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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/10/2014 6:00:17 PM   
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That is a great point. The twice a month agreement came at the start of the relationship, but of course, was something I could change if I wanted. I was never that into it. It was more of a reward for him.

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/13/2014 9:53:56 PM   
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Dan Savage in an advocate for sex and for those whose needs are not being met. I love the guy, and I thought his piece was DEAD ON.

Women with low libidos can't reasonably expect strict monogamy or play the victim if their men wander. The NYT MAGAZINE had a piece about how long term monogamy kills the libido in certain women regarding their long term partners. It was kind of a disturbing read. To fix the problem, researchers were trying to develop a female Viagra drug.

It seems like the best sex in the world is probably happening between gay men. No issues with child rearing, pregnancies, and lots of testosterone.

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/13/2014 10:25:28 PM   
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quote:

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Dan Savage in an advocate for sex and for those whose needs are not being met. I love the guy, and I thought his piece was DEAD ON.

Women with low libidos can't reasonably expect strict monogamy or play the victim if their men wander. The NYT MAGAZINE had a piece about how long term monogamy kills the libido in certain women regarding their long term partners. It was kind of a disturbing read. To fix the problem, researchers were trying to develop a female Viagra drug.

It seems like the best sex in the world is probably happening between gay men. No issues with child rearing, pregnancies, and lots of testosterone.


Well, considering the bold text above, perhaps women's taking on a new partner beside their husbands would significantly boost flagging libidos. Problem solved, no pharmaceuticals needed. Each woman could choose how many she'd like to have to keep her motor running at home. I always liked the number 3.

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/13/2014 11:19:28 PM   
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Twice a month is a REWARD?

I think we have found the problem. This woman doesn't like sex. Get a new woman, problem solved.

NEXT!

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/13/2014 11:39:10 PM   
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Thank you for the advice, everyone. I really appreciate it. I will say that as I read the recent responses and re-read the earlier responses, I am surprised that most people seem to think it's a medical issue. I feel pretty good overall. I set up an appointment, though. Why not?

Maybe I am misunderstanding the concepts of service and denial and chastity. Maybe I am discounting the importance of intercourse in an F/m relationship. I assumed that it wasn't particularly important and pursuing alternatives was a perfectly reasonable choice. I am going to read up on that, too. I don't want to be unreasonable.


Well, I would ask your husband how important sex is to him. He may end up feeling a major lack of intimacy with you and I wouldn't blame him.

Sex provides that in many relationships.


You may just have to suffer through it if you care.

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/14/2014 12:47:50 AM   
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One thing that hasn't changed in the wake of Sewell's book is my advice to women with low libidos: You can have strict monogamy or you can have a low libido, ladies, but you can't have both. If monogamy is a priority, you're gonna have to put out, i.e., regular vaginal intercourse and the occasional tide-him-over handjob and/or blowjob, cheerfully given. If all you wanna do is sit there and eat chocolate, you're gonna have to turn a blind eye to lap dances and mistresses and happy endings and the return of trade, i.e., gay guys giving NSA head to straight guys.


-- Dan Savage



Well heaven knows that a gay man who studied theater and history in the Bible belt is *THE BEST GUY* to go to about this topic.

Too snarky? Meh.

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/14/2014 1:02:09 AM   
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Off topic......


Hmmmmmm.... Cave to emotional blackmail and have sex that I don't want OR accept that a lack of sex condones having/keeping a partner with no integrity and/or cheating in a monogamous relationship?

At least Dan Savage's partners know what to expect during any possible illness, time of grief, or life altering circumstance.


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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/14/2014 5:42:04 PM   
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My patients with a significantly reduced libido often miss how much trouble it's causing the relationship, regardless if they are male or female.
It's a bit like depression in that the more vehemently you deny it, the more likely that depression is affecting you.

With the loss of libido there is a concomitant loss of some amount of insight into intimate relationships. It's almost like the brain needs some desire of it's own to recognize desire in others.

I think fixing it requires a partner who helps drive the process (of seeking help), and after that it's just finding the right clinician.

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/14/2014 8:33:37 PM   
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The lack of libido could be breastfeeding, what it sounds like is you had a sex drive, but that you primarily get off on oral sex, for whatever reasons. The only thing that comes to my mind is your H, you say that you have been having vaginal sex twice a month, is he okay with that? As long as he feels what he is getting is enough, then that isn't a problem, and things will probably work out once you wean the kid and such.

Hypothetically, the only issue I could see with your 'normal' state (before the baby), would be if the F/m and the lack of vaginal sex was about some trauma that makes vaginal sex unpalatable and the F/m to make sure certain things didn't happen, but unless that is true in your case (and only you would know that, I am not saying it is or isn't true), then it simply is if your H is happy with the status quo. In many ways while we enjoy vaginal sex as a couple, we have also found we both enjoy other forms of getting off a lot, both in giving and receiving, so could be it simply is that is what you enjoy:)

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/15/2014 1:24:31 PM   
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Expecting your spouse to be fine with no sex for a short term illness, or during hospitalization or immediate grief is one thing. Expecting them to be happy at 28 being told he's never having sex again for the rest of his life is unrealistic. Unmet needs will eventually destroy relationships.

I would think that this is especially important to fix now that they have a baby. Because babies are stressful by themselves. Add unhappiness and resentment and she will be a single parent in a couple of years. Is that what she wants? Or would she prefer a two parent home where the parents are happy and loving?

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/18/2014 9:28:30 AM   
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Expecting your spouse to be fine with no sex for a short term illness, or during hospitalization or immediate grief is one thing. Expecting them to be happy at 28 being told he's never having sex again for the rest of his life is unrealistic. Unmet needs will eventually destroy relationships.

I would think that this is especially important to fix now that they have a baby. Because babies are stressful by themselves. Add unhappiness and resentment and she will be a single parent in a couple of years. Is that what she wants? Or would she prefer a two parent home where the parents are happy and loving?


I agree with you, that unless the husband doesn't want sex, or at least doesn't want vaginal sex, this could be a problem in the long run. One of the problems I have seen over the years with D/s, F/m, etc relationships is this idea that somehow it HAS to come with sexual denial, it HAS to come with the dominant sleeping with others, etc, etc.....the word HAS to me only is valid with safety issues, and with consent, the rest is up to the couple. I also have seen cases as I mentioned in my last post where the D was using their control to avoid things because of trauma in their life (and also spoke to my therapist about it, who had more than a few BD/SM folks as clients, as well as being lifestyle herself), and that concerns me as well, because it could lead to an imbalance.

I have dealt with situations with no sex, not just when our S was young, but in large part because my spouse was sexually abused as a teenager for a number of years by her F, and it not only led to problems with our sex life for a lot of the years we were together, when the shit hits the fan and the person who was abused starts working through the trauma, for the partner, well, let's just say it is the equivalent of walking across the Sahara Desert and expecting to be able to take unlimited showers.....:).

In the end it all depends on what the people want, consensuality isn't just to me saying yes, it is meaning it, too, where what they consent to is what they really want. It is very easy for a sub, for example, to say yes to something feeling like it is their 'duty' to accept the condition (like no sex) because after all that is what subs are supposed to do, there are dominants who because they want to feel like they are 'authentic' who feel even if their natural state is to be monagamous, that somehow they 'have to' have sex with others......my take on D/s is that both people need to work through what they need, that kind of like a house it is never really finished, that people grow and change, and their idea of what they need changes, too, it is why I really like the idea of people in D/s relationships who have built into it 'forced review' times, rather than saying "we can talk about issues as they occur". Having it as a recurring, scheduled thing kind of forces them to think about things and bring things up they otherwise might bury IME.

Again, if the OP simply isn't interested in vaginal sex and the H is okay with being denied, it could work, but to be honest based on what I have seen, unlike in stories I think most men faced with that kind of situation will eventually balk, that the glow of 'serving' and 'being denied because the M wants it' will tail off over time, and what may replace it is hidden resentment and such and that is when things go south, as DES said. If the OP is denying vaginal sex because of some sort of issue that makes her want to avoid it, that can be a major train wreck down the road.

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/18/2014 5:43:14 PM   
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The NYT MAGAZINE article ID'd long term monogamy as part of the problem. A stranger is more sexually exciting.

Men were actually ID'd as being more capable of being attracted to a long term partner, something that struck me as counter intuitive.

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/19/2014 8:23:09 AM   
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quote:

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The NYT MAGAZINE article ID'd long term monogamy as part of the problem. A stranger is more sexually exciting.

Men were actually ID'd as being more capable of being attracted to a long term partner, something that struck me as counter intuitive.


It is a mixed bag,while the lure of having sex with a stranger is strong, a study of women and casual sex showed that women when they do have casual sex, don't get off on it all that much, whereas men typically get off on the sex act quite a bit. It isn't that women can't have an orgasm or enjoy casual sex, it is simply that many of them don't get anywhere near what they would with a more intimate partner....I think it was in the NY Times as well. Among other things, it kind of wipes out the (generally) male written porn that shows marries women cheating because they get off on sex with other guys, have this insatiable drive to do so, etc (in other words, the men writing these stories graft male sex drive onto female sex response, where women can have sex a lot more frequently than men, and come up with the cheating slut kind of stories that are common).

The whole monogamy is not a natural state etc has some serious flaws in it (with truth as well), the answer is that while it is true that in nature genetic diversity and mating with strong males, mating with different ones, does produce from an evolutionary standpoint benefits, what that leaves out is that man is about 6 million years removed from the time when we were 'purely' animal give or take, and that homo sapien is a very, very different being than early man was....monogamy in part came out of the ability to form family units, which in turn provides a lot more nuturing and protection for the offspring....it doesn't mean that I think monogamy is the only way to go, my problem with these idiotic books is a)they are often written to sell books, as in 'wow, we are against conventional thinking, come read us' and b)are used to justify crappy behavior, mostly people cheating on each other, saying, well, that is the way we are wired....on the other hand, if open relationships or poly works for people, there is nothing wrong with that. These books on human evolution that claim were are born to 'spread our seed' are as simplistic as the views of idiots like Antonin Scalia with the whole crap about how 'marriage is the bedrock of society" bs in trying to claim same sex marriage shouldn't be allowed or gays having kids, it projects something (the fact that marriage exists) onto something else (that marriage is the reason civilization has been able to keep on), simply because they coexist (with marriage, it is not cause and effect, but rather two symptoms of the same thing....monogamous coupling coincides with human beings moving from being hunter gatherers to staying put and becoming culivatiors, which also is the roots of civilization as well.....but marriage didn't create civilization civilization didn't create marriage,they both formed out of a step in human evolution.

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 1/19/2014 6:05:55 PM   
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Everyone is assuming you are strictly monogamous. Not everyone is.

Have you considered finding a woman you like and 'forcing' your sub to service her - perhaps while blindfolded?

If he is blindfolded, he may never learn who she is, and this will prevent him from becoming attached to her.

As for jealousy, it might trigger the return of your own libido.

Note, I really don't know you well enough to tell if this is a good idea or a bad one. But you might at least consider it.

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 4/17/2014 6:23:46 PM   
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I just read through this threat. I would be curious to know how things turned out!

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 4/17/2014 7:26:15 PM   
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This is my first try on the message board.

First, a little about us... We met on this site in 2010. Married in 2011. Had a baby in late 2012. Now we're back here again in 2013. Our entire relationship has been lifestyle F/m. He's pretty service-based.

After the baby, I found that my sex drive went down quite a bit. His reward used to be intercourse twice each month. That worked well. However, I am no longer interested in that for a few reasons. I am wondering if that is too harsh. And if it isn't, what could replace it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Amanda


You'll get all kinds of advice...."post partum....it'll pass....post partum....ask your doctor if....."....eat more vegetables, exercise more, read books about the subject.....

My advice....FWIW.....

Ask your husband what would work for him.

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 4/24/2014 4:07:40 PM   
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Make sure he is attractive to you: is he doing more than his share of the housework and babycare without being reminded or complaining?
If not, why would you be attracted to him, sexually or otherwise? That's not good husband behaviour, let alone sub behaviour. Men, dom, vanilla or sub, need to be reminded that sometimes the most sexy thing they can do is take out the garbage, sort the recycling and replace the bin liner [or equivalent onerous or boring task] that proves they were thinking of you and your comfort before their own.

Figure out what he's doing or what he did that's bugging you, consciously or unconsciously, and once you define it, tell him frankly what you need and what needs to change.


And make sure you have date night in a hotel, where someone trustworthy has the baby and you can't be interrupted; you can't be sexual if either of you have an ear cocked for a whimper that's not his. And of course, ensure you're using a couple of good methods of birth control; you can't be completely at ease if you're worried about having two babies under 18 months of age!

Good luck!

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RE: Help with changing interests in F/m marriage - 4/24/2014 6:30:17 PM   
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Hon, if you want your marriage to last....fuck all the other comments.

Your husband's a perv.

He likes things a certain way.

Give him what he's asking for.

(Trust me on this).

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