cities with more than 250000 people safer than marseille in USA and are Henderson Nevada, Lincoln Nebraska and Plano Texas

Memphis has about 700,000 people and in 2009 had 132 murders.

OMG, it's the Southern Baptists.

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/7/2014 12:18:46 PM   
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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/7/2014 4:07:44 PM   
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Except that the problem grows as the Islamic population grows.
Thus French city becomes most dangerous in nation as Christian population drops to 62% would be a more accurate tweaking.


No it fucking doesnt, the problem grows as more people get hooked on drugs in France, Marseilles is the gateway.

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/7/2014 4:08:45 PM   
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And you'll say that again and again and again won't you? Are you going to ask americans who dislike christians if they know any christians too? Think not, your argument is as old as your train of thought. Prehistoric stuck under a rock.


As an Islamohobe yourself, I didnt expect any less of a post. Anyhow, thanks for the much valued input.

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/7/2014 4:23:19 PM   
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And Chicago is large enough that though the gross numbers are larger the murder RATE is lower


I know he has me blocked but If he means lower than Marseilles murder rate, his maths needs double checking.

Chigagos population isnt ten times that of Marseille, yet the number of murders is close to tenfold.

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/7/2014 4:45:13 PM   
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For all the big noting of Marsailles as a crime infested gang ruled city, the actual murder rates (according to the BBC) there are:
*up to Oct 13 2013; 15
* 2012: 24
* 2011 : 20
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24380941

These figures appear to be for all murders, not just organised crime or drug related murders. I imagine these figures are petty low compared to many US cities. But hey, who ever let the facts get in the way of a bit of Muslim-bashing?


That's total murders? For the whole city? That is pretty low compared with a lot of US cities. Chicago had the highest number of murders in the US last year, at 500.

And Chicago is large enough that though the gross numbers are larger the murder RATE is lower


Marseille has 850000 people so the rate for 2012 was 24/8.5= 2.8 Chicago's homicide rate in 2013 was 18.5

just as a cruiosity, there are 3 cities with more than 250000 people safer than marseille in USA and are Henderson Nevada, Lincoln Nebraska and Plano Texas

Sorry misread the original

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/8/2014 6:29:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		If Marseille is so bad because of muslim immigrants then why is Dearborn Michigan so safe? I don't have the exact numbers but I think it's way above 40%.

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/8/2014 6:40:48 AM   
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Funny, how its ok to be a catholic hater - but not an Islamic hater.



Here in P & R you can slam just about any religion but islam and it's all good. Catholics tend to be the favorite but mormons are also a common target. That's where we get the phrase "magic underpants" from. Now silly me thought it was a depends joke but it turns out the mormons where an undergarment for religious reasons and that's where it comes from. It makes me wonder what cutesy little name they have for the head gear muslims wear but I notice they don't use that one around here so I might never know.

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/8/2014 6:47:20 AM   
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Funny, how its ok to be a catholic hater - but not an Islamic hater.





Who said I hated Catholics?

I was simply pointing out that most of the Cocaine Cowboys of the 80's in Miami were Cuban and Columbian and primarily Catholic. Pure correlation.

They murdered people in the streets to eliminate the competition. They imported the drugs that poisoned our youth.


I was simply using an example of how ridiculous it is to blame a religion for the behavior of a few dozen (or in the case of Miami a few thousand ) adherents and you fell for it hook line and sinker.


I don't think you were slamming catholics in your post but I have seen it several times in this forum. That was were my reply came from.

As to the topic of the OP, I think being a port city has more to do with it than anything else and Miami is a fine example. Now if we could just come up with an excuse for Detroit.

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/9/2014 3:56:36 PM   
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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/9/2014 4:21:58 PM   
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Funny, how its ok to be a catholic hater - but not an Islamic hater.



Here in P & R you can slam just about any religion but islam and it's all good. Catholics tend to be the favorite but mormons are also a common target. That's where we get the phrase "magic underpants" from. Now silly me thought it was a depends joke but it turns out the mormons where an undergarment for religious reasons and that's where it comes from. It makes me wonder what cutesy little name they have for the head gear muslims wear but I notice they don't use that one around here so I might never know.


This is not hating on Catholics:

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Sounds like Miami in the 80's.

Of course, there were no muslims involved. the vast majority of the murderers/traffickers were Catholic.


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Who said I hated Catholics?

I was simply pointing out that most of the Cocaine Cowboys of the 80's in Miami were Cuban and Columbian and primarily Catholic. Pure correlation.
They murdered people in the streets to eliminate the competition. They imported the drugs that poisoned our youth.
I was simply using an example of how ridiculous it is to blame a religion for the of a few dozen (or in the case of Miami a few thousand ) adherents and you fell for it hook line and sinker.


Feel free to report posts along the lines of "All Catholics are murderers/drug traffickers."

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/9/2014 9:05:04 PM   
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Aren't all three 600,000 population shy of providing a decent comparison with a population of a quarter million, though?
Cities with a population of 850,000+ and lower murder rates would be more useful as a yard stick.


According to Wikipedia, there are no American cities with a population over 850k with a murder rate lower than Marseilles. None. The closest is San Diego, which has about a 50% higher murder rate (3.5 per 100,000 residents). The highest is Philly, with a murder rate of 21.1 per 100,000 residents, almost 9x the rate of Marseilles.

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/10/2014 12:45:32 AM   
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The flame in this thread starts with the caption, than the article reported shows a lot of ignorance and just connect two statistics without any effort to investigate the real reasons.

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/11/2014 12:43:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Funny, how its ok to be a catholic hater - but not an Islamic hater.



Here in P & R you can slam just about any religion but islam and it's all good. Catholics tend to be the favorite but mormons are also a common target. That's where we get the phrase "magic underpants" from. Now silly me thought it was a depends joke but it turns out the mormons where an undergarment for religious reasons and that's where it comes from. It makes me wonder what cutesy little name they have for the head gear muslims wear but I notice they don't use that one around here so I might never know.


This is not hating on Catholics:

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Sounds like Miami in the 80's.

Of course, there were no muslims involved. the vast majority of the murderers/traffickers were Catholic.


See also:

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Who said I hated Catholics?

I was simply pointing out that most of the Cocaine Cowboys of the 80's in Miami were Cuban and Columbian and primarily Catholic. Pure correlation.
They murdered people in the streets to eliminate the competition. They imported the drugs that poisoned our youth.
I was simply using an example of how ridiculous it is to blame a religion for the of a few dozen (or in the case of Miami a few thousand ) adherents and you fell for it hook line and sinker.


Feel free to report posts along the lines of "All Catholics are murderers/drug traffickers."



And what about us people who are not at all "religious?"
***WE*** have to "respect" religions?
Other People's religions???

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/11/2014 12:47:45 PM   
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Aren't all three 600,000 population shy of providing a decent comparison with a population of a quarter million, though?
Cities with a population of 850,000+ and lower murder rates would be more useful as a yard stick.


According to Wikipedia, there are no American cities with a population over 850k with a murder rate lower than Marseilles. None. The closest is San Diego, which has about a 50% higher murder rate (3.5 per 100,000 residents). The highest is Philly, with a murder rate of 21.1 per 100,000 residents, almost 9x the rate of Marseilles.

So the worst city in France has a lower murder rate than any city of comparable size in the 'States?

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RE: The Caliphation of France? - 1/11/2014 1:47:58 PM   
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Aren't all three 600,000 population shy of providing a decent comparison with a population of a quarter million, though?
Cities with a population of 850,000+ and lower murder rates would be more useful as a yard stick.


According to Wikipedia, there are no American cities with a population over 850k with a murder rate lower than Marseilles. None. The closest is San Diego, which has about a 50% higher murder rate (3.5 per 100,000 residents). The highest is Philly, with a murder rate of 21.1 per 100,000 residents, almost 9x the rate of Marseilles.

So the worst city in France has a lower murder rate than any city of comparable size in the 'States?


some more pixels in the picture, as I wrote in an earlier post I always considered marseilles as a dangerouse city as it was connected to naples' criminal cartel "camorra" and it is a node for smuggling drug into our country, in 2012 (when the data in the article were taken) naples had a record in murders (62 hmicides in a city of one milion population) due to a war between two clans, I remember the situation calmed down when the governament threaten to send the army to support police, so I think that the raise in the homiceds in marseille where part of that power war, blame the catholics if you want cammorists are known to be devotees in their own way.

if you want to compare with cities in the usa with a population between 750k and 1.25M we have:

Dallas TX (1,241k) 12.4
Indianapolis IN (838k) 11.6
Jacksonville FL (976k) 11.1
San Francisco CA (820k) 8.4
Charotte NC (808k) 6.4
Naples Italy (975k) 6.3
Forth Worth TX (770k) 5.7
San Jose CA (976k) 4.6
Austin TX (832k) 3.7
Marseilles France (850k) 3.5

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