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mslave2bcollared -> for whoever (7/4/2006 8:26:49 PM)
Is the relationship, and the bond between a submissive, and the Dominate One as strong as the relationship, and the bond between a slave, and the dominate One?? Or is it not even close?

slavejali -> RE: for whoever (7/4/2006 8:31:02 PM)
Well to me, a slave through action is a submissive, so the questions don't compute for me.

Caretakr -> RE: for whoever (7/4/2006 8:33:42 PM)
This lacks clarity ,so I'll just give my personal take. There are two ways that a slave gains a bond to me. Malliability, and ability. Those are my measures of worth-and I have nothing to offer the unworthy.

lanwolf -> RE: for whoever (7/4/2006 8:57:40 PM)
Ok I do not see there being any less a connection how can there be. To me sub/slave its just my definition of who I am. No matter what I call myself the bond with my Dom is strong that’s why I am there that’s why I submit to Them that’s why I want to be There’s.

sleazybutterfly -> RE: for whoever (7/4/2006 8:59:27 PM)
I would think like any other relationship, it depends on the two people that are involved. I don't think it matters if they are M/s or D/s..it's how the two connect..and even what they each one bring to the relationship. Is the married D and the married sub that meet once a month going to be as close as the M/slave that are together every day.. probably not...but that isn't because one is M/s and the other D/s..it's because of the nature and dynamic of the couple...not the labels that they wear. I am sure there are plenty of D/s couples that are close or even closer than M/s couples.. everyone is different.. and just because there is a category someone is put in..doesn't mean everyone fits in that category (hope that made sense). ~andrea

juliaoceania -> RE: for whoever (7/4/2006 9:35:25 PM)
fast reply This treads very nearly on the sub v slave debate. No one can tell what the difference between the two are as far as I have seen. The best definition is that slaves call themselves slaves and submissives call themselves submissives. It is self identification. I know I am more submissive than some slaves, and some slaves act more independent and answer for less than I do... so as to your question, it doesnt even apply to objective reality... it is like asking "Who takes marriage more seriously, blondes with blue eyes or blondes with brown eyes".

HarryVanWinkle -> RE: for whoever (7/4/2006 10:06:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mslave2bcollared Is the relationship, and the bond between a submissive, and the Dominate One as strong as the relationship, and the bond between a slave, and the dominate One?? Or is it not even close? The bond between any two people, no matter what labels they may or may not apply to themselves, depends entirely on the two people involved.

DiurnalVampire -> RE: for whoever (7/4/2006 10:11:53 PM)
My pet and I are VERY strongly bonded. He was a slave when we met, has always beena sub, and became MY pet as things progressed. The lable on someones service personality has little to do with their bonds to their Master. Just like you wouldnt wonder abuot the bond if somenoe called you Sweetie rather than honey... its just in a title... DV

slavejali -> RE: for whoever (7/4/2006 11:09:34 PM)
quote: "Who takes marriage more seriously, blondes with blue eyes or blondes with brown eyes". Blondes with blue eyes of course [:)]

worshipmoons -> RE: for whoever (7/5/2006 5:06:55 AM)
If you are looking for a closer bond with your s/s then just be that close, what title you give it doesnt mean it cant be what you want it to be. Its also more on your opinion on which is closer, IMO slaves are closer because they are always there, because not all subs are slaves kind of sinario........Anyway.....make the bond happen if that is what you want.....kind of like saying that married people are closer then couple who are not married....that is sooooo wrong...LOL....jut my two cents....wm

mTxsub4Mistress -> RE: for whoever (7/6/2006 3:06:34 PM)
Thanks E/everyone for Y/your thoughts. Just so E/everyone knows i am mslave2bcollared. So no O/one thinks i am here playing games.

juliaoceania -> RE: for whoever (7/6/2006 3:09:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavejali quote: "Who takes marriage more seriously, blondes with blue eyes or blondes with brown eyes". Blondes with blue eyes of course [:)] Again I agree with you Jali (but I am a blue eyed blonde, I may be prejudiced...lol)

gooddogbenji -> RE: for whoever (7/6/2006 3:13:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: slavejali quote: "Who takes marriage more seriously, blondes with blue eyes or blondes with brown eyes". Blondes with blue eyes of course [:)] Again I agree with you Jali (but I am a blue eyed blonde, I may be prejudiced...lol) But here's the thing - I don't take the marriage of either seriously. I consider them all prey. Yours, benji

missturbation -> RE: for whoever (7/6/2006 3:17:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mslave2bcollared Is the relationship, and the bond between a submissive, and the Dominate One as strong as the relationship, and the bond between a slave, and the dominate One?? Or is it not even close? In my personal opinion there is a difference between sub and slave. A sub has limits and can say no, a slave has no limits and cannot say no (to put it basic). A slave will do anything requested of her. In my opinion this gives a greater bond between Master and slave as the trust is greater.

juliaoceania -> RE: for whoever (7/6/2006 4:53:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation quote: ORIGINAL: mslave2bcollared Is the relationship, and the bond between a submissive, and the Dominate One as strong as the relationship, and the bond between a slave, and the dominate One?? Or is it not even close? In my personal opinion there is a difference between sub and slave. A sub has limits and can say no, a slave has no limits and cannot say no (to put it basic). A slave will do anything requested of her. In my opinion this gives a greater bond between Master and slave as the trust is greater. I have never seen a no-limits slave. If you think you have met one then ask yourself if the slave has a death limit, a dismemberment limit, a limit with commiting crimes such as murder or rape or child sexual abuse... every human being has limits.. even those calling themselves slaves

missturbation -> RE: for whoever (7/6/2006 5:16:40 PM)
With respect Julia i have answered this question several times before. Of course before i would get involved with anyone i would be aware of how far i was expected to go. There is a question of morality here rather than limits and i as any other slave/sub that i know of wud not be involved with someone who wud ask me to or commit themselves rape murder or child abuse. However once i have ascertained a lot of things then my submission is given with no limit or right to say no. To submit i would have the level of trust in someone that they would not endanger my life, or seek to hurt others. I would not whinge here or to anyone if this back fires on me. Can you honestly say that just because you have limits you are not going to be raped or murdered? It was not my intention to start a debate on slave versus sub - just that in my opinion a slave/ master relationship is closer. Hey its only my opinion among many others.

juliaoceania -> RE: for whoever (7/6/2006 5:26:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation With respect Julia i have answered this question several times before. Of course before i would get involved with anyone i would be aware of how far i was expected to go. There is a question of morality here rather than limits and i as any other slave/sub that i know of wud not be involved with someone who wud ask me to or commit themselves rape murder or child abuse. However once i have ascertained a lot of things then my submission is given with no limit or right to say no. To submit i would have the level of trust in someone that they would not endanger my life, or seek to hurt others. I would not whinge here or to anyone if this back fires on me. Can you honestly say that just because you have limits you are not going to be raped or murdered? It was not my intention to start a debate on slave versus sub - just that in my opinion a slave/ master relationship is closer. Hey its only my opinion among many others. If someone said that that they thought that submissives were better than slaves how would that sit with you? I am thinking not very well. It is just an opinion, but not one based on fact. You have no way to back up your opinion with facts because you cannot interview most slaves and submissives exhaustively to see who is more committed, more loving, more devoted, more loyal, more anything than the other. Your opinion should reflect that you think you love more deeply, committedly, more trustingly than I do.... I would say.. your wrong... you don't... and you can't prove you do... You may think that your relationship is somehow superior to other relationships because you call yourself a slave, but that is just not true... then again I do not think that BDSM relationships are inherently better, more committed, involve more trust, or are in any way shape or form superior to vanilla relationships. I do not find vanilla is comfortable to me, it does not mean my relationship paradigm is superior to a vanilla one. If you think yours is, well that is your opinion... you will find some that have some inner need to feel superior to others that embrace your view and just as many of us that do not embrace your view...Peace

LadiesBladewing -> RE: for whoever (7/6/2006 5:27:51 PM)
Opinions are just opinions, and cannot be "wrong", per se.. However, I will share from experience that I've known many individuals who presented as "submissive/dominant" rather than "owner/slave" who have had closer relationships with their alter-self (selves) than others who professed an owner/slave relationship. Whether the relationship is close or not has nothing to do with what one calls onself, and -everything- to do with the individuals involved and the depth of their relationship. We have subservient individuals in our household with whom we are as close as family, and others who are simply associates, here to learn a skill or something like... both groups are called "servants"... which makes it all the more apparent that it isn't the label, but the relationship, that makes the difference. ZWD quote: ORIGINAL: missturbation It was not my intention to start a debate on slave versus sub - just that in my opinion a slave/ master relationship is closer. Hey its only my opinion among many others.

missturbation -> RE: for whoever (7/6/2006 5:37:03 PM)
If someone said that that they thought that submissives were better than slaves how would that sit with you? I am thinking not very well. I would accept their opinion. You have no way to back up your opinion with facts because you cannot interview most slaves and submissives exhaustively to see who is more committed, more loving, more devoted, more loyal, more anything than the other. With repsect an opinion doesn't have to be backed up with fact. You may think that your relationship is somehow superior to other relationships because you call yourself a slave, but that is just not true... I respect your opinion. I would say.. your wrong... you don't... and you can't prove you do... You can't prove i don't either and i don't expect you too.

juliaoceania -> RE: for whoever (7/6/2006 5:39:59 PM)
I was taught to back up my opinions with facts... I tend to respect those who have logic to support their opinion.... pardon me for expecting you to, I will not expect that much from you again... peace

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