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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/7/2014 10:34:14 AM   
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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/7/2014 2:44:29 PM   
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Really? You really think this was about science? This had nothing to do with "science".

They got a grant for 1.5 million dollars - put a few scientis in a an old soviet vessel, and then sold the rights to alarmists and journalists to accompany them - raising FAR more money. This entire event was a press release.


Phydeaux, no offence meant and all due respect, but you are bloody lunatic.


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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/7/2014 3:24:21 PM   
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And then they got stuck in the ice..

Yeah, the ICE that isn't supposed to exist today according to Al Algernon Gore.
Our govt. needs to start arresting and charging people in the warmer scam groups for fraud and he should be the first one doing a perp walk.

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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/7/2014 3:55:42 PM   
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Really? You really think this was about science? This had nothing to do with "science".

They got a grant for 1.5 million dollars - put a few scientis in a an old soviet vessel, and then sold the rights to alarmists and journalists to accompany them - raising FAR more money. This entire event was a press release.


Phydeaux, no offence meant and all due respect, but you are bloody lunatic.



Harsh but fair Peon...... harsh but fair., given the garbage suggestion you quoted.

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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/7/2014 3:57:08 PM   
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Yeah, the ICE that isn't supposed to exist today according to Al Algernon Gore.
Our govt. needs to start arresting and charging people in the warmer scam groups for fraud and he should be the first one doing a perp walk.


Incredible insight into how science works Pops. I am glad you are on the case.

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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/7/2014 4:28:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yet another thread with the Faux News addicts spewing venom and ignorance. Makes ya sad for the future of democracy. The founding Fathers did their best to establish a Fifth Estate to attempt education. Modern multi-media corporations seem to have co-opted that with infotainment.
For the actually curious, BBC has been following the events with some integrity. The ice is not record, or even 'normal'. The scientific excursion ship was moving through normal loose Summer ice toward the shrinking permanent ice shelf in the bay when not unknown unseasonal gale winds (onshore and strong) packed the loose ice into a temporary ice mass. The Chinese ice breaker and the second ice breaker also found the wind driven ice too thick and packed to maneuver through, the Chinese ship's helicopter removed the 50 or so scientists and eco-tourists once the winds of the gale subsided in stages to the second icebreaker that was free of the ice and they now are half way to Tasmania. The winds changing back to seasonal normal has started loosening the ice and both the science ship and the trapped icebreaker are moving to clear water if not already there.

As for global warming, the various non-US arctic countries, energy corporations and shipping factors, not having to deal with the professional propagandists paid for by the delusional Deniers/Right Wing of American politics, are moving strongly to establish national claims and corporate capabilities to the vast subsea energy and mineral resources that are becoming economically extractable and accessible to shipping with the retreat of Arctic ice cover much of the year. The US POTUS is distracted by shit like who's to blame for some minor terrorist attack and such, probably missing much of the early work necessary to protect the vital polar ecology and US rights to what practicable extraction does get worked out. No stopping what Russia does to their sovereign territory, Mankind will be cleaning up what mess they've made already for centuries.
And China wants in on the Arctic and Antarctic energy and mineral extraction. Which has to frighten any thinking person. Examine what professional biologists think about China's turning as much of SouthEast Asia as possible into their private rubber plantation mono-culture. All the ecologically educated are waiting for the inevitable plant disease or insect to crash the whole world wide rubber monoculture. Which stops most high tech machinery and transport when second rate synthetic rubber (Gotta have those O-rings and seals!) is substituted for the proper ingredients. Boeing and Airbus products don't land well on junk rubber, so there goes everyone's vacation and all the tourist travel based economies world wide? The wise might want to reprofile their investment portfolios? See the book '1493' for a rough outline of that cluster fuck awaiting the world. And a few others.
I'm trying to figure how the lunatic fringe of the US figures they are smarter and better informed by Faux News than the hard headed bastards who run the Kremlin and Exxon. Check your track record running the world to your benefit against theirs?

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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/7/2014 5:18:02 PM   
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Really? You really think this was about science? This had nothing to do with "science".

They got a grant for 1.5 million dollars - put a few scientis in a an old soviet vessel, and then sold the rights to alarmists and journalists to accompany them - raising FAR more money. This entire event was a press release.


Phydeaux, no offence meant and all due respect, but you are bloody lunatic.



Really old chap? Tell ya what. Why don't you tell me which of those facts are wrong. With sources please.

And while you're at it - why don't you tell me what science they were going to accomplish that required 10 reporters for each scientist? And why - if temperature and pressure readings were the 'accomplishment' - why this couldn't have been better accomplished with air dropped probes?

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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/7/2014 7:39:59 PM   
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Really? You really think this was about science? This had nothing to do with "science".

They got a grant for 1.5 million dollars - put a few scientis in a an old soviet vessel, and then sold the rights to alarmists and journalists to accompany them - raising FAR more money. This entire event was a press release.


Phydeaux, no offence meant and all due respect, but you are bloody lunatic.



Really old chap? Tell ya what. Why don't you tell me which of those facts are wrong. With sources please.

And while you're at it - why don't you tell me what science they were going to accomplish that required 10 reporters for each scientist? And why - if temperature and pressure readings were the 'accomplishment' - why this couldn't have been better accomplished with air dropped probes?



Your science isn't of great interest to me, I have to say, because I know that you have no expertise in it. I'm sorry, but I need to know that a climate expert has rock solid, professional experience of the subject before he or she gets past first base with me.

It's a pity that there's no obvious and catchy term to describe those who are on the flip-side of 'alarmist', Phydeaux. In the good old days, when I was studying, I read a cogent and thoughtful book that argued forcefully that there'd never be another world war. It was published in 1938. Its author lost a lot of standing thereafter, for reasons I'm sure you'll understand.

This argument about the existence, or otherwise, of human-induced climate change isn't about the pure science of it, it's about politics. The arguments about climate change aren't difficult: they can be understood by anyone whose education got beyond primary level. The problem is about the desire to understand - and politics, specifically the politics of those whose world is rocked too much by the idea of climate change - get in the way of that.

What I find a little weird is that, usually, the 'conservative' elements have the majority-opinion on their side. Re climate change, though, the opposite is true. In terms of science, and outside of the US population, at least, you deniers are the minority, the extremists and the believers in a cult - a cult of complacency. Doesn't it make you feel at least a *bit* uncomfortable that the vast majority of people disagree with you? From where do those people who are so far out on an extreme get their confidence? This I don't get.

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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/7/2014 11:17:46 PM   
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What I find a little weird is that, usually, the 'conservative' elements have the majority-opinion on their side. Re climate change, though, the opposite is true. In terms of science, and outside of the US population, at least, you deniers are the minority, the extremists and the believers in a cult - a cult of complacency. Doesn't it make you feel at least a *bit* uncomfortable that the vast majority of people disagree with you? From where do those people who are so far out on an extreme get their confidence? This I don't get.
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Thats actually a cool question.

First a comment or two.

I don't find a definition of whether people are usually conservative or progressive is the point. People are usually shaped by their experiences around the time of college. And more generally by the societal requirements.

As for - does it make me uncomfortable that a vast majority of people disagree with you?

So, I'll give you an honest answer - though I know it will come across as egotistical.
I'm used to it.
On pretty much any statistical measurement you care to mention - I placed at the extreme. Perfect SAT etc.
I'm used to seeing things that people don't see - and being in the minority.

On some things - I accept that my point of view will always be in the minority. I chose to remain celibate until 24.
So I dont' expect that my views on premarital sex will ever be the 'norm'.

I have read - conservatively - more than 10,000 pages of info on global warming. I've been following this for more than 30 years. I did experiments on solar power in elementary school.

I have when reading studies, found dozens of cases where the data has flat out been falsified.
I have in dozens and dozens of cases found that the authors twisted the data to make it appear relevant, or to prove something the data does not prove. And then these falsified data are used even further to push further falsehoods - so as 97% of climate scientists believe global warming. Absolutely garbage.

So - what would you have me do?
Ignore 30 years of study, and 10 years of college (science) education?
Follow the opinions of a journalist that has read virtually nothing, has no idea of science?

So you can say I deny AGW based on a bias against solar power (or for oil) when nothing is actually further from the truth. I would love solar energy to be a viable alternative. I will not lie for anyone, or push a belief I don't believe to be true.

And in truth, I am always interested in reading studies. For example - what is the cause - and likely impact to uplift in the Greenland crust. I am do not believe AGW because I have seen countless studies that say interesting things - fresh water here. Carbon uptake there. There isn't enough to connect the dots.

So to sum up.

I am a strong believer of truth - especially in science. I strongly want a better world for both my generation and my children - and their children. So this is why I (vehemently) proselytize the truth.

My education and training; as well as the data I have examined tell me AGW is false.

Finally, there is one part of this that frankly just offends me. In one of the early IPCC's they made the statement (paraphrasing) it must be AGW - because we can't think of anything else it might be. Could it be non=ionizing radiation; could it be waste heat; could it be solar variation. And it was clear that rather than an open mind the conclusion was dictated.

Thats not science. Its not true. And we deserve better. And frankly, it matters because we are spending billions of dollars on a pipedream. Money that could better a lot of peoples lives. Money that could go to cure cancer. I fight because it matters.

I fight here because this is where I am. Even though people that believe in AGW outnumber at least 3-1 its important that another viewpoint be heard.









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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/8/2014 3:02:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		You know, we do owe a debt of gratitude to the warmers just for their entertainment value.
Some of the unadulterated SHIT that comes out of them is priceless! It's like listening to a sociopath try to talk his way out of a parking ticket.
Imagine the excuse they'd come up with for being late for work?
"I uh,....ah,.....was late for work because uh,....ah,... when I walked out of the house to get into my car,....ah,....ah,.....and a giant came and,....ah, ...ah,.... he picked me up and,....ah,....ah,.....he put me on the roof and I couldn't get down,.......and ah,...ah,..... that's why I was late for work!"

You know, even when you catch them in a lie they lie again to cover it up, ..."those e-mails were... STOLEN!"
It's just a matter of time before psychitrists classify "global warming" as some kind of brain disease in the PDR or whatever manual they have. "Broke Dick Mountain Disease" or something.
Some type of "obsessive" syndrome. ("Fat Jimmy" who didn't bother to graduate high school and who works at the Dunkin Donuts and lives with his parents is having his "GLOBAL WARMING" "discussions" on the computer (after "War Fighters" of course) wheather YOU or ANYONE ELSE likes it or not Godammit!!!)
Next thing you know they'll all be running down to the Social Security office looking for a "Coo Coo Check" every month.


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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/8/2014 5:50:54 AM   
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Yet another thread with the Faux News addicts spewing venom and ignorance.



Well the board needs something to balance out the ones on the left who do the same thing. Why not a thread that can make people laugh. Personally I think it is funny as hell that they got stuck in the ice on a trip that was supposed to show how much the ice has decreased. Kinda like Sarah going on and on about abstinence and then having her own kid end up pregnant. Now I know a lot of posters on here found the Sarah thing ironic and it makes me wonder why they can't find the same twisted humor in this one.

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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/8/2014 8:55:37 AM   
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the fact that people see that as not being a huge difference is what is hysterical.

my gawd the ignorance from the usual suspects is getting funnier because they refuse to read anyone that can prove them wrong, LMAO. And boy are they looking as irrelevant as sarah right now
thanks for the laughs chaps:)
twisted humour, I haz it

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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/8/2014 11:58:57 AM   
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Yet another thread with the Faux News addicts spewing venom and ignorance.



Well the board needs something to balance out the ones on the left who do the same thing. Why not a thread that can make people laugh. Personally I think it is funny as hell that they got stuck in the ice on a trip that was supposed to show how much the ice has decreased. Kinda like Sarah going on and on about abstinence and then having her own kid end up pregnant. Now I know a lot of posters on here found the Sarah thing ironic and it makes me wonder why they can't find the same twisted humor in this one.


Yes but I find that most people who believe in "global warming" don't have a sense of humor.
And on top of that they voted for President Snow!
Now (that) is a bad combination if you're trying to incubate any kind of humor!
The goose stepping gloom and doomers.
"Eet is our vay or dee highvay, verschtaan zee?"

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RE: U.S. Coast Guard to the rescue. - 1/8/2014 3:44:48 PM   
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Really old chap? Tell ya what. Why don't you tell me which of those facts are wrong. With sources please.

And while you're at it - why don't you tell me what science they were going to accomplish that required 10 reporters for each scientist? And why - if temperature and pressure readings were the 'accomplishment' - why this couldn't have been better accomplished with air dropped probes?



More pertinently, why dont you tell us which one of your bullshit claims was correct, because the one about 10 reporters per scientist was bollocks.

I am guessing though, you will do your normal trick of doing nothing and/or moving the goalposts,

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