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The following are a few articles I looked at. Understand I am curious and looking for opinions not debate or expressing an opinion. I appreciate you taking the time to explore the topic. Blue http://www.collarchat.com/micons/m25.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_submission A 1985 study suggests that about 30% of participants in BDSM activities are females.[1][2] A 1995 study indicates that 89% of heterosexual females who are active in BDSM expressed a preference for a submissive-recipient role in sexual bondage, suggesting also a preference for a dominant male, and 71% of heterosexual males preferred a dominant-initiator rol
I'd have to read the studies firsthand to be able to look at the methodology in detail, although I've found some basics through a bit of digging online. I'll tackle the first two studies together as they seem to be similar in their methodology.
It's important to note that the Wiki summary of the first two studies is inaccurate. They're specifically looking at female submission within the s/m subculture. That's a very different thing and you can't necessarily extrapolate a conclusion about the prevalence of female submission in general.
On methodology, the Breslow; Evans; Langley study is based on questionnaires. There were 182 replies all together, 132 males and 50 females. They got those via advertisements in two sadomasochistic magazines, plus contacting advertisers in a third sadomasochistic contact magazine.
Some obvious questions arise about which magazines they used; are these magazines targeted more at one group of s/m practioners then others, do they have a bigger readership in some geographical areas then others, how easy are they to obtain for people outside the big cities etc. The third also has the issue that it will have got replies specifically from people looking for s/m partners. That may be a very different demographic group then those who already have partners and don't feel the need to seek out more.
The Levitt; Moser; Jameson study is more specifically focused on women. 45 women from the s/m subculture took part, of which 34 were non-prostitutes. That's harder to look at the specific methodology because the summary only suggests that this sample group was "obtained", but doesn't say how. My instinct suggests this was probably more in-depth (possibly face to face) interviews, although I could be wrong on that. That's both based on the smaller sample and the fact they seem to have gone into more detail with their data. This study then compared its data with the first one to draw its conclusions. Again, there's an issue of how representative the sample group was; were they drawn from a specific geographical area or even a specific s/m club etc. It's harder to say there, because of having less information.
A definite problem with the first study and probably with the second is the issue of self-selection bias. (That's always a major issue in the social sciences). This data has been specifically gathered from those s/m practitioners willing to take part in academic research. That could skew the results quite heavily. Especially when, as shiftyw has pointed out, male submissiveness and female dominance go against societal expectations of gendered behaviour. That means there's a real danger that people in those groups are less likely to reply or participate in this kind of research.
The third study is somewhat different and recent enough (1995) to take the Internet into account. But it is specifically, and only, a study of sexual bondage. They studied 514 messages posted to a discussion group on bondage. So that has a lot of the same issues I outlined above, in terms of questions about how representative that discussion group is of the whole, self-selection bias etc. I also don't think you can validly make conclusions about submissiveness in general from that specific a study. Note that the most common reason for bondage they found was "playful use of bondage to explore new areas of sexual pleasure" which is a very different motivation then submission.
Those are the most serious studies so needed to be dealt with in more depth. People may be glad to know the rest will be a lot shorter!
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http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/psyched/200805/why-do-women-have-erotic-rape-fantasies A recent analysis of 20 studies over the last 30 years indicates that between 31% and 57% of women have rape fantasies, and these fantasies are frequent or preferred in 9% to 17% of women. Considering that many people are ashamed to report rape fantasies, these stats are most likely lowball figures.
As ChatteParfaitt says, that's about rape fantasies, not submission. And fantasies are not necessarily tendencies, let alone actively promised. More women do have rape fantasies then men, that's pretty well established by research. But we can't really say anything more than that.
Apart from that, the author's "personal experience" isn't that useful for this kind of academic desires.
From my "personal experience" of women I've been involved with, at least 70% of the female population have tattoos. I'm pretty sure that isn't actually the case.
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http://enslaveher.wordpress.com/2013/04/01/snsd-natural-submissive-women/
Useless as a source. No citations and has the obvious intention of selling the author's book. And, in my subjective opinion on reading some of the posts, the author is the kind of moron that gives male dominance a bad name. I kinda hope someone points him in the direction of my comment. I haven't had a blustering impotent online threat for ages.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2131722/How-women-fantasize-sexually-submissive-Female-domination-desires-highlighted-TV-Girls.html
Newsweek reported that an analysis of 20 studies that were published in Psychology Today found that up to 57per cent of women entertain fantasies where they are forced to have sex.
Same study on rape fantasies I previously covered. And the mainstream media isn't generally great at covering the social sciences properly (although they're better at it then they are the hard sciences). The Daily Mail, a mid market tabloid, certainly isn't.
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http://marriedmansexlife.com/2010/08/if-women-are-naturally-submissive-dominance-doesnt-need-to-be-forced/ If Women Are Naturally Submissive, Dominance Doesn’t Need To Be Forced
Again, unhelpful source looking to sell a book. He's at least far less obnoxious then the other one though.
To conclude, note that I'm not saying that there definitely a gender imbalance in submission. However, I don't think we currently have the data to make a conclusion either way. There's simply not enough research in the area to do so.
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Excellent. Thanks for the humour, John, and welcome to CM's forums.
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